Riots

[Le Fidèle]

For the last 6 months, there have been quite a few protests and riots

from the paris riots, to the australian youths, to the controversy over the Danish Cartoon. . .


what are you views?


The worlds coming to an end!

riot groups will soon envolve countries, countries will fight with eachother,

WWIII is right around the corner.

anxiety will biuild up,

"who's going to attack first"

"we should attack first before the enemy does"


once that happens. . . .

well, lets just say, the world can't afford another WW with the technology developed today. but then again, it might keep some countries in check, and even UNITE some. . .

only time will tell. . . .

[Ned]

My point of view is that the world leaders, which has total control over the big business called war business are starting wars all over the planet. How? Is simple. Let me explain you the simplest part of their policy. You have two parties. You start by instigating eachother. You promise, then, both that you will finance each with money for weapons. But remember, they both mustn't know about what you are doing. They start war, or wars and you get payed. It's plain and simple: two are fighting and the third one wins. The both lose. What do they lose? They lose money, but the most important thing they lose are lives. This is their basic ideology.

[PayBays]

Irak...USA...Korea...Russia

well...drop them off one country and let them kill eachother.

The first time i got worried about a 3th World War was when USA bombed Irak.Then the Irakees came up with all kind of stuff ( kidnapping persons and shooting their heads of live at a tv camera ) and asking for USA to leave.They didn't,so they moved to neighbours country to take over there.

Now Irak DOESN'T have Biochemical Weapons of Mass Destruction, they were planning to inspect Korea,which seem to have.Then Russia with the gas supply error to all our country's and now today, a lot of Riots and Parades because they don't want the Islam to be printed wrong in a book or wanting to see Mohammed his face covered with blood with such an horrible text underneath it.

Like i said,where is the world going>\?

[fallenONE]

The world is restless


WWIII just might be around the corner i give it a ten year window. :roll:

Iran vs Wester nations is my guess. And as soon as Iran is in the fighting other nearby Middle Eastern countries will join in on Iran's side. (If the leaders do not, the people will.)

Aka The New Crusade

[PayBays]

We lived our life like a candle in the wind

Once the candle blows out and the sky will be filled with Chemical deseases and we'll all die very non-happily.But who cares,then they have the world...where everyone is dead.

Sigh,make love not war!

[Le Fidèle]

Ned that's true, but if its a WORLD war, then countries will rely on their allies for weapons and Support, which also draggs that country into the war too. . .

also. . .

has anyone concidered a Triple Threat World War?!?!?!?1 :shock: :shock: :shock:


3 different allies!

fighting 2 different Wars at the Same time

[Ned]

Wake up, guys! The big nusiness have evolved. We already are in WWIII. But this time it is not entirely military, but psychological too. Remember? Mind control experiments? They are still doing it.

[fallenONE]

Ned that's true, but if its a WORLD war, then countries will rely on their allies for weapons and Support, which also draggs that country into the war too. . .

also. . .

has anyone concidered a Triple Threat World War?!?!?!?1 :shock: :shock: :shock:


3 different allies!

fighting 2 different Wars at the Same time

It just might happen. Western VS Middle Eastern VS China

[Le Fidèle]

okay okay, so maybe WWIII HAS begun, i'm talking about the REAL WWIII

NO little mind games, no buying weapons from who knows what. . .

i'm talking about Nuclear War! Invations! Death in mass Porportions!

[PayBays]

Wake up, guys! The big nusiness have evolved. We already are in WWIII. But this time it is not entirely military, but psychological too. Remember? Mind control experiments? They are still doing it.

How about this:


VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

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right?The First Atombomb...

[Le Fidèle]

LMAO Fallen one. . . why just china?

just say asia. . .

but then again, america has alot of allies in the pacific.

[Ned]

I'm not a predicter but we are this close from haeding to a nuclear war. They were lots of documentaries about the so-called nuclear WWIII. They are still filling people with wrong information by doing that. It is not like it will be warned on TV, saying "hey, people, the nuclear world war has started! Go hide somewhere, in a bunker for example!". We will know when that happens. So what? It's not like we are afraid of dying. :roll:
why just china?

just say asia. . .

Because China is the biggest coutry in Asia (and a very important military force) and in the world.

[fallenONE]

China hate Japan's guts

Sadly old rivalries die hard and people will die needlessly just so 2 nations can settle an old grudge.


I don't bash Japs for what they did in WWII but sadly other chinese have not been so forgiving. My parents even frown on me when I mention this. Well because I am such a history buff, I see that it is pointless to keep blaming others for atroicites committed in the past.

But I am a minority of the Chinese population that feels this way. :roll:

People can never get along. Their nationlistic pride takes over their common sense of peace.

[Le Fidèle]

Russia and China are allies . . .

just a few months ago, they had this practice thingy . . .

where A joint effort russian and chinese forces worked along side during a Defensive Beach invastion.

[YCZ]

China hate Japan's guts

Sadly old rivalries die hard and people will die needlessly just so 2 nations can settle an old grudge.


I don't bash Japs for what they did in WWII but sadly other chinese have not been so forgiving. My parents even frown on me when I mention this. Well because I am such a history buff, I see that it is pointless to keep blaming others for atroicites committed in the past.

But I am a minority of the Chinese population that feels this way. :roll:

People can never get along. Their nationlistic pride takes over their common sense of peace.
You are really about 0.01% of the China's popluation who think that way, and out of the 0.01% 90% is outside of China. Basically anyone who graduated grade school in China hates Japan's guts, the chinese government is not letting the next generation forgive japan. Anti-japan education, movies, media are everywhere in China.

[fallenONE]

EXACTLY

Bigotry is everywhere. The world we live in. :?

[rka]

China hate Japan's guts

Sadly old rivalries die hard and people will die needlessly just so 2 nations can settle an old grudge.


I don't bash Japs for what they did in WWII but sadly other chinese have not been so forgiving. My parents even frown on me when I mention this. Well because I am such a history buff, I see that it is pointless to keep blaming others for atroicites committed in the past.

But I am a minority of the Chinese population that feels this way. :roll:

People can never get along. Their nationlistic pride takes over their common sense of peace.
You are really about 0.01% of the China's popluation who think that way, and out of the 0.01% 90% is outside of China. Basically anyone who graduated grade school in China hates Japan's guts, the chinese government is not letting the next generation forgive japan. Anti-japan education, movies, media are everywhere in China.

What Japan did to China was not a nice thing. But, It's war time, countries take opportunities. Japan had a leader and not a government.

yes there might still be chinese people that hate japaneses. maybe less than a couple percents.

It's something you cant carry for the rest of your life, or generation after generation.

Learn something from Japan also. United States bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Students in the US learn about this EVERY year from 7th grade up until Junior (11th grade) year. Each year something new is showed. this year in my class i saw the multilation the bomb caused in people. Innocent people. Skin melting. Eye balls on their hand, shadows burnt to the concrete. Sad things, and not sure how many days later nagasaki was bombed luckly the pilot missed it's target, it harmed much less people, but same distruction.

And todays modern days Japan learned to forgive. Japanese people still come to the US. They let U.S go into their countires and as of what i know JP dont care anymore.

Of course now you also got Economy. Without Japan not many electronics for medical use would be develeoped. Japan has an immensive economy with the world. China same thing. China is so important that during WWII japan agreed not to attack china, but they could have the rest of ASIA to mess with it.

It's all about how new generations will be taught and how people understand history. If people reject to understand that it happend because of... There will be hate forever.

United States teach their kids what happend during WW2 and the part that most pisses me off is that most of this kids think it was right

I'm 50% japanese, my mom is 100% and my grandmother is 100% born there I my grandma's family has any hate towards US because of that. Just for a simple reason they understand history.


AND HOLY-CRAP i wrote all this and i have no clue if it made sense or not, just listening to some musik and putting my opnion for you to read. I may be wrong in some facts i stated, sry because of that. it's what i learn.

[fallenONE]

Too bad that doesnt happen in China.

On TV, you see countless movies of Japanese brutality during the Sino-Japansese War.

On the Bookshelves, you have History books filled with (exaggerated) accounts of Japanese atorcities.

