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    Right now, it is solely a middle eastern event. . . .

    here in North America, people get to vote every few years . . they get to purchase everything they want on credit . . . they get to complain and elect new members of government . . . they get health care, they get roads, and hospitals free schools, and the op to get higher education. They get the freedom to erect churches and mosques, and synagogues . . . they get to speak out against the leadership, and they get a governm,ent that tries to create an infrastructure to support families and the middle class and the economy, in turn. They get all this AND more . . and yet they still get the freedom to complain. They get the freedom to complain about high oil and gas prices, without realizing that somebody actually has to search, extract and deliver the resources they are burning up every day, and wasting too.

    They get all this . . . they get to do all this and still have the freedom to fix things and seek out a better syetem with time. It does not take a dictaotr and 40+ years of being ruled by a despot and criminal to achieve all this. HERE, it does not take a long awakening fro a long coma to seek change and better ourselves. We do not base everything on religious zeal and rhetoric by it. We have democracy and we have capitalism . . . not perfect, but we perfect ourselves and our state in time and learn from mistakes. Is it all ignornance, or a form of self worth that is ill concieved from the constant freedoms we enjoy . . . . and rtake advantage of, by the raping of our lands and the nature all around us, from the oceans to the farthest reaches of the worlds endangered rainforests and delicate ecosystems . . . . WE consume, while middle easterners and 3rd world countries are being consumed by dictators and religion; for where there is no infrastructure there is no growth and things remain stale . .. where there is lack of sound judgement due to brainwashed minds society becomes stale and like a new rug that is never washed, simply becomes darker and darker as all the rich colours fade away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjambrose View Post
    But I don't think this is solely a 'Middle Eastern' event. I think it will spread to Europe and elsewhere (in fact, Iceland, Ireland, France, Greece, etc. have already seen some of this). It may even spread to the U.S. as the 'have nots' realize that they have been 'had', so to speak. Marie Antoinette: "Let them eat cake." Well, she lost her head (literally) over that remark.
    We will not see same kind of riots in Western World. The situation here is completely different. Hopefully the events will turn out to be change to more modern society, something what we in West have already have.

    Unfortunately this might also be turn to worse, as groups like Muslim brotherhood might get more power.

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    I respectfully disagree. Granted, the Western world is vastly different from the Middle East (and Russia and the Far East), but people are people and human nature is human nature and an empty stomach/no job is an empty stomach/no job, regardless of the nationality, race or geography. As things continue to fall apart, I predict that we will see riots like this in the Western world. I hope not. That is my opinion. Let's see ...

    Regarding brainwashed minds, I view the Western world as having a populace with completely brainwashed minds (thanks to the nature of the financial elite, mass media TV/radio/newspapers, government, etc.). The people in the West are easily told what to think, how to vote, what to buy, what to eat, etc. ... as if that were 'good' and 'normal' (some of it may be and some of it may not be). We just happen to have a better standard of living, that is all (at least for the moment we do). That is the only reason that we do not have riots like this currently in the U.S. The only reason. Brainwashing is brainwashing and every government needs to control the proles. Every government ...

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    I think that the key to salvation of future problems is the reduction of population growth. West is in quite good situation, as we (at least here in Europe) already have declining population, though immigration keeps population growing in some countries. China's population will start to decline soon and hopefully India will follow that trend.

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    Actually, I totally agree you. We are reaching the Malthusian limits of the Earth's ecosystem.

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    In the west, it's not abut brain washing. It's about blind consumption. In the east it is all about brainwashing and religious bias and 3rd world mentality. Western consumers are ignorant, not brain washed.

    I could go on and explain, but nobody here will be raising my GPA for this essay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    In the west, it's not abut brain washing. It's about blind consumption. In the east it is all about brainwashing and religious bias and 3rd world mentality. Western consumers are ignorant, not brain washed.

    I could go on and explain, but nobody here will be raising my GPA for this essay
    World is not as simple as you described just now.

    You are way more experienced than me and must have seen more than me, but I still feel that you need to know more especially about the east.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    In the west, it's not abut brain washing. It's about blind consumption. In the east it is all about brainwashing and religious bias and 3rd world mentality. Western consumers are ignorant, not brain washed.

    I could go on and explain, but nobody here will be raising my GPA for this essay
    Ignorant of what and compared to whom? What people are better informed than "westerners" about the realities of living, what is going on in the world, scientifically speaking, what the world is and how it functions, etc.? Maybe we in the US are not the best educated in the world and maybe as a country we are relatively self-centered, but compared to 3rd world/religiously zealous/tradition locked/authoritarian governed peoples who can't afford or don't care to afford themselves public education, journalism, science, how could they possibly be anything other than more ignorant than we, by the millions or billions?

