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    Fans that respect or admire Lili have my loyalty . . it should not matter the forum. But this forum is my home since 2003 . . and it shall be my forum and home. I have changed the title of this thread to a more worthy one . . I have ommit4ted the "vs." and replaced it with "and" instead. Take care to realize . . . all of you . . . that as birds of a feather stick together, so too must those that respect Lili stick together, and keep a watchful eye for the deceivers or lurkers that have either been fooled or want to fool.

    THIS FORUM is open to all those that have respect for fellow communities, and for Alizée. If one is not sure about truth, then let those get up-to-date, if really interested in facts. Rumors serve their purpose too sometimes but that's when we all have to take heed and not mix facts with assumptions and wishes. Let it also be known that THIS FORUM stands up for those fans that are being mistreated, and takes care of business when people forget to leave quietly, or come with disrespect. WE ARE PAST DRAMA. . . way beyond.

    We are all here ONLY for one purpose, and that is to enjoy the community while we take pleasure and pride in following Alizée. Visit with an open mind and discard any "overdose" of negative thoughts, preconceived. . . . Let your own minds and hearts dictate for you what you should feel and how you should act when visiting any forum. Discard what you hear, and what you have been told . . good or bad.

    Just come expecting goodness from your fellow community, and let your own conscience aid your conclusion, thereafter.I almost forgot: feel free to critique Alizée and her music, all day even. All that mods and admins ask is that you do it with respect and with sincerity. If you do not like a song, by all means tell us you hate it and why, if Lili does something that angers you or offends you, then let us know in discussion. . . tell us why you hate her hairstyle with a passion, but there is never a need to be rudely offensive and obscene, and members in the past have been. This forum is being observed . . . and that means we cannot allow obscene material or crude offensive remarks that serve no purpose in the sake of discussion or information, other than to disrupt the community, and that offend Alizée in an abusive manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    Fans that respect or admire Lili have my loyalty . . it should not matter the forum.

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    Agreed!


    http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/show...?t=7331&page=3

    But it looks like lots of people hold a grudge against AF... :/ I hope the wounds will heal one day
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    Quote Originally Posted by lapinschous View Post
    Agreed!


    http://alizeeamerica.com/forums/show...?t=7331&page=3

    But it looks like lots of people hold a grudge against AF... :/ I hope the wounds will heal one day
    We have no wounds here. Some of those banned members have done awful things about Lili behind the scenes, and now go on other forums as if they got abused by some goody-two-shoes mod. . . . it's like the story of the school children when they get in trouble and they tell their parents that it's the teachers fault.

    Those same members that are banned here and find time to complain on other forums about us, are the same members that have been obscene and offensive here, and have caused havoc and disruption that could ONLY warrant banning. So, take heed when going on other forums and you find a tiny group of people that are strangely negative about this forum ;-) TRUST that THIS FORUM will stop those that make offensive pornographic/graphic remarks about Alizée while trying to deceive others. 99% of the community here does not know just how much trouble has been caused behind the scenes by those that are now banned. Some people on this forum may even visit another forum where banned members now reside, and are fed horse shit, where they downplay what they did. . . but THIS mod has all the records saved, infraction info, posts and PMs. EVERYTHING. I'm not some kid that causes trouble, I try my best to protect this forum and it's members.

    Lastly, that a tiny minority of a couple members left due to frustrations here does not make their complaining about us on other forums a reason to suddenly accept it. Some have come here and broken the rules, ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION I have been fair and helpful to those same members . . even the banned members that now reside on AAM, I have been kind too . . some have asked me for help in their personal lives . . . and I have always been helpful.

    This forum has always been clean, from offensive remarks about Lili and any general discussions about graphic material.

    Quote Originally Posted by lapinschous View Post

    But it looks like lots of people hold a grudge against AF... :/
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    <<<<<<Originally Posted by texasguy

    I just mean that I've seen some users treated rather rudely on AF before for no reason, and not a lot of that goes on here in my opinion.


    PLAZ:
    Quoted for truth!!!>>>>>>

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    The person that said "Quoted for truth!" has been one of the most offensive members here . . to Alizée and to other members including mods and admins. And now he is on AAM with more mods and admins and Alizée, and pretends that what he did and said behind the scenes here did not happen.

    ^texasguy mentioned, "for no reason" . . . well it's nice to know that, but members on forums DO get treated rudely by other members when they argue about things . . emotions get in the way. But no mod or admin will do that, unless there is an odd slip somewhere in our armor. A couple members got offended and thought they were being treated rudely, when they started breaking forum rules NON STOP. some were innocent enough and others were breaking the rules on purpose. I assisted with kindnes and understanding, and then had to get tough when it continued.