At the households, everyone knows of what Japanese did to the Chinese. It is passed down from generation to generation. The Chinese people have felt they were superior to the Japanese and vice versa. To this day it still happens. I bet if you put one man from Japan and one man from China together, they will have awkward moments and resent each other deep down inside. It is in the culture.

China can never forget how it got humiliated in the past century and it will take any action to regain what honor it has lost. Sadly I do not think the results will be pretty.

:roll:

I know this from first hand experience. I saw all those things in China.

@rka Your example is how US citizens feel. That is how I see the way things work too. But I was saying how people in China think differently and I can attest to that because I was taught those things when I was small. :shock:
Good thing I learned history in an uncensored environment or else I might be hating Japan. 8)

To clear up any confusion:
I have only respect for Japan. What happened in the past must be buried if the future is to have any progress.

But the some 3 billion Chinese will not be exposed to this unbiased view of history.

[Achilles]

Ohohuhuh......What bullshits can I say to your fucking guys???!!!

Absolutely I have no energy to argue with you at all,I have read all your posts ,wow,how long they are,maybe Le Fidèle 's are much better,he 's always made short and clear posts,but some of others are Rubbish,long and pointless and boring to read ,but perhaps you should thank me for thorough reading.

Well,I don't care how you think about China and Chinese,why I care???!My country has been becoming richer and stronger steadily,my country will nodoubtedly become the strongest superpower in the yes the 21st century,yeah,all you guys can live into that time to see it personally ,and only if the chance is available ,China will attack Japan most vigorously and make it disappear from the world-map.

Japan has been a bitch since 2000 year ago.I can tell you that my watch used now is from Japan ,but I still hate and despise Japan and Japanese ,I 've never met a Japanese,if I meet,maybe I will give him a big punch.

[Ned]

Ohohuhuh......What bullshits can I say to your fucking guys???!!!

Absolutely I have no energy to argue with you at all,I have read all your posts ,wow,how long they are,maybe Le Fidèle 's are much better,he 's always made short and clear posts,but some of others are Rubbish,long and pointless and boring to read ,but perhaps you should thank me for thorough reading.

Well,I don't care how you think about China and Chinese,why I care???!My country has been becoming richer and stronger steadily,my country will nodoubtedly become the strongest superpower in the yes the 21st century,yeah,all you guys can live into that time to see it personally ,and only if the chance is available ,China will attack Japan most vigorously and make it disappear from the world-map.

Japan has been a bitch since 2000 year ago.I can tell you that my watch used now is from Japan ,but I still hate and despise Japan and Japanese ,I 've never met a Japanese,if I meet,maybe I will give him a big punch.
Can you even see what you already posted? I don't think so! See, this is why there are more and more riots out there, small civil wars and big ones too. Because of people like you who says that don't care anymore about a certain country (Japan, in this situation) and you say to hell with them. Let's make them dissapear from the world map! But can you even think about those innocent people who have to suffer because you condamned them? Can you even imagine how it is when those innocent people have to pay for other people sins? I don't think so! All you do is to say "I hate them! Let them die!". But you don't take one thing in consideration. That we are dragged into this like we are a part of their dirty business. We are forced to suffer because they said so. It isn't about the hattery between two coutries. It is about a God damn, dirty rotten work of those big businessmen that monopolized our lives.
You said that China will become the most powerfull nation (coutry) in the world. But did you consider that the U.S. still exist? Or Russia? I guess you didn't. I suggest you stop right now and think about this. And remember, it is not who is the biggest or the most powerful, but who has the money to become that. And definitely who has the monopoly over the big business, in which case no country will ever reach that goal, there are only the bankers (the big businessmen :wink: ).

[MetalicGuy]

"I don't know what weapons World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

--Albert Einstien


Halleluja to the nukes..................

[fallenONE]

Ohohuhuh......What bullshits can I say to your fucking guys???!!!

Absolutely I have no energy to argue with you at all,I have read all your posts ,wow,how long they are,maybe Le Fidèle 's are much better,he 's always made short and clear posts,but some of others are Rubbish,long and pointless and boring to read ,but perhaps you should thank me for thorough reading.

Well,I don't care how you think about China and Chinese,why I care???!My country has been becoming richer and stronger steadily,my country will nodoubtedly become the strongest superpower in the yes the 21st century,yeah,all you guys can live into that time to see it personally ,and only if the chance is available ,China will attack Japan most vigorously and make it disappear from the world-map.

Japan has been a bitch since 2000 year ago.I can tell you that my watch used now is from Japan ,but I still hate and despise Japan and Japanese ,I 've never met a Japanese,if I meet,maybe I will give him a big punch.

See. A typical Chinese with hatred toward the Japanese :roll:

[MetalicGuy]

See. A typical Chinese with hatred toward the Japanese :roll:

Naah.. he's just jealous that Japan invented Nintendo :P

[Ned]

"I don't know what weapons World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

--Albert Einstien


Halleluja to the nukes..................
Back to the Stone Age, huh? :lol:

[MetalicGuy]

"I don't know what weapons World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

--Albert Einstien


Halleluja to the nukes..................
Back to the Stone Age, huh? :lol:


Hehe yep! Flintstones here we come!

[Ned]

Hehe yep! Flintstones here we come!
Ya-ba-da-ba-doo on this one! :lol: Sorry, offtopic.
Ontopic:
The real riots are covered up and smoked fast, because the big shots don't want the truth to be revealed. When I say real riots, I ment the riots hapenned when people find out the truth about the business that is silently running our doggone life. :|

[Tyza]

Riots... :roll:

Madness is celebrating unexpected victories. :roll:

[Steve]

I have always wanted to be in a Riot!! :D

[özgür]

My point of view is that the world leaders, which has total control over the big business called war business are starting wars all over the planet. How? Is simple. Let me explain you the simplest part of their policy. You have two parties. You start by instigating eachother. You promise, then, both that you will finance each with money for weapons. But remember, they both mustn't know about what you are doing. They start war, or wars and you get payed. It's plain and simple: two are fighting and the third one wins. The both lose. What do they lose? They lose money, but the most important thing they lose are lives. This is their basic ideology.

u are exactly right. i live in Turkiye and i am a muslim. someones publish some comics and the others burn their's flag. it's boring and frightened - there is a disgusting simple plain...This is sheet. i really believe that "two are fighting and the third one wins". there are 1,5 bilion muslims in the world and 300 thousands in the Europa.. And Europe's relegion is different . And of course there is a big cake to eat... who is evil. yes evil is the third one......... what can i do? i am crying.. :cry:

[tern]

Wake up, guys! The big nusiness have evolved. We already are in WWIII. But this time it is not entirely military, but psychological too. Remember? Mind control experiments? They are still doing it.

How about this:


VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

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right?The First Atombomb...

It is said that Family Guy has something for every purpose. Thankfully, I have every Family Guy. I remember watching this on TV with my roomates wondering if they were actually going to.... :D

http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Links/TheBomb.avi

[YCZ]

Ohohuhuh......What bullshits can I say to your fucking guys???!!!

Absolutely I have no energy to argue with you at all,I have read all your posts ,wow,how long they are,maybe Le Fidèle 's are much better,he 's always made short and clear posts,but some of others are Rubbish,long and pointless and boring to read ,but perhaps you should thank me for thorough reading.

Well,I don't care how you think about China and Chinese,why I care???!My country has been becoming richer and stronger steadily,my country will nodoubtedly become the strongest superpower in the yes the 21st century,yeah,all you guys can live into that time to see it personally ,and only if the chance is available ,China will attack Japan most vigorously and make it disappear from the world-map.

Japan has been a bitch since 2000 year ago.I can tell you that my watch used now is from Japan ,but I still hate and despise Japan and Japanese ,I 've never met a Japanese,if I meet,maybe I will give him a big punch.
Seems like everyone thing u post starts an arguement sign....
And u know i never agree with u, but this time...
The hate not just WWII really, they are still being a bitch. I don't want to list the many things they are doing right now, pisses me off even when i think it. So reason we still hate him is that they are still being retarded not just WWII, that's my point. Achilles haven't argue with u for so long, any comment is welcome.

[Emmerdale001]

Achilles, what have the Japanese done to you personally? Did you live through the Rape of Nanking? That was 70 years ago. You only hate the Japanese because you were taught to hate them, not because they personally insulted or attacked you.