    Still, I agree about blind consumption. We get used to a certain life style and then we don't care how it comes to us. But I really doubt that you can say that anyone else is somehow in a better position with regard to that. They might not have the means to consume blindly, but just as soon as they do, you see it in a shocking light. Just think about how we talk of people destroying rain forest for agriculture. We make the argument that ultimately it is foolish. Or how people are fishing fish out of existence and their argument is that they do it to make a living. Unsustainable. What people who are educated enough to have a choice are not "consuming" blindly? In what developing nation does it even seem to be a consideration let alone do they do a better job of considering the environment than "westerners"? Old traditional societies maybe do, but modernizing societies, I doubt it. Now we are trying to change and make more of an issue of intentional sustainability. There are a lot of stupid people everywhere, granted, but that is a human condition. Societally, I don't think ignorance is really our problem either. Then again, maybe I'm biased since I have both had that "Indian" religion upbringing (a bit untraditional for these parts, even if trendy when my parents latched onto it) and in recent years I have started paying more attention to areas outside of my country, even if still mostly "western". Still, it seems like people have become more open and knowledgeable in recent decades around here.

    To sort of acknowledge Merci Alizée's point, I'll say that I'm just not sure how productive it is to label things as eastern and western. There is a certain sensibility to it. It's sort of true that things are typically eastern or typically western, but we are talking about half the planet in each case, right? Talk about simplification.

    Slightly more specific, it is hard to think of "the middle-east" without thinking of a hot bead of conflict for (depending on how you look at it) several decades or a couple millenia. The U.S. has had no serious lasting conflict within it's borders for what, 150 years? Luck? What's the point? Um. I don't know. Is it possible to have "peace in the middle east"? Not in my life time.


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    I just got in, and I will talk more about this later, but just to make clear, I refer to those that suffer under a dictator ( speaking of the middle east saga) and are afraid and thus brainwashed into submission . . . It is a BIG difference between the east and west mentality, and why I mentioned religious zeal you will find in Islamist lands, etc. . . . sort of like how western Christian society will not be as vindictive towards someone that spoke badly of Jesus v. someone that makes a poor cartoon about Mohammad, etc. It's that little hint that something else is gpoing on in Eastern Islamist lands. it's more complicated than this, though, and goes much deeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    I just got in, and I will talk more about this later, but just to make clear, I refer to those that suffer under a dictator ( speaking of the middle east saga) and are afraid and thus brainwashed into submission . . . It is a BIG difference between the east and west mentality, and why I mentioned religious zeal you will find in Islamist lands, etc.
    When we speak about West and East we should remember that some "eastern" countries are more "western" than many countries in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merci Alizée View Post
    World is not as simple as you described just now.

    You are way more experienced than me and must have seen more than me, but I still feel that you need to know more especially about the east.
    There IS religious bias that causes extreme sentiments, especially when poverty and illiteracy is high. There is a 3rd world mentality when you have people knowingly cheer a ruthles dictator that takes billions from the public and spreads it along for his family . . . and sometimes, as long as he yells out in the streets, "God is great!" and "brothers" and "the infidels" they get acquainted. NOW though, I thinnk that they are having a sort of awakening period. I am speaking here not about "East", but about poverty stricken Islamist countries. Just like the Taliban pray for "death to the infidels" and in a land where people are terrified to speak out, so to in many other parts of the eastern world do you find such states. It is why I mention religious bias, and 3rd world mentality, and it all havng a brainwashing effect, ESPECIALLY on their children . . . as in the Palestinian movement you have fathers arming thier 8yr old children with Ak 47s and teaching them to "kill the great Satan." IT IS ALL ABOUT THIS CANCER that STRICKENS the MIDDLE EAST . . . and it is ALL the problems they ever need.



    Quote Originally Posted by Roman View Post
    Maybe we in the US are not the best educated in the world and maybe as a country we are relatively self-centered, but compared to 3rd world/religiously zealous/tradition locked/authoritarian governed peoples who can't afford or don't care to afford themselves public education, journalism, science, how could they possibly be anything other than more ignorant than we, by the millions or billions?
    It's like I said: WE consume, while middle easterners and 3rd world countries are being consumed by dictators and religion; for where there is no infrastructure there is no growth and things remain stale . .. where there is lack of sound judgement due to brainwashed minds society becomes stale and like a new rug that is never washed, simply becomes darker and darker as all the rich colours fade away. Remember 9/11 and what we saw in the middle east when they showed people jumping for joy and doing the " lalalalalalalala." "God is great!" >they get brainwashed and ignorance is rampant where poverty stricken people grow up in such a state where illiteracy is low, too. How can "god be great!" when innocent people are killed and made to suffer!? How can you pray for death of innocents!? And how can you accept and jump for joy in the face of a dictator who gets rich off the suffereing of his own people . . . . . . . . only to jump for joy again when the "infidels" kill him or take him down, or your own people takes him down!?

    The middle east is more complicated than the west, where we are a consuming culture and sometimes hypocritical when it comes to these affairs . . . . yet we become forced hypocrites becasue we have to think of the final outcome and the resources and the struggle to rid these lands of dictators and bring democracy and a new way of life for such abused peoples.

    Where poverty and ignorance are rampant, even in some western countries you do see remnants of this sort of political and social phenomena . . . add an extreme idiology to feed off peoples bias and ignorance and you struck fools gold!