    If that is ever a cause of rudeness, then you must take heed to observe the whole story. Anyhoot, it is all documented :-) This forum is good at doing that. Ona couple of occasions I had to go on AAM and put a stop to flase accusations being posted there from a couple members . . . some were those that got banned, and the other time was when a member hat felt he was treated rudely here started posting negatiove stuff about us and mods, so I went there are posted the documentation from posts, etc, . . . At one point when I went there to bring truth, the Admin had to stop me because it would've "embarrassed" the member and because I had gotten my point across already on the forum. TEHSE are JUST a few of the things that have been put out there that we mods have to observe where the general community has no clue about these things.

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    some people on AAM feel that we are too restrictive, but about what!? You can critique Lili, you can hate her songs and clothes and hairstyle . . and you can tell us when you are angry with her or she does stupid thing! You can do all that, but you need to observe the rules that are there to protect the forum that has been here since 2003, and to protect the community and threads from going ape shit.

    People on other forums need to be less vague when they point these restrictions out! People need to be less vague when they point out rudeness that is beyond comprehension, people need to be less vague when they point out that one forum is more free spirited and the other is not . . and what does that even mean! Have you guys seen MOST of our threads here!!!!!

    Keep in mind that A LOT of the threads started here have been copied over at AAM. Not a bad thing, but just bringing a point home . . . . and the people that say they have no "free spirit" to post here are the same ones posting on the copied threads!!!!!! This makes me laugh in a warmhearted way because I have been here for so long that I have witness and experienced EVERYTHING that can ever occur on a forum . . nothing surprises me!
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    I've been on AF before AAM was around, never visited AAM till lapinschous posted that link above... heck I even had my own forum for a while lol AA.... it was a joke at the time but a fun one none the less.

    I just could never understand the need to for 2 English forums. (There really is only enough active fans for one when you look at fan forums for other artists) People always seem to get a bee in their bonnet and make everything into a competition, really puzzles me why... you chose one forum over the other, just be happy with what ever forum you choose!!! In regards to RMJ, I've had moments when we clashed and with Mods as well but nothing that doesn't quickly past thats just life with forums... People will clash!!

    I've seen the highs and Lows of Af and sadly I don't think it will ever get as active as it once was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    . . . .
    I've seen the highs and Lows of Af and sadly I don't think it will ever get as active as it once was.
    Well we can thank LB and MF for the good ol' days, Steve. . . think what it would've been like without ML . . . yes she would still attract many fans due to her looks, but it would not be even close because the music was also a BIG part of all that. . . . I mention that to make a point about this album possibly being the most exciting since MCE . . . in terms of sound, anyway! And that may cause a surge in activity not seen since then . . . on all forums, but this one even more possibly, because it's international! I hope it works out!
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    From the years of lurking here and a member over on AAM the biggest issue that seems to rub people the wrong way is jealousy. There are certain members on both boards who are on the inside track as they say to a lot of good information and some people just can't handle that other members for example can get early release information or promo CDs. I love the fact that they can give the rest of us information that many would never see. I've seen this over the years that I've been a fan. The worst is when they have really good inside information they will never share it with anyone on the board for fear of getting criticized. I've had members over the years that have shared some really good information about Alizée that outside a select few people on a board no one else will hear about it. Did you guys know there is a very active member on one of the boards who is very good friends with one of Alizée's closest girl friends? They will never say a word of what they know is really going on in Alizée's life due to these jealousy issues and getting flat out attacked on these boards. Don't shoot the messengers because all that does is limit the amount of information that flows to the board. I can tell you over on the other board they lost a number of sources of inside information from a select group of members after a dust up a week or two ago. Now everything is carefully filtered and discussed whether to let anyone outside the group in on the information. I'm betting the same thing goes on over here with the in the know members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALS View Post
    From the years of lurking here and a member over on AAM the biggest issue that seems to rub people the wrong way is jealousy. There are certain members on both boards who are on the inside track as they say to a lot of good information and some people just can't handle that other members for example can get early release information or promo CDs. I love the fact that they can give the rest of us information that many would never see...
    that sound very interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALS View Post
    From the years of lurking here and a member over on AAM the biggest issue that seems to rub people the wrong way is jealousy. There are certain members on both boards who are on the inside track as they say to a lot of good information and some people just can't handle that other members for example can get early release information or promo CDs. I love the fact that they can give the rest of us information that many would never see. I've seen this over the years that I've been a fan. The worst is when they have really good inside information they will never share it with anyone on the board for fear of getting criticized. I've had members over the years that have shared some really good information about Alizée that outside a select few people on a board no one else will hear about it. Did you guys know there is a very active member on one of the boards who is very good friends with one of Alizée's closest girl friends? They will never say a word of what they know is really going on in Alizée's life due to these jealousy issues and getting flat out attacked on these boards. Don't shoot the messengers because all that does is limit the amount of information that flows to the board. I can tell you over on the other board they lost a number of sources of inside information from a select group of members after a dust up a week or two ago. Now everything is carefully filtered and discussed whether to let anyone outside the group in on the information. I'm betting the same thing goes on over here with the in the know members.
    Has to be the best thing i have read all week. And it is something i have noticed in my short time, not just here, but viewing forums in general. I have huge respect for those at A-Life, AlizeeArt, and other source sites i have used, but do not know the creators of. It is because of them, that we have such great resources to indulge our own personal interests in Alizee, for whatever reason we may follow her. I respect them, because most will give time to Alizee. Whereas they have given money, knowledge, and time, not for themselves, but for others. I will admit, i do not thank them enough for what they give us. But there is a reason, because i can not thank them enough. However even if you do not thank them, do not ever criticise them. If you think that you could do something better, do it. That is why Alizee-Forum, and Alizee America both exist, because someone thought they could do better. If you want to show someone they are wrong, show them, do not tell them, and try to dictate what they do into your own will. And as i said, that is why both forums exist, because someone decided they did not agree with the other, and they actually went and did something about it, so as long as those two different opinions survive, the two forums should co - exist.