I'm ethnically Vietnamese, and the Japanese occupied my homeland during that war as well, but I'm not going to hold that against the Japanese who live today because the ones who committed the crimes are dead, and I wasn't personally victimized by them, so I have no reason to continue the hatred.

You think the Japanese have been a bitch to you for the last 2000 years? Well, the Chinese have been a bitch to the Vietnamese for 2000 years as well. Chinese emperors repeatedly tried to take Vietnamese land for centuries, but they failed.

[fallenONE]

^first post I have seen you made in a while. What you have said is true. My personal response is that I wish I could say sorry (sorry!) as Chinese but that would not be a word coming from all Chinese people, just myself.


Sadly Achilles would never see it that way, to him Japanese are Japanese. Always have, Always will be. So he thinks all the atrocities Japanese have committed is indictive of the whole nation forever and always.

[Le Fidèle]

so, i'm going to take a wild geuss, and throw it out there. .

but i'm guessing that achilles is one of those Chinese that hate the Japs?

[fallenONE]

so, i'm going to take a wild geuss, and throw it out there. .

but i'm guessing that achilles is one of those Chinese that hate the Japs?

Here is my guess. Seems like it matches!


PostPosted: Wed 08 Feb, 2006 8:27 am Post subject:
Achilles wrote:
Ohohuhuh......What bullshits can I say to your fucking guys???!!!

Absolutely I have no energy to argue with you at all,I have read all your posts ,wow,how long they are,maybe Le Fidèle 's are much better,he 's always made short and clear posts,but some of others are Rubbish,long and pointless and boring to read ,but perhaps you should thank me for thorough reading.

Well,I don't care how you think about China and Chinese,why I care???!My country has been becoming richer and stronger steadily,my country will nodoubtedly become the strongest superpower in the yes the 21st century,yeah,all you guys can live into that time to see it personally ,and only if the chance is available ,China will attack Japan most vigorously and make it disappear from the world-map.

Japan has been a bitch since 2000 year ago.I can tell you that my watch used now is from Japan ,but I still hate and despise Japan and Japanese ,I 've never met a Japanese,if I meet,maybe I will give him a big punch.


See. A typical Chinese with hatred toward the Japanese

[Le Fidèle]

although i'm not encouraging hatred. .

emmerdale, although he hasnt lived through it himself through personal experience. "Live on, but never forget!"

but yeah, i can understand why there would be so much hatred. . . but i dont think its needed.

[staos]

"Live on, but never forget!"

I agree but not to the point where the kids are being blamed and attacked for their past generation's attocities which is what is happening in China right now.

"Fuck with me and I shall unleash vengence on your offspring"
It not really a quote from anyone in particular but I think it best describe the situation between China and Japan.

[Steve]

I think China's Hatred to Japan wouldnt be there if a democracy was in place. The Communist party has whipped there people into this way of thinking, its purely propaganda!!

My farther was brought up, along with the rest of his generation to look down apon the Japanese and Asians in general, becuse their parents were brought up during WW2 when the Japanese were basicly knocking at out doorsteps. Although the war was such along time ago that 'dislike' (I wouldnt call it hatred) will always remain.

[loff]

I don't get it. The cartoons aren't new, they were first published in sept 04 or 05 (I don't remember). Why react now? And why be so fucking serious about your religion? It's not like christians went on a killing spree when Monty Pyton - Life of Brian was released..

[Nestonia]

I don't get it. The cartoons aren't new, they were first published in sept 04 or 05 (I don't remember). Why react now? And why be so fucking serious about your religion? It's not like christians went on a killing spree when Monty Pyton - Life of Brian was released..

christian and islam are very different... if you know what it contains then you´ll know why they are so angry

[özgür]

I don't get it. The cartoons aren't new, they were first published in sept 04 or 05 (I don't remember). Why react now? And why be so fucking serious about your religion? It's not like christians went on a killing spree when Monty Pyton - Life of Brian was released..

christian and islam are very different... if you know what it contains then you´ll know why they are so angry

they are different ofcourse..... but islam allways says that "be good, dont fight, smile, be happy, be friendly.....etc" like christian but some fucking guys in islam always dont listen these orders and be terorist.... :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
they are bad boys like this :badboys:

[Ned]

christian and islam are very different... if you know what it contains then you´ll know why they are so angry

they are different ofcourse..... but islam allways says that "be good, dont fight, smile, be happy, be friendly.....etc" like christian but some fucking guys in islam always dont listen these orders and be terorist....
they are bad boys like this :badboys:
It was once said that religion is poison of man kind. They are true. But not entirely. The real religion, the one that teaches like you said, özgür, goodness, never fighting, smiling, happiness, friendship, all that, stays, like, underground, hidden from the public. Like a Kabbala prophet once said to a novice: "my son, never reveal what you are thought, your knowledge, because people have fondness for evil and once they get their hands on what you know, they will destroy every one around including themselves" (or something similar), refering to religious knowledge and every cryptic aspect of this world.
Refering to those "Djihad fighters", fighting in the name of Allah, I must say that they are under the influence of some sort of drugs or brainwashed. Every good muslim knows that this "Djihad" they are fighting is not the real "Holy War" once started in the Ancient times by the muslims, descendents of prophet Mahomed (Muhammad). The same goes with the fake christians, mind washed by these media subjects flying around the world. Like I said, the religion, meaning the fake one is poison for all of us. These riots can confirm what I said by now.

[loff]

Nestonia: Lets assume I don't, feel free to enlighten me about why they (as in the fanatics, not every single muslim ofcourse.. Just thought I'd make that clear if I didn't in the first post) are entiteled to be so angry and whack everything in their sight because of a cartoon.

"It was once said that religion is poison of man kind." http://trickstutorials.com/forum/images/icons/icon6.gif

[özgür]

you said that: " they are under the influence of some sort of drugs or brainwashed."

i think they are under influence of brainwashed but not drugs. They are so lonely people actually. they have not fond any way to be happy at life... And some fucked powers find them and affect them, wash their brains. if u look ur around, u will see some good people which are muslim, christian or javish or etc. .....religions neednt people but people need a true religion. with this rule, if somebody dont beleive in God, everybody must be respectfull. Everybody can beleive everything but can not be unrespectful... i think i am right, ?

[Ned]

Yes, you are right, respect has a lot to do with this.
And about the drugs, many said that there were some drug dealing issues back in the Golf War, which involved the Middle East and U.S.

[Le Fidèle]

I don't get it. The cartoons aren't new, they were first published in sept 04 or 05 (I don't remember). Why react now? And why be so fucking serious about your religion? It's not like christians went on a killing spree when Monty Pyton - Life of Brian was released..

christian and islam are very different... if you know what it contains then you´ll know why they are so angry

they are different ofcourse..... but islam allways says that "be good, dont fight, smile, be happy, be friendly.....etc" like christian but some fucking guys in islam always dont listen these orders and be terorist.... :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
they are bad boys like this :badboys:


religions change! the islam religeion has been revolutionized and has changed the way people believe and look at it. yes, i know that their religeion is suposed to be about peace, but that still doesnt change the fact of how extreme the religeion has become. . .

[Orion]

I remember when the planes hit the North and South towers on 9/11 (watched it live as I was watching CNN in the morning) and later on they showed poeple in the Muslim world jumping for joy in the streets . . . I remember as you all do to, how the terrorists praised god for his help in the attacks . . . Now those people that jumped for joy are rioting because they found the cartoons offensive to Muhammed . . . If they could only realize how offensive they themselves have been to God, they would realize that they are a carbon copy of the people they hate.

And for Christians and Muslims: Jesus said, there are those who believe themselves righteous because they believe in God, but they do not do his will. . . People have to realize that God and religion are not masks they can put on and take off . . . one of the reasons why people dislike Christianity so much is that they find it difficult to believe that the Son of God could be tortured worse than a dog and because what he says is so difficult to do . . . pure love and peace . . . to be perfect "as your father in heaven is perfect."

Riots will come and go just like wars . . . things will only get worse before they get better; it's inevitable because evil permeates the soul much more easily than goodness. We are all weak, and we have to look to the stronger for direction (and hope we subscribe to it or we will all be doomed) That is why I say to all Muslims . . . if someone tells you of the great satan and how they should be killed . . . do not doubt for one second that you are looking at the right hand of satan himself . . . leave immediately and find the Peace you get from the Koran, NOT from men who speak of evil deeds.