    Quote Originally Posted by Roman View Post
    To sort of acknowledge Merci Alizée's point, I'll say that I'm just not sure how productive it is to label things as eastern and western. There is a certain sensibility to it. It's sort of true that things are typically eastern or typically western, but we are talking about half the planet in each case, right? Talk about simplification.
    In what I was saying, I was quantifying things in terms of Lybia and the middle Eastern lands that relate. I as not dividing the world in east and west haha

    Quote Originally Posted by Roman View Post
    Slightly more specific, it is hard to think of "the middle-east" without thinking of a hot bead of conflict for (depending on how you look at it) several decades or a couple millenia. The U.S. has had no serious lasting conflict within it's borders for what, 150 years? Luck? What's the point? Um. I don't know. Is it possible to have "peace in the middle east"? Not in my life time.
    Itis due to the evoilution of society, that things become stable. . . . just like Civil War marked an evolutionary point for society, to better itself. The middle eastern lands in question have had NO SUCH evolutionary periods . . just REVolutions. Hence, why Kadhafi manages to stay in power. . . and fear, poverty, bias, religious zeal and rhetoric form a double helix for people to live out their lives not knowing anything else since birth, practically. . .
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    This might be good way to help.

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    Well, it looks like Europe and the U.S. (and everywhere else for that matter) is having yet another money-printing-induced financial panic. Best of luck to all.

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    Everything will get better . . I guarantee it. FOr now if you are working, save youor money and spend just a small fraction that you normally would. At the e3nd of each month, you will be surprised. Other than that, and without going off the deep end into long posts, haha, just drink nice water, gewt an occasional beer in you, relax outside, take long walks, and for god's sake do NOT watch any news on TV or read the damn papers. IGNORE news/media. Go on about yourbusiness as usual, in trying to find a job, and don;t look back.

    all this is nothign more than society's mimic of Moses in the desert when his people went mental and made golden calfs to worship and did nothing but eat drink and have orgies . . . today we do all that but we also use money instead of the golden calf to make ourselves richer than we are, and go into debt, while billion dollar oil companies are getting government incentives and tax breaks, as oil drops and the pumps still stand firm on high prices. It's those damned republicans and their whore side party that prefvent Obama from raising taxes on the rich companies, for starters. They forgot last time Obama gave in and nogotiated and this time they also make Obama do the same damn thing, and they complain too. . . . I also blame the Americans for the last vote they did in giving the house to the republicans so that they can cause all this mess. Think about it. Then last time on CNN one of the anchors, said that the U.S. is the country best off in this situation, not for once looking uipo north to Canada that has outperformed every nation and has no debt crisis, even though many Canadians have debt, there is no sky falling. Seriously every time you turn on the TV, they create news and feqar to keep you tuned in . . . . but if you go outside for a walk, and never watch the news, and you are not a money whore, things remain as usual, and as they have been for years. This is all nothing more than an attempot to enslave more people in this world to the illuminati/rulers of this world . . the 1% that own everything, and that we depend on. Do you guys seriously think that the resason they went to Iraq was to spend all that cash and lives so that they can better the lives of the Iraqi people, and oust Hussein?????? People that control the oil are in 3rd world countries, and the "the great satan" wants to control it and change the world with it to their favour. That is why we are in Middle east . . and as far as they are concerned, thank god for terrorists that give us the right to be there.

    but . . . seriously the world will get better . . . . in 2 more years, come back to this post and you will see I was right.
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    Meh. Democrats. Republicans. They are all the same. Obama increased the war effort in Afghan (and started a new war in Libya) and funneled even more money to the banker elite than Bush Jr. did. Wake up. They are all the same. It is sad really.

    Although, I agree with you on this point: Don't watch the news or TV. Even the headlines in the newspapers (digital or hardcopy) are propaganda. From both the left and the right.

    Good luck to all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post
    but . . . seriously the world will get better . . . . in 2 more years, come back to this post and you will see I was right.
    Hmm... and now, let's see who was right a year ago . . .

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    And the most fckd up is economy, one crisis has started it all (thanks USA), and now when it's not over yet, the financial crisis is coming... but now it seems that Europe will fall as first (Euro was great idea, but same as all "great" ideas...) and then everything else will follow (except China probably).

    Maybe it won't happen, maybe someone will finally(!) do something to stop it, but I'm worried it's a bit late... I hope that people will realize it soon and will take some precautions, or else we are going to go through some wild years...



    And the solution . . . just print more money, no one will notice anyway

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    Ha ha. Everyone is a Nostradamus wanna-be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jordy View Post
    Hmm... and now, let's see who was right a year ago . . .
    haha well you were right . . and so was about thousands of other people . . perhaps millions

    I guess we should all just step back a bit and not get carried away in these mass problems. If WWs passed, then this shall too . . . no need for 'Nostradamus' or Orion or Jordy.

    Print more money . . . . haha I wish I had the means. (like that lottery $2000 a week for life atta do it)
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