    I would also like to say something on the jealousy, i wanted to say something last week, however it sounded like i was just having a general rant about everyone (which is not the impression i want to give). However what you said about one of the members keeping quiet has made me want somewhere to put it, so i apologise this is off topic, but its related to the above post. We as fans generally think about what we do for Alizee. We listen to her music, we watch her on tv, we go on forums about her, and we all give our time to her. What no one ever seems to consider is what she does for us. Recently one of her fan sites revealed information we have all been waiting for, for months. What was the response? People asked how they convinced Sony France to send them a letter. People asked who chose them. People even made reference to their country of origin, and asked how of all places it got sent there. I can tell you now, anyone at sony who is in a position to send out pre release albums does not give to much a care for any forums, or fan sites. Surely that means they had an insider at sony - no!. This is the hysteria that keeps information like this hidden. It seems some of those who are fans of Alizee, are only because of self interest, they see something they like. As such they do not understand Alizee, because there is a limit where the interest stops. At enfoires, RMJ showed that Alizee not only had seen his photos, but viewed them regularly, she even edited them, and uploaded them on more than one occasion. Going back further, we know of a designer, who did not even know she was working for Alizee, made a design, at Alizee's request, and Alizee has since contacted her, on other projects. I am not sure if it was her or someone else, that even got invited by Alizee herself to a recording, where they had to sign a contract, which was addressed as Sony France. why? because Alizee trusts them, but Sony want to protect their property. A-Life, got a contract to sign, it was from Sony, but i guarantee that if it was not for Alizee making the request, or at least authorising the send out, then sony would never have sent out that CD. She gives back to us, more than we care to credit her for. Maybe its time we stopped thinking what she could do for us, but what we can do for her. And thatis why the sites i mentioned, and many others, have my respect, because they give back to her. Alizee liked the photos of her at Enfoires, she would not have seen them if AlizeeArt did not exist. She would smile at those who waved her fan club banners, she would have not smiled, if someone had not decided to give something back to her.

    To bring it back on topic, i can only repeat what i said at the end of my first paragraph. Alizee-Forum, and Alizee America serve to different purposes. They represent two collections of views, held by their founders and admins. If there is a third view, i welcome it to also become its own community. My view is here at Alizee-Forum, because it is not what is happening now that interests me. Her music, her looks, her tattoo's, her personality. None of them could, or would ever bring me to any forum. Possibly not even collectively. The reason i come to a forum is because of this. In order to view myself, i need to view it through Alizee. Its called Cognitive dissonance, and it is what allows me to accept myself. However sometimes to see the way people around me view me. I need to see how people view Alizee. The history of this forum allows me to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garfie489 View Post
    Has to be the best thing i have read all week. And it is something i have noticed in my short time, not just here, but viewing forums in general. I have huge respect for those at A-Life, AlizeeArt, and other source sites i have used, but do not know the creators of. It is because of them, that we have such great resources to indulge our own personal interests in Alizee, for whatever reason we may follow her. I respect them, because most will give time to Alizee. Whereas they have given money, knowledge, and time, not for themselves, but for others. I will admit, i do not thank them enough for what they give us. But there is a reason, because i can not thank them enough. However even if you do not thank them, do not ever criticise them. If you think that you could do something better, do it. That is why Alizee-Forum, and Alizee America both exist, because someone thought they could do better. If you want to show someone they are wrong, show them, do not tell them, and try to dictate what they do into your own will. And as i said, that is why both forums exist, because someone decided they did not agree with the other, and they actually went and did something about it, so as long as those two different opinions survive, the two forums should co - exist.