The same goes for Christians who mock Jesus . . . and believe themselves rightious when they are not . . .

Religion is not the problem if it teaches Peace . . . the real problem can sometimes be not more than a few inches away from the mirror . . .

I want Peace so bad that I sometimes break into a cold sweat . . . beleive me guys, worse times are comming . . . this is NOTHING the planet is getting tired and I can feel,it's almost as if the atmospheric pressure has multiplied 10 fold, and the air is as thick as morning fog . . . it's just around the corner . . . wait for it . . .


Hold Fast!

[Le Fidèle]

I want Peace so bad that I sometimes break into a cold sweat . . . beleive me guys, worse times are comming . . . this is NOTHING the planet is getting tired and I can feel,it's almost as if the atmospheric pressure has multiplied 10 fold, and the air is as thick as morning fog . . . it's just around the corner . . . wait for it . . .


Hold Fast!


are you being serisouse? and i dont mean to offend, but after reading all of that, and then seeing a 8) at the end of it. . made me laugh a little. . (talking about your sig)

is this one of those feelings you get?

[fallenONE]

I remember when the planes hit the North and South towers on 9/11 (watched it live as I was watching CNN in the morning) and later on they showed poeple in the Muslim world jumping for joy in the streets . . . I remember as you all do to, how the terrorists praised god for his help in the attacks . . . Now those people that jumped for joy are rioting because they found the cartoons offensive to Muhammed . . . If they could only realize how offensive they themselves have been to God, they would realize that they are a carbon copy of the people they hate.

And for Christians and Muslims: Jesus said, there are those who believe themselves righteous because they believe in God, but they do not do his will. . . People have to realize that God and religion are not masks they can put on and take off . . . one of the reasons why people dislike Christianity so much is that they find it difficult to believe that the Son of God could be tortured worse than a dog and because what he says is so difficult to do . . . pure love and peace . . . to be perfect "as your father in heaven is perfect."

Riots will come and go just like wars . . . things will only get worse before they get better; it's inevitable because evil permeates the soul much more easily than goodness. We are all weak, and we have to look to the stronger for direction (and hope we subscribe to it or we will all be doomed) That is why I say to all Muslims . . . if someone tells you of the great satan and how they should be killed . . . do not doubt for one second that you are looking at the right hand of satan himself . . . leave immediately and find the Peace you get from the Koran, NOT from men who speak of evil deeds.

The same goes for Christians who mock Jesus . . . and believe themselves rightious when they are not . . .

Religion is not the problem if it teaches Peace . . . the real problem can sometimes be not more than a few inches away from the mirror . . .

I want Peace so bad that I sometimes break into a cold sweat . . . beleive me guys, worse times are comming . . . this is NOTHING the planet is getting tired and I can feel,it's almost as if the atmospheric pressure has multiplied 10 fold, and the air is as thick as morning fog . . . it's just around the corner . . . wait for it . . .


Hold Fast!


The Muslims angry over the angry cartoons are not the same ones as the Muslims jumpig joy over 9/11 (even though some might be).

More Muslims are mad at the cartoons than there ever was those celebrating 9/11

[Orion]

I want Peace so bad that I sometimes break into a cold sweat . . . beleive me guys, worse times are comming . . . this is NOTHING the planet is getting tired and I can feel,it's almost as if the atmospheric pressure has multiplied 10 fold, and the air is as thick as morning fog . . . it's just around the corner . . . wait for it . . .


Hold Fast!


are you being serisouse? and i dont mean to offend, but after reading all of that, and then seeing a 8) at the end of it. . made me laugh a little. . (talking about your sig)

is this one of those feelings you get?

Do you mean the "Powered by ALizee 8) " ???

Yeah . . . I am getting a feeling right now :roll: hahaha

I don't know how to answer you. but, yeah, I was being serious . . . don't worry about the sig (Mark 13: 13, 35) Only I understand that bro

why I break into a cold sweat sometimes is my problem (honest) . . . things aren't pretty, and I'll just leave it at that.

laugh it up right now guys, you're going to need all the laughter you can get :cry:


I remember when the planes hit the North and South towers on 9/11 (watched it live as I was watching CNN in the morning) and later on they showed poeple in the Muslim world jumping for joy in the streets . . . I remember as you all do to, how the terrorists praised god for his help in the attacks . . . Now those people that jumped for joy are rioting because they found the cartoons offensive to Muhammed . . . If they could only realize how offensive they themselves have been to God, they would realize that they are a carbon copy of the people they hate.

And for Christians and Muslims: Jesus said, there are those who believe themselves righteous because they believe in God, but they do not do his will. . . People have to realize that God and religion are not masks they can put on and take off . . . one of the reasons why people dislike Christianity so much is that they find it difficult to believe that the Son of God could be tortured worse than a dog and because what he says is so difficult to do . . . pure love and peace . . . to be perfect "as your father in heaven is perfect."

Riots will come and go just like wars . . . things will only get worse before they get better; it's inevitable because evil permeates the soul much more easily than goodness. We are all weak, and we have to look to the stronger for direction (and hope we subscribe to it or we will all be doomed) That is why I say to all Muslims . . . if someone tells you of the great satan and how they should be killed . . . do not doubt for one second that you are looking at the right hand of satan himself . . . leave immediately and find the Peace you get from the Koran, NOT from men who speak of evil deeds.

The same goes for Christians who mock Jesus . . . and believe themselves rightious when they are not . . .

Religion is not the problem if it teaches Peace . . . the real problem can sometimes be not more than a few inches away from the mirror . . .

I want Peace so bad that I sometimes break into a cold sweat . . . beleive me guys, worse times are comming . . . this is NOTHING the planet is getting tired and I can feel,it's almost as if the atmospheric pressure has multiplied 10 fold, and the air is as thick as morning fog . . . it's just around the corner . . . wait for it . . .


Hold Fast!


The Muslims angry over the angry cartoons are not the same ones as the Muslims jumpig joy over 9/11 (even though some might be).

More Muslims are mad at the cartoons than there ever was those celebrating 9/11


It was more of a character type than about numbers, though. And all those Muslims jumping for joy at 9/11 will be more than happy to get upset over the cartoon fiasco too. I understand what you mean though, don't worry.

[Ned]

I don't know how to answer you. but, yeah, I was being serious . . . don't worry about the sig (Mark 13: 13, 35) Only I understand that bro

New Testament: The Gospel according to St. Mark. Right, Orion?
"Watch ye
therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house
cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in
the morning:"
The continue: (13:36)
"Lest coming suddenly he find you
sleeping."
This is exactly what Orion is refering when he says that worse times are coming. Refering for the end of days, the end of the world as we know it today.
Don't worry guys, the end of the world as we know it could be the beginning of another.
P.S.: "sleeping" means unprepared. :wink:

[Orion]

I don't know how to answer you. but, yeah, I was being serious . . . don't worry about the sig (Mark 13: 13, 35) Only I understand that bro

New Testament: The Gospel according to St. Mark. Right, Orion?
"Watch ye
therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house
cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in
the morning:"
The continue: (13:36)
"Lest coming suddenly he find you
sleeping."
This is exactly what Orion is refering when he says that worse times are coming. Refering for the end of days, the end of the world as we know it today.
Don't worry guys, the end of the world as we know it could be the beginning of another.
P.S.: "sleeping" means unprepared. :wink:

haha, how the heck did you manage to figure out that Mark 13: 13,35 is the Gospel of St. Mark chapter 13: verses 13 and 35??? Wow, you are a regular Sherlock Holmes Ned :roll: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :lol:

What I said in my posts had nothing to do with that scripture, although it can be applied

I appreciate your "help" Ned, but maybe you should let me be the one to tell people what I mean :P (oh shit . . . that sounded rude :lol: )

:what: I am NOT referring to the end of days, Ned. I am NOT one of "those." I was talking about something else, bro. Plese PM me next time you wish to tell people what I mean, first . . . thanks! :P

Though, as I said Ned, what you have said is also valid, but just not what I was talking about. You are WAY off :lol:


EDIT: Oh I forgot to thatnk you for the "sleeping" explanation you gave . . . . thank you, on behalf of everyone here :P

[Ned]

haha, how the heck did you manage to figure out that Mark 13: 13,35 is the Gospel of St. Mark chapter 13: verses 13 and 35??? Wow, you are a regular Sherlock Holmes Ned :roll: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :lol:


Haha! :lol: I'm no Sherlock, I happen to have the Bible at home, you know. When I saw your sig I knew it was something from the Bible so I took a little look, and I found what I just posted. :D
Ah, I have to apologize, Orion, I made a little mistake, I messed things up a little. Now I realise that what I said it wasn't exactly :roll: what you ment. Sorry! :cheesy: But with what the sig's implying I was close.

