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Excellence knows no age
29th January 2006, 04:25
...at some moment in life you are just stuck ... and then you need some help from your friends. I have reached that moment right now.

It started off in the "Wallpapers"-thread in the "Alizée Discussion"-forum. We had some little discussion on color definitions in which we could not agree. What is more fundamental than naming a color?!

The question is simple do you agree with these color definitions?

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8896/pink8ga.jpg

I have already casted my vote...

SOME MORE EXPLANATION ON THE POLL:

...well to start at the beginning: RMJ has made a new wallpaper with Alizée in dresses of different colors (see the "wallpaper"-thread in the "alizée stuff"-forum):

http://www.3rdw.net/alizee/wallpapers/rmjalizee_wallpaper_0023b_small.jpg

It started like this:
me: I like the rightmost salmon-colored one most.
RMJ: No, the rightmost is pink.
me: No, pink thats the leftmost.
RMJ: No, the leftmost is purple.
me: huh? :uh?:

They we set up a set of five colored blocks and named them:
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8896/pink8ga.jpg

I call these colors (as you can see):
pink
salmon
purple
violet
blue

But RMJ calls them:
purple
pink
violet
bluish violet (or reddish blue)
blue

...and we couldnt agree last night...

...(it was already past 3 in the mornin') so I decided to ask your opinions...

I think that this should make the poll more clear!

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9987/stupid4ex.jpg

RMJ
29th January 2006, 05:05
No. Simply because you are wrong. :)


Red:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/red
"Red is a color at the lowest frequencies of light discernible by the human eye. Red light has a wavelength range of roughly 630-760 nm. Lower frequencies are called infrared, or far red."



Salmon:
http://www.wordreference.com/definition/pink
"a reddish yellow or orange color, like that of the flesh of the salmon."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmon_%28color%29
"Salmon is a pale pink-red color, named after the color of salmon flesh. Actual salmon color varies from almost white to deep red,"



Pink:
http://www.wordreference.com/definition/pink
"a light shade of red"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink
"Pink is a color made by mixing red and white and sometimes described as being a light red, but it is more accurately a bright undersaturated red."



Purple:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple
"Purple is any of a group of colors intermediate between blue and red."
http://www.wordreference.com/definition/purple
"a chromatic color between red and blue"




Violet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/violet
"Violet refers to any of a group of reddish blue or bluish purple colors."
http://www.dictionary.net/violet
"2. The color of a violet, or that part of the spectrum farthest from red. It is the most refrangible part of the spectrum."
"3. In art, a color produced by a combination of red and blue in equal proportions; a bluish purple color."




Blue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/blue
"Blue is one of the three primary additive colors; blue light has the shortest wavelength range (about 420–490 nanometers) of the three additive primary colors. The English language commonly uses "blue" to refer to any color from blue to cyan."



And here's ROUGH color circle to show the place of pink and violet compared to blue, purble and red.
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3275/colorcircle7sv.jpg



I guess it doesn't need any more clearance. :wink:

Ekasra
29th January 2006, 05:32
I took advanced art this year and passed with quite a high mark on my exam. Seems about right, although the basic blue is a little darker and pink is supposed to be lighter

RMJ
29th January 2006, 05:36
I took advanced art this year and passed with quite a high mark on my exam. Seems about right, although the basic blue is a little darker and pink is supposed to be lighter
The problem isn't the luminosity of those examples. The problem is hue of them.

Ekasra
29th January 2006, 06:02
I took advanced art this year and passed with quite a high mark on my exam. Seems about right, although the basic blue is a little darker and pink is supposed to be lighter
The problem isn't the luminosity of those examples. The problem is hue of them.

ZOMG No ACC avatar!

RMJ
29th January 2006, 06:07
ZOMG No ACC avatar!
It's from her ACC performance at Dans La Lumiere...

Ekasra
29th January 2006, 06:08
ZOMG No ACC avatar!
It's from her ACC performance at Dans La Lumiere...

Yeah i jumped ahead, its the first time since you joined that it wasn't from the video. I'm behind on my preformance studying :P

RMJ
29th January 2006, 06:24
Yeah i jumped ahead, its the first time since you joined that it wasn't from the video. I'm behind on my preformance studying :P
I have had non-ACC avatars. Few times. But when I don't have ACC avatar I have ACC signature. :)

Nestonia
29th January 2006, 07:41
this is the first time i agree and i´m on your side Excellence

tern
29th January 2006, 11:03
I'm not really sure RMJ and EKNA are disagreeing... Oh well I vote... nothing!

I'm behind on my preformance studying :P

I could get a PhD in Alizée performances.