    I would also like to say something on the jealousy, i wanted to say something last week, however it sounded like i was just having a general rant about everyone (which is not the impression i want to give). However what you said about one of the members keeping quiet has made me want somewhere to put it, so i apologise this is off topic, but its related to the above post. We as fans generally think about what we do for Alizee. We listen to her music, we watch her on tv, we go on forums about her, and we all give our time to her. What no one ever seems to consider is what she does for us. Recently one of her fan sites revealed information we have all been waiting for, for months. What was the response? People asked how they convinced Sony France to send them a letter. People asked who chose them. People even made reference to their country of origin, and asked how of all places it got sent there. I can tell you now, anyone at sony who is in a position to send out pre release albums does not give to much a care for any forums, or fan sites. Surely that means they had an insider at sony - no!. This is the hysteria that keeps information like this hidden. It seems some of those who are fans of Alizee, are only because of self interest, they see something they like. As such they do not understand Alizee, because there is a limit where the interest stops. At enfoires, RMJ showed that Alizee not only had seen his photos, but viewed them regularly, she even edited them, and uploaded them on more than one occasion. Going back further, we know of a designer, who did not even know she was working for Alizee, made a design, at Alizee's request, and Alizee has since contacted her, on other projects. I am not sure if it was her or someone else, that even got invited by Alizee herself to a recording, where they had to sign a contract, which was addressed as Sony France. why? because Alizee trusts them, but Sony want to protect their property. A-Life, got a contract to sign, it was from Sony, but i guarantee that if it was not for Alizee making the request, or at least authorising the send out, then sony would never have sent out that CD. She gives back to us, more than we care to credit her for. Maybe its time we stopped thinking what she could do for us, but what we can do for her. And thatis why the sites i mentioned, and many others, have my respect, because they give back to her. Alizee liked the photos of her at Enfoires, she would not have seen them if AlizeeArt did not exist. She would smile at those who waved her fan club banners, she would have not smiled, if someone had not decided to give something back to her.

    To bring it back on topic, i can only repeat what i said at the end of my first paragraph. Alizee-Forum, and Alizee America serve to different purposes. They represent two collections of views, held by their founders and admins. If there is a third view, i welcome it to also become its own community. My view is here at Alizee-Forum, because it is not what is happening now that interests me. Her music, her looks, her tattoo's, her personality. None of them could, or would ever bring me to any forum. Possibly not even collectively. The reason i come to a forum is because of this. In order to view myself, i need to view it through Alizee. Its called Cognitive dissonance, and it is what allows me to accept myself. However sometimes to see the way people around me view me. I need to see how people view Alizee. The history of this forum allows me to do that.
    well... really good review of the situation...

    I like both forum, AA maybe little more, cause I was the at first... Im there and here just little years... but first time, just in last days I got my eyes fully open. what happened in last days, showed me that some people are not the person on which they play. Normally everything ok, smile from one corner of face to second, like best friends.
    And then come something extra like chance to hear new album and tell your feelings, and the people change to crazy wilds... and some really much.
    And personally, I was shocked from it... all the years you show how you are, and then came something, and you see that they dont believe you... obviously they played it all the time, or it is just the thing of jealousy

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    Garfie489 I'll give you a prime example of what I'm talking about.

    Ronnie, here is a guy who brings more to this forum than twenty other members yet I hear more people bitch moan and complain about him than anyone else, not necessarily limited to this forum.

    See my above post ^

    Does he sometime rub people the wrong way, yes? If you or anyone else is posting on a forum believe me your getting under someone else's skin at times.

    I never been around enough to see him go off on a lot of people but the few times I was, they deserve it because they were looking for a fight and he gave it right back to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALS View Post
    . . . I'm betting the same thing goes on over here with the in the know members.
    I don't see much jealousy on this forum. . . hardly ever. We are a close knit community for the most part, and would only get upset if something is shared that Alizée would not want shared, or if it would be some info that would offend her, etc. The thing about jealousy is that it takes on many forms, like "protective" jealousy, jealousy of wanting to be in the know, and then that wanting to be in the know that leads to jealousy of the worst kind: hate. I do not see any of that here unless it is something unsubstantiated and people start to wonder about rumors etc. But if people do get jealous about a select few being able to gather insider-ish info, then maybe in the grandeur scheme of things it should not be so much of a problem as sibling rivalry haha. . . the only reqason it ever gets nasty is because people are speaking their minds from computer screens separated by thousands of miles, so we have to accept that this sort of thing can go on once in a while on some forums, including this one the odd time. It too shall pass
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    I started reading both forums back in 2007 (or probably early 200. I was always amazed by the dedication of members from both forums. Till 2010 I didn't have much idea of personal tensions between members if there was any. So, both forums always looked great for me.

    I really appreciate contribution of both forums. Keep the good work guys.

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