[Orion]

oh you were right on, if you take the words on the surface, though. Absolutely no need to apologize for anything . . .

:lol: I used all those smileys just in case you thought that I was talking down to you :wink: (phew)

[Achilles]

Seems like everyone thing u post starts an arguement sign....
And u know i never agree with u, but this time...
The hate not just WWII really, they are still being a bitch. I don't want to list the many things they are doing right now, pisses me off even when i think it. So reason we still hate him is that they are still being retarded not just WWII, that's my point. Achilles haven't argue with u for so long, any comment is welcome.

It was not that at all,I never want to make a word with anyone,we can meet here together is already god's bless,why I wanna fan hatred?You understand that as a Chinese I can't tolerate any statements which attack my country,I think I need to do sth ,right?I hope we 'll never argue anymore. :D


You know the new prime minister of Germany said the other day that "The nation who doesn't acknowledge its past will never have its future",everyone could see clearly what Germany has been doing compared with Japan,Japan has never confessed its evil to China as well as other Asian countries,haha,what distinct contrast between Germany and Japan,the leaders of Germay could kneel at front of Jewess' graves to confess ,but the fucking Japanese should worship the war-criminals as their gods ,the leaders of it should over and over again visit the "靖国神社"(sorry I just don't know how to express it,wishing u could tell me,and thanks)you see,so many mens on this forum argue that Chinese never forgive Japs and China shouldn't dwell on the past,but why Japanese always visit "靖国神社"?!Just look at what Germany has done!

[YCZ]

Seems like everyone thing u post starts an arguement sign....
And u know i never agree with u, but this time...
The hate not just WWII really, they are still being a bitch. I don't want to list the many things they are doing right now, pisses me off even when i think it. So reason we still hate him is that they are still being retarded not just WWII, that's my point. Achilles haven't argue with u for so long, any comment is welcome.

It was not that at all,I never want to make a word with anyone,we can meet here together is already god's bless,why I wanna fan hatred?You understand that as a Chinese I can't tolerate any statements which attack my country,I think I need to do sth ,right?I hope we 'll never argue anymore. :D


You know the new prime minister of Germany said the other day that "The nation who doesn't acknowledge its past will never have its future",everyone could see clearly what Germany has been doing compared with Japan,Japan has never confessed its evil to China as well as other Asian countries,haha,what distinct contrast between Germany and Japan,the leaders of Germay could kneel at front of Jewess' graves to confess ,but the fucking Japanese should worship the war-criminals as their gods ,the leaders of it should over and over again visit the "靖国神社"(sorry I just don't know how to express it,wishing u could tell me,and thanks)you see,so many mens on this forum argue that Chinese never forgive Japs and China shouldn't dwell on the past,but why Japanese always visit "靖国神社"?!Just look at what Germany has done!
All that can be sum up with 3 words, cao tmd riben.
but enough of this topic already.

[PayBays]

:shock:


wtf has riots to do with the Koran and the Bible...

omg what a knowledge here :oops:


* sneaks away *

[Ned]

:shock:


wtf has riots to do with the Koran and the Bible...

omg what a knowledge here :oops:


* sneaks away *
It has everything to do with them!
@Achilles:
In this world ruled by satanic sons of bitches, people worship them more then God. Satanic war lords are like masters to them. :x

[Jenny]

I remember when the planes hit the North and South towers on 9/11 (watched it live as I was watching CNN in the morning) and later on they showed poeple in the Muslim world jumping for joy in the streets . . . I remember as you all do to, how the terrorists praised god for his help in the attacks . . . Now those people that jumped for joy are rioting because they found the cartoons offensive to Muhammed . . . If they could only realize how offensive they themselves have been to God, they would realize that they are a carbon copy of the people they hate.

And for Christians and Muslims: Jesus said, there are those who believe themselves righteous because they believe in God, but they do not do his will. . . People have to realize that God and religion are not masks they can put on and take off . . . one of the reasons why people dislike Christianity so much is that they find it difficult to believe that the Son of God could be tortured worse than a dog and because what he says is so difficult to do . . . pure love and peace . . . to be perfect "as your father in heaven is perfect."

Riots will come and go just like wars . . . things will only get worse before they get better; it's inevitable because evil permeates the soul much more easily than goodness. We are all weak, and we have to look to the stronger for direction (and hope we subscribe to it or we will all be doomed) That is why I say to all Muslims . . . if someone tells you of the great satan and how they should be killed . . . do not doubt for one second that you are looking at the right hand of satan himself . . . leave immediately and find the Peace you get from the Koran, NOT from men who speak of evil deeds.

The same goes for Christians who mock Jesus . . . and believe themselves rightious when they are not . . .

Religion is not the problem if it teaches Peace . . . the real problem can sometimes be not more than a few inches away from the mirror . . .

I want Peace so bad that I sometimes break into a cold sweat . . . beleive me guys, worse times are comming . . . this is NOTHING the planet is getting tired and I can feel,it's almost as if the atmospheric pressure has multiplied 10 fold, and the air is as thick as morning fog . . . it's just around the corner . . . wait for it . . .


Hold Fast!

You know it's kind of funny someone brought this to my attention the other day; 10 Alabama churches were burned to the ground. But you don't see Christians uniting seeking to execute whoever it was. All you see is them trying to rebuild.

Now imagine if that were 10 mosques, you'd have what is going on right now, where tens of thousands of satan worshipers rioting.

[Le Fidèle]

YEAH!

WTF?!?!

i think they're just lookin for a fight. . .

and thre rest of the world is gunna give it to'em :twisted:

[Le Fidèle]

OH YES!!!!! YEAH BABY!!!!!

FINALLY!!! i hate how the news makes troops from any country look like ASS holes, becuase they were too brutal or cruel to their victims. . .especially if they're kids!

so then that makes them look hella stupid right?

well i'm glad these troops got their revenge!!!

i have found new respect for the english!!!!


and hey, i know i'm going to get flamed for putting this up. . . but things could have gotten worse. . . they could have killed them.


http://www.abum.com/show/12999/troops_beat_kids.html

http://www.abum.com/show/12999/troops_beat_kids.html

http://www.abum.com/show/12999/troops_beat_kids.html

http://www.abum.com/show/12999/troops_beat_kids.html


all the same link, but i did just cause!


(yeah yeah yeah, i know, well if you say the news makes the troops look bad, then how is this going to make them look anybetter)

my reply. . . i don't care! either way, the news fucks soldiers over all the time, every day. . . so why not get revenge :twisted:

those fuckers shouldnt have been throwing rocks in the first place, so they diserve every hit!!!

its okay for a little boy to throw a rock at soldiers without regaurd that maybe he might ACTUALLY kill the soldier. . . but its not okay for a soldier to return the favor? BULLSHIT!!!!!

[Emmerdale001]

Yeah, we lost Iraq a long time ago. If they're not killing US troops, they're settling old scores against each other. That government that sits in power in Baghdad now is beholden to Tehran. All those Shi'ites collaborate with the Mullahs in Iran. The Badr Brigade, the SCIRI (Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq), and the Mahdi Army are all Shi'ite outfits, and none of them like the US, and then there's the Sunnis who never liked us.

Hell, half the country now believes it's justified to shoot at and ambush coalition soldiers, and the vast majority of them want the US to set a timetable for withdrawal and get the fuck off their land.

To win a war against guerrilla fighters requires that one must win the hearts and minds of the civilian population in order to deny the fighters aid and shelter in the population. This was one of several lessons taught to me by my parents who are Vietnamese who lived through the Vietnam War, a war the US lost.