Greenie
29th January 2006, 11:09
^LoL
so what about the colours?
I think they r good...
:roll:

staos
29th January 2006, 13:06
what are you guys arguing about? Im so confused.

Tyza
29th January 2006, 13:08
what are you guys arguing about? Im so confused.

I don't understand it too. :uh?:

And btw: I've got all these colors in my sig and ava. Check it out. :D

AlizéeInMYHeart
29th January 2006, 13:09
seems correct for me, thou I know nothin' about colors :D

Excellence knows no age
29th January 2006, 20:41
I'm not really sure RMJ and EKNA are disagreeing...
what are you guys arguing about? Im so confused.
I don't understand it too. :uh?:

...well to start at the beginning: RMJ has made a new wallpaper with Alizée in dresses of different colors (see the "wallpaper"-thread in the "alizée stuff"-forum):

http://www.3rdw.net/alizee/wallpapers/rmjalizee_wallpaper_0023b_small.jpg

It started like this:
me: I like the rightmost salmon-colored one most.
RMJ: No, the rightmost is pink.
me: No, pink thats the leftmost.
RMJ: No, the leftmost is purple.
me: huh? :uh?:

They we set up a set of five colored blocks and named them:
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8896/pink8ga.jpg

I call these colors (as you can see):
pink
salmon
purple
violet
blue

But RMJ calls them:
purple
pink
violet
bluish violet (or reddish blue)
blue

...and we couldnt agree last night...

...(it was already past 3 in the mornin') so I decided to ask your opinions...

I think that this should make the poll more clear!



Pink:
http://www.wordreference.com/definition/pink
"a light shade of red"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink
"Pink is a color made by mixing red and white and sometimes described as being a light red, but it is more accurately a bright undersaturated red."



...I can not really figure out what you are saying here ... :wink:

...but what about the color of Lili's top in this picture:
http://www.alizee-forum.com/galerie/details.php?image_id=6435
RMJ you would call this purple, huh? and Annily's top pink?
Well, I call them pink and salmon

...and what about the color of the female gender symbol below the female ava's on this forum (look ^ at Juju's post above), you would call them purple ... why should they be purple? they should be pink...

...BTW I am not trying to be pathetic...I think it is not a big deal after all, but normally I always agree with RMJ's wisdoms...

this is the first time i agree and i´m on your side Excellence
well you'll see: in some time we will get along together quite nicely... :cheesy:

RMJ
29th January 2006, 22:18
Pink:
http://www.wordreference.com/definition/pink
"a light shade of red"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink
"Pink is a color made by mixing red and white and sometimes described as being a light red, but it is more accurately a bright undersaturated red."



...I can not really figure out what you are saying here ... :wink:

If you can't read English then there's very few ways to describe the difference between purple and pink...


...but what about the color of Lili's top in this picture:
http://www.alizee-forum.com/galerie/details.php?image_id=6435
RMJ you would call this purple, huh? and Annily's top pink?
Well, I call them pink and salmon

Both are shade of pinks. Not purple either of them.



...and what about the color of the female gender symbol below the female ava's on this forum (look ^ at Juju's post above), you would call them purple ... why should they be purple? they should be pink...

That symbol indeed is purple. The same color as the top most in your example (which you wrongly call pink).


...BTW I am not trying to be pathetic...I think it is not a big deal after all, but normally I always agree with RMJ's wisdoms...

It's not about someone's wisdom. It's about the definition of the colors. And as you can read from those links above, you don't know the definitions.

Calling purple as pink is like calling black as white.

Excellence knows no age
30th January 2006, 00:06
...but what about the color of Lili's top in this picture:
http://www.alizee-forum.com/galerie/details.php?image_id=6435
RMJ you would call this purple, huh? and Annily's top pink?
Well, I call them pink and salmon

Both are shade of pinks. Not purple either of them.


I know that you call pink and salmon both shades of pink, but Lili's top is almost identical to my definition of pink in the drawing. Lili's top is only lighter, but color intensity has nothing to do with the color naming you said. I think you are inconsist over here... :?



...and what about the color of the female gender symbol below the female ava's on this forum (look ^ at Juju's post above), you would call them purple ... why should they be purple? they should be pink...

That symbol indeed is purple. The same color as the top most in your example (which you wrongly call pink).


...well...why would it be purple...that makes no sense...girls => pink (for some reason) and it is the same color as Lili's top which you call "not purple". Now you are in real trouble... :?

Calling purple as pink is like calling black as white.

I agree with you on this! That's why it bothers me so much! :|

tern
30th January 2006, 02:05
RMJ: No, the leftmost is purple.
me: huh? :uh?:

They we set up a set of five colored blocks and named them:
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8896/pink8ga.jpg

I call these colors (as you can see):
pink
salmon
purple
violet
blue

But RMJ calls them:
purple
pink
violet
bluish violet (or reddish blue)
blue

In that case I believe EKNA is definitely right. The left-most Alizée is pink and is next to violet one. The far-right one is a salmon-orange type of color.