If I was on the ground, I would've advised the troops to capture and detain the kids until the parents could be brought in to get them. Beating them won't do any good and will make you lose the support of the community. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Revenge, in this case soldiers beating on kids and teens, brought no one any good, and in the end, it will reflect poorly on the coalition and on the US in the eyes of many Iraqis. If we lose the support of Iraqis all over the country, we lose the war no matter how long we stay or how many troops there are on the ground be it 150,000 or even 500,000. The end would be the same: Defeat.

If it has gotten to the point where even kids hate you to such an extent to toss stones at you on a daily basis, then you have already lost the hearts and minds of that community, which is a loss on all counts.

We should never have invaded Iraq.

[Black Star]

Le Fidele , posts like this one "The worlds coming to an end!" generates riots , religious wars and so on...
And in case you don't know , we are already in the WWIII.Read more about that here : http://educate-yourself.org/
You will feel like living in the Matrix so far...
Look for Ken Adachi's postings.Those are about the current WWIII.
And here is again about WWIII : http://www.threeworldwars.com/world-war-3/ww3.htm
Sorry to bring you the bad news...
Anyway , in this state of affairs , I think we should think of how to bring peace , and not the war...
Just my thoughts...:)

Best regards!

[Ned]

See, Le Fidele? This is getting worse everyday.
You guys might wanna take a look at this before starting any comments on WWIII: Free World Alliance (http://www.freeworldalliance.com/) .

[Orion]

I remember when the planes hit the North and South towers on 9/11 (watched it live as I was watching CNN in the morning) and later on they showed poeple in the Muslim world jumping for joy in the streets . . . I remember as you all do to, how the terrorists praised god for his help in the attacks . . . Now those people that jumped for joy are rioting because they found the cartoons offensive to Muhammed . . . If they could only realize how offensive they themselves have been to God, they would realize that they are a carbon copy of the people they hate.

And for Christians and Muslims: Jesus said, there are those who believe themselves righteous because they believe in God, but they do not do his will. . . People have to realize that God and religion are not masks they can put on and take off . . . one of the reasons why people dislike Christianity so much is that they find it difficult to believe that the Son of God could be tortured worse than a dog and because what he says is so difficult to do . . . pure love and peace . . . to be perfect "as your father in heaven is perfect."

Riots will come and go just like wars . . . things will only get worse before they get better; it's inevitable because evil permeates the soul much more easily than goodness. We are all weak, and we have to look to the stronger for direction (and hope we subscribe to it or we will all be doomed) That is why I say to all Muslims . . . if someone tells you of the great satan and how they should be killed . . . do not doubt for one second that you are looking at the right hand of satan himself . . . leave immediately and find the Peace you get from the Koran, NOT from men who speak of evil deeds.

The same goes for Christians who mock Jesus . . . and believe themselves rightious when they are not . . .

Religion is not the problem if it teaches Peace . . . the real problem can sometimes be not more than a few inches away from the mirror . . .

I want Peace so bad that I sometimes break into a cold sweat . . . beleive me guys, worse times are comming . . . this is NOTHING the planet is getting tired and I can feel,it's almost as if the atmospheric pressure has multiplied 10 fold, and the air is as thick as morning fog . . . it's just around the corner . . . wait for it . . .


Hold Fast!

You know it's kind of funny someone brought this to my attention the other day; 10 Alabama churches were burned to the ground. But you don't see Christians uniting seeking to execute whoever it was. All you see is them trying to rebuild.

Now imagine if that were 10 mosques, you'd have what is going on right now, where tens of thousands of satan worshipers rioting.

Jesus said that he will be tried and put to death in Jerusalem and yet he still went. Even when Peter told him that if that is so, then he must not go there, Jesus told him that Satan is saying these things . . . it just tells you that Jesus was on a mission; and Christians understand that (true Christians). He had to die for our sins . . . and so it makes sense that he forgave them while dieing on the cross and they spat on him and mocked him. But he did not say "I forgive you" He said "Father, Forgive them for they know not what they do." >>>"THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO"

That is why he made a new law. There has not been, nor will there ever be anyone greater than Jesus.

Yet "Christians" want to fight with Muslims and "Muslims" want to kill innocents and then thank God for it. THEY SIMPLY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO. It's not the real them; they are not the same soul that thier mothers once held in their arms. Certainly, if you were to put an infant Hitler with an infant Jew, I do not think that Hitler would attempt to throw gasoline and the other infant and then lite him on fire! NO, he would not . . .

So, to keep what's left of any decency in this world we must not resort to what others do because we know better. You people must do your part and they must do theirs, otherwise when the storm is over and the dust has settled we will all have blood on our hands and it will be difficult to distinguish between the bad and the ugly . . . because there won't be any good left.

Think of the bigger picture people . . . and though things might upset you, always know how things really are and how they should be; we cannot bring this world into any more chaos . . . it already has that

I don't know why but, why aren't you young teens getting together and telling everyone in the world that you do not want thier fallacies and idiocies to ruin your future . . . make a movement that will change things, do someting positive and never the negative . . . anything. let the terrorists and the haters and the criminals, whoiever they may be, do that bad things . . . you guys should always be about peace because it IS the good against evil . . . and evil wants you to resort to its level, even if your intentions are "good" that's how Satan will get a hold on this world

I knew an exorcist (he has passed on now) and he told me that he saw a demon on his chair squatting there when he got home from an excorcism. He has seen these things and he knew what the Vatican and the rest of the people will be in for. DON'T GET MIXED UP AND THINK THAT IT IS OK TO FIGHT BACK . . . BECAUSE "THEY" ARE COUNTING ON IT.

Just trust me on this guys . . . I know it's too much trust, but anyway . . . I have done my part here. ALWAYS FOR GOOD DAMMIT. Don't you guys see what's comming????? Don't lose yourselves.

[Ned]

Orion, there are movements of young people like you said, I believe in any country. These teenagers you're asking are not appropriate for that, others are. For example, in my country there is an anti-masonic movement, made especially of young people who are fighting every day, for a better life for us. The results? Thing are getting worse and worse everyday. The respect for one another, the love, friendship, every beautiful thing in this world fades away more and more. Why? It is ment ot be. Like I said, people have inclination for bad, evil things, risque even. They are more attractive. That's why we are heading in the wrong direction ever since the first sin. The Bible predicts the exact future for us. And this is what will happen, what the Bible says it will. So by starting a movement and opposing the majority is useless. Why? They are too little for this big world.

[Orion]

too little, if too little join. Besides it is not so they can change the world, it is so they won't fall into it's trappings. And you are wrong about our future in the sense that it is not going where you say it is and no one can do anything about it . . . otherwise Jesus is wrong?? Ofcourse not . . . the world changes within you and like Jesus was a beacon for all the troubled souls, those who change the themselves will become a beacon also. Don't underestimate the power because you see this "this" or "that" and the future seems grim. Each person MUST take unto themselves the weight of change that is to come, or it never will. We know the path, and in a world where everyone seems like they are for "me, myself and I," they are outnumbered by those who see the world differently . . . There are more people that appeal to goodness than there are people that appeal to all things negative. We are in need of a massive paradigm shift. And that's what I was referring to when I asked why the teens etc are not moving on their future. In a world where there is so much conformity of all kinds, people have to think differently and become nonconformists . . . you shall be eccentric and others will see you as very odd . . . and when this happens, you will know that you are doing something right . . . I wish I could put it into better words, but I would have to use poetry since I can express myself better there. Just keep in m,ind what I have said and all of you do your best.

DONT'T FORGET: whenever you begin to listen to your thoughts, just say to yourself outloud "STOP" and then you can realize and teach yourself to recognize when thoughts taske over . . . discard them all and just think of the here and now, This is but one test that will bring you to the nrealization of how much we are governed by our thoughts whenever we want to do something that is bad. I can't explain this to you as I would like, but just know that it is what it is.

Now I have to go . . .

[Ned]

If there are more people that appeal to goodness in this world then why the hell am I feeling so surrounded by all those stupid bastards that don't know shit about life and it's true purpose and meanings? Why do I feel that they overwhelm me with their number. Why the heck are they so uneducated, so stupid? Why the heck do they feel execration for everyone and everything? Why are they poisoning this world with their fake ideas about music, lifestyle, money, sex, education and with their fagget hair-dos derived from an old '80 hairstyle? Trust me, my country is full with them. And they are many and I am only one. We, good people feel sick when we see them on the streets, even. You romanians, you know what I'm talking about. They're all over the place. People like them represent hatred itself. These people are worse then a pit full of garbage. These people are more and more around us and loved by the public. This is the situation in my country. That's why I said that our world is going down the drain.
And btw, when I said that the world as we know it will end, I also ment that it will be carried on by a new different beginning.

[Orion]

you have said many things, Ned; but, with all do respect, you have said nothing. Just the same old clichés etcetera, etcetera, etcetera . . .

whatever you have said, it can never take away from what I said

btw, honestly, what are these people you speqk of in your country doing that is making you so angry and upset . . . some details . . . .and after you give me your details I will refer you to your inner self and then to what I have said earlier . . . if you see "lost" people, why should you let them make you lose yourself. Why should they be able to affect your liofe and not you theirs??? You pay too much attention to them and not to yourself and the real and honest Ned???????

Don't forget that the world is full of crap, but your goodness will never be subject to anyone's say so!!!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: I see that you have probably seen the "ruble in the jungle," right??

Well, they all said that Muhammed Ali would fall; that George Foreman is too powerful for him; that his time is up . . . But Ali showed them what he was capable of . . . brains over brawn . . . as in David and Goliath . . . you must take the same approach that Ali did . . . and if it wasn't for those idiots telling him that he had to go to war and join the army, he would have been a Christian still and not have subjected himself to those "nation of Islam" know it alls while in prison . . . the same way they got to Mike Tyson . . . everything is clear and undisguised. But sometimes we errect a veil over our eyes that blinds us to the truth . . . that people let go of themselves and let others do the thinking for them all because they had some hatred in their heart in the first place.

[Ned]

Most of these people I'm talking about in my country, Orion, are mainly teenagers, but young people with over 20 years of age. They are more ignorant then they used to be. Let me tell you some stories. There were some of them in a high-school in my city. Two girls started fighting over some boy. The others, what did they do? They filmed them fighting, with a cell phone with camera. The laughed, had a great time, while those girls where ripping their hair of, kicking and slaping each other. Nobody broke them up.
Another story:
Durring some class in another high-school, the teacher evaluated some student. The student didn't seem to care about the teacher's questions, and he started mocking her, laughing at her, and of course, another student in the class filmed the whole thing with the cell phone with camera.
I saw these on the news at the TV.
I know what you mean but trust me they used not to bother me few years ago, when this stupid trend appeared in Romania. Now they do. Because they are many more then they used to be. They show disrespect for everything that is valuable in our country, and when you are trying to talk to them they'll mock you, spit on you, laugh at you, and even throw mud at you (not literary speaking). They are now making me sick. I know I should be more self sufficient and lay low a little bit. I also know I should see this with better eyes, but now I don't as I used to be. I'm sorry, but it'll take more time for this bitterness inside of me to vanish.

[Orion]

there is nothing new here; I know how you feel. But, those are the least of your troubles, Ned . . . those people you speak of are nothing compared to the troubles of this world . . .you give them too much credit, because if anyone of them were to meet me in a dark alley, I would make them shit their pants and suck their thumbs asking for mommy.

It just pisses me off when idiots like that ruin it for others . . . they are nothing, and they do not have a clue as to what real trouble is, believe me, bro.

All I can say is that you cheapen yourself if you let them guide your emotions . . . in the immortal words of a Mafia Don, "F**k them"

[Ned]

Haha, :lol: yeah you are right about that. There are at least the problems of this world. The worst part is that some people (in my country) finds them cool. How stupid is that? :thumbdown:
Anyway, I'm in a very good mood today so I'll withhold myself from being affected by them. :cheesy:

[Achilles]

It has everything to do with them!
@Achilles:
In this world ruled by satanic sons of bitches, people worship them more then God. Satanic war lords are like masters to them. :x

But I'm sure that you are not the satanic son of bitch :D

[Ned]

Ofc I'm not! :wink: I believe in God, precisely not in the way many christians do, therefore my way, but I'm not that weak man who can be easily exploited along with my depravities (flaws). I'm a regular guy with belief in mighty forces of nature and in God.

[Black Star]

10 stars to you Ned!You are thinking just as I do and believe me , most peoples (normal peoples) do think this way...:)
Anyway , the end of world is inside us.If we will not fail , then nothing should get us down.
Or in other words , after you have defeated yourself , you will defeat anybody else.
As long as I am surrounded by nice people tha live nice lives , I will make no worry about the end of the world.When this will change , then...

I think that the aim of every human is to live a nice life in a society peaced with itself.

Best regards!

[Ned]

Once there was someone telling that if you hurt other people it will come back to you, and you will hurt yourself. Many people I know doesn't seem to know that.
I would like to know, although, who is responsible for those mocking cartoons on muslims. Who spread them around the world and why. But mostly how much did they get for doing that. Come to think of it what was their price for celebrity, because on many of the occasions one got to make a sacrifice for obtaining fame.
It' great that your on my side, Black Star! :thumbup:
And welcome to the forum! :wink:

[Black Star]

Yes , indeed it's a sad thing to march over other heads for your own celebrity.But this is the spectacle of the world...
You can not do too much on that.But this does not mean you are powerless...
You can do a lot on your own area/village/town to make people happy.
And if there will be a time when you will be more powerfull you may think again at the people bellow you...

[Ned]

I think that it's best if we only think and act among ourselves, not expanding our universe furthermore. Because the more we want the less we can handle. So best is to stick to our small world, among our friends, family (all the siblings). We have enough to learn from here.

[Azyriel]

I find the past to be very interesting but all the wars and religious crusades are completely asinine and even to this day religions to me seems fairly asinine, i am atheist yes but i don't hate on other people for there beliefs i just find it kind of stupid to see 2 human beings hate each other so much just because there beliefs differ. As for the riots and ww3 because of this... well i hope we get through it in one piece.

[Orion]

To know that people are being led astray, just look at the riots: people are burning things, killing people, calling for wars, disrupting the peace of others . . . all for what? > because someone made fun of Mohammed. As if that person has more powers than all of the Muslims put together . . . so much so that these people allow themselves to be led astray . . . MAny timeS I have heard Jesus be mocked (heck, they mocked him on the cross too); many times I have heard people use his name with such profanity that it made my skin crawl . . . but I did not run wild in the streets . . . NO, because I know why Jesus suffered on the cross, and everytime people mock him etc, they make me stronger and love him even more . . . Why? because I am reminded of the worth in HIS suffereing for us; I am reminded why , when he knew they were going to crucify him, he still refused to run and hide and go finish his mission to the cross . . . Jesus loves me so much that he did that for me and you, and I will not do what rioters are doing now . . . JESUS: "you would have no power over me if it had not been given you from above." ANyway, if Jesus didn't riot and call for heads to roll (and he was the one that was crucified and mocked), then I will not riot and call for heads to roll.

the point of all this:

THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PEACE AND WW3 . . .

^^if you look hard, many of you will find it between all those lines^^

[Ned]

After all, I am glad that there still are people, even here, that believes in love, peace and harmony. I do too. So I say to all of you: I love you all, guys! Peace to you, and to your family and friends! :cheesy: http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9651/63xn.gif

[Black Star]

That's true Orion , you are right!But you forget one thing : that the humans have an inner need for evil , for violence.Nietzche once said that when we will separate us completely from the evil inside us we will be completely destroyed.
Actually , in the current world , the religion does not actually matters as much as the violence.There are peoples out there that fanatically believe , but the most of them are just peoples that use religious turmoil only to express their own violence.Just look at the war in Nigeria...

[Ned]

That's true Orion , you are right!But you forget one thing : that the humans have an inner need for evil , for violence.Nietzche once said that when we will separate us completely from the evil inside us we will be completely destroyed.
Actually , in the current world , the religion does not actually matters as much as the violence.There are peoples out there that fanatically believe , but the most of them are just peoples that use religious turmoil only to express their own violence.Just look at the war in Nigeria...
Yes, when we will separate ourselves from the evil inside us, we will be completely selfdestroyed. It's better said. :)

[Le Fidèle]

without evil .. . .there would be no good. . .

and without a devil. . . there would be no god.