Bizz
30th January 2006, 02:11
I think It is the most stupid thread I view In the month

Congradulation !

RMJ
30th January 2006, 03:51
I know that you call pink and salmon both shades of pink, but Lili's top is almost identical to my definition of pink in the drawing.
No...In your drawing your pink has visible blue component in it. It makes it purble. Pink has no blue component that stands out (because it's equal to green component).

In color circle, pink is located in same sector as red. But it just lighter, more luminous shade of it.

Pink and red has same correlation as blue and light blue. They are same hue, with different luminosity. If you call pink purple, then I guess for you light blue is purple too ?

When you move from red hue to direction of blue, you will get purple (light purple, if you move from pink to direction of blue).

Can't you really see the blue component in your "pink" color ? It's clear as cloudless sky. Your "pink" is almost perfect magenta and that is complementary color of green. And also magenta is the purest shade of purple. And it is located 60 degrees from primary red (and light red, aka pink) to counterclock wise, to direction of blue.

Your "purple" and violet are excatly same color (violet). The "purple" is only about 35% more luminous than the violet. That makes your "purple" just light violet.


...well...why would it be purple...that makes no sense...girls => pink (for some reason)
Yes, it's unknown why it's purple as pink is usually used for girls. You can ask it from creator of this theme.


and it is the same color as Lili's top which you call "not purple". Now you are in real trouble... :?
No it isn't. The symbol has clear blue component in it (that makes it purple). Lili's top doesn't have blue component (because it's pink)

As you see, they are totally different color. Left one on image is too shades of the color of the symbol. On right is too shades of color of Lili's top. Top squares has same luminosities. Bottom squares has same luminosities. Left squares are purple (light purple). Right squares are red (light red, aka pink).
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1235/hue2kl.png

And even longer serie of shades of those two color. How can you call these same ? The upper one is obvious purple and the lover is pink. The upper matches the color of symbol (and you "pink") and the lower matches the color of the Lili's top (which is pink).
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9308/hue29cd.png


I agree with you on this! That's why it bothers me so much! :|
Why do you keep calling it wrong then ?

SeeMeRot
30th January 2006, 04:04
blah, blah, blah.......

u mix all the colors together and u get what?....

that's right......the color of turd...

Ekasra
30th January 2006, 04:07
So i'm ekna now eh?

Bizz
30th January 2006, 04:21
blah, blah, blah.......

Ahaha I cant say better

Talk a lot for say nothing

RMJ
30th January 2006, 04:39
blah, blah, blah.......

Ahaha I cant say better

Talk a lot for say nothing
Atleast the conversation has point.

Not like many others here...

Bizz
30th January 2006, 04:49
blah, blah, blah.......

Ahaha I cant say better

Talk a lot for say nothing
Atleast the conversation has point.


oh rly

What Is the Point

RMJ
30th January 2006, 04:55
Read the thread, maybe you will understand.

Le Fidèle
30th January 2006, 04:58
Blue is the sky

green is the grass

white is a white person

black IS NOT a black person, black is night And NOT purple.

simple as that.

Bizz
30th January 2006, 05:28
Read the thread, maybe you will understand.


you can't Say what Is the point .


lol J't'es Casser

http://www.alizee-forum.com/images/avatars/174064498243daa3e571b91.gif

tern
30th January 2006, 06:24
So i'm ekna now eh?

Nope, EKNA = Excellence knows no age

YCZ
30th January 2006, 07:00
Teal FTW , it pawns 8)

Ekasra
30th January 2006, 08:39
So i'm ekna now eh?

Nope, EKNA = Excellence knows no age

Im so confused :cry:

Le Fidèle
30th January 2006, 08:45
^DOn;t be!
just remember to put the lid up after using the toilet.

and to say goodbye when you greet someone. :cheesy:

Nestonia
30th January 2006, 14:49
blah, blah, blah.......

Ahaha I cant say better

Talk a lot for say nothing
Atleast the conversation has point.

Not like many others here...

most of them has point !!! and most of them doesn´t need it, it´s a forum !!!

Excellence knows no age
30th January 2006, 20:46
I think It is the most stupid thread I view In the month

Congradulation !

... I forgive you for the english (we always do) ...

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9987/stupid4ex.jpg

Bizz
30th January 2006, 23:29
Hey

Question

how to change the red colors of this car to Blue?

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1652/wall3188yn.jpg

Because Alizee Is more cute with blue background

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2483/wall3068do.jpg