[fallenONE]

but there is always CHUCK NORRIS!


Riots over the cartoons seems to get worse and worse
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4732016.stm

[Orion]

After all, I am glad that there still are people, even here, that believes in love, peace and harmony. I do too. So I say to all of you: I love you all, guys! Peace to you, and to your family and friends! :cheesy: http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9651/63xn.gif

Hey, I wanted to say that :lol:


That's true Orion , you are right!But you forget one thing : that the humans have an inner need for evil , for violence.Nietzche once said that when we will separate us completely from the evil inside us we will be completely destroyed.
Actually , in the current world , the religion does not actually matters as much as the violence.There are peoples out there that fanatically believe , but the most of them are just peoples that use religious turmoil only to express their own violence.Just look at the war in Nigeria...

If Nietzsche “once said that,” then why do you say that, or do you not fully agree, and on what do you base your belief or disbelief on that premise? I think that Nietzsche would have been better at home talking about god and “duality.”

Sorry Black Star, but you have been inundated with fallacious philosophy/reasoning. There does not exist “an inner need for evil.” I would have loved to talk to Nietzsche about his psyche etc, so as to set him straight on a few things. All his reasoning on the matter in question comes from his own psyche, none of which is inherent universally in any one man, let alone the whole of civilization.

Hey, didn’t he actually fall in love with his sister???

without evil .. . .there would be no good. . .

and without a devil. . . there would be no god.

Evil is nothing more than the absence of good; evil is preceded by good. I think that where you guys mostly get mixed up is that you always tend to put things into a universal dependency on something else, just to get to a definition. Believe me there is no inherent NEED for evil . . . it seems like only people that do not know evil say that :lol:

[Ned]

Nietzsche based his beliefs on ancient kabalistic researches.

[Tyza]

Nietzsche based his beliefs on ancient kabalistic researches.

Oh .. I didn't know that. Interesting.

[Orion]

"kabalistic researches??" I don't think his psyche and life's work can be anchored to such researches, bro. But, as Tyza said, it is interesting and I would like to know exactly what type of research/foundation Nietzsche based his views on . . . Was it the observation of man? *shrugs*

[Ned]

"kabalistic researches??" I don't think his psyche and life's work can be anchored to such researches, bro. But, as Tyza said, it is interesting and I would like to know exactly what type of research/foundation Nietzsche based his views on . . . Was it the observation of man? *shrugs*
Two years ago I had a very pleasant conversation with a psychologist and philosopher from my country. He told me that, but didn't give me hour of details just that some Nietzsche's works, studies, researches were based on the kabalistic perception of the human being.
I later found out that that philosopher I talked to was also one of the biggest occultist in Romania, if not in Europe.
Kabala says that the human being has the inclination to evil from the inside of the one's being (subconscious maybe). That's why Black Star said about the inner evil of the human. They are evil, tend to do evil things, destructive, they are tempted to destroy things or beings around them and themselves too.

[Orion]

"kabalistic researches??" I don't think his psyche and life's work can be anchored to such researches, bro. But, as Tyza said, it is interesting and I would like to know exactly what type of research/foundation Nietzsche based his views on . . . Was it the observation of man? *shrugs*
Two years ago I had a very pleasant conversation with a psychologist and philosopher from my country. He told me that, but didn't give me hour of details just that some Nietzsche's works, studies, researches were based on the kabalistic perception of the human being.
I later found out that that philosopher I talked to was also one of the biggest occultist in Romania, if not in Europe.
Kabala says that the human being has the inclination to evil from the inside of the one's being (subconscious maybe). That's why Black Star said about the inner evil of the human. They are evil, tend to do evil things, destructive, they are tempted to destroy things or beings around them and themselves too.

The Kabala is wrong! We are inclined to be good, but when we lose ourselves, it does not eminate from inside us; once dormant, now alive. Since birth your mind has been inundated with negativity and positivity. Our forgetting who we are meant to be is just one small reason why we let certain things get to us. We are inherently beautiful creatures, but our minds fill with trash. Think of it this way: Imagine a blossom, beautiful and vibrant. Then step on it and smash it. As you look at it you will see that it has changed; that it is no longer beautiful. But you will also see that it is still a blossom, it's inherent qualities always present. You pick it up and then see if it has a scent. It still has, and it is even more powerful since all the oils have been let out. Now even it's apperant destruction is giving it some poetic beauty: a beat up blossom that fight it's own manipulation by outside sources . . . it fights on, not simply having a greater scent now, but also, it has managed to be poetic against it's own death: the beauty and saddness of its current state.

The world may change us and cause us to look ugly, but we are inherently beautiful and if some chose to believe otherwise, it is because they have never stopped to smell the blossoms.

Our faults come from being blind to this.

[Ned]

The Kabala is wrong! We are inclined to be good, but when we lose ourselves, it does not eminate from inside us; once dormant, now alive. Since birth your mind has been inundated with negativity and positivity. Our forgetting who we are meant to be is just one small reason why we let certain things get to us. We are inherently beautiful creatures, but our minds fill with trash. Think of it this way: Imagine a blossom, beautiful and vibrant. Then step on it and smash it. As you look at it you will see that it has changed; that it is no longer beautiful. But you will also see that it is still a blossom, it's inherent qualities always present. You pick it up and then see if it has a scent. It still has, and it is even more powerful since all the oils have been let out. Now even it's apperant destruction is giving it some poetic beauty: a beat up blossom that fight it's own manipulation by outside sources . . . it fights on, not simply having a greater scent now, but also, it has managed to be poetic against it's own death: the beauty and saddness of its current state.

The world may change us and cause us to look ugly, but we are inherently beautiful and if some chose to believe otherwise, it is because they have never stopped to smell the blossoms.

Our faults come from being blind to this.
Your opinion. I believe Kabala is right, and you missunderstood it. It doesn't say that we are all evil and "ugly" but it says that we have the need to do harm. This has always been proven.
The evil and the good are just elements in our journey to the light, or to the highest energy that created us. They are steps to our "evolution".

[Orion]

There is NO need to do evil/harm etc. No inherent need. Maybe you are not expressing it clearly :? I understand what you mean, just that it is wrong philosophy . . . . JUST philosophy :wink:

[Black Star]

"The Kabala is wrong! We are inclined to be good, but when we lose ourselves, it does not eminate from inside us; once dormant, now alive. Since birth your mind has been inundated with negativity and positivity. Our forgetting who we are meant to be is just one small reason why we let certain things get to us. We are inherently beautiful creatures, but our minds fill with trash. Think of it this way: Imagine a blossom, beautiful and vibrant. Then step on it and smash it. As you look at it you will see that it has changed; that it is no longer beautiful. But you will also see that it is still a blossom, it's inherent qualities always present. You pick it up and then see if it has a scent. It still has, and it is even more powerful since all the oils have been let out. Now even it's apperant destruction is giving it some poetic beauty: a beat up blossom that fight it's own manipulation by outside sources . . . it fights on, not simply having a greater scent now, but also, it has managed to be poetic against it's own death: the beauty and saddness of its current state.
"
Very poethic view (and romantic also) , but death is not romantic at all.For a good example of what I want to say , look at the death view of Luc Besson from the movie Joan of Arc - The Messenger.I am refering to the scene where Joan of Arc speaks with her own soul/conscience before being executed.

Yet , you can take these situations in consideration :

- you have a lovely wife , two childs and a beautiful life (that includes a nice career and big cash) , one day all changes because you career was too sensitive to some "extents" , you receive a warning from a well placed mafia boss to end your career or...
What you will do knowing that your career is what is most beautifull you can give?

- you have two girls , very cute and simpathic (something like Alizee).There comes a time when you will need to chose one?
What you will do?
And I give you two options :
never got into the relation even if you know that that is the most beautifull thing from your and the two girls lives
or
choose one of them (and how you will do that since the other one will suffer)

[Ned]

Very poethic view (and romantic also) , but death is not romantic at all.
Death is romantic, if you're refering to Romantism as a cultural trend.

[Orion]

Yes, death is Romantic (gothic . . . Dracula . . . Romeo and Juliette . . . <<different forms of it also

Ofcourse, Nights, Castles etc, are also Romantic, but I think that death has sort of a different romanticism about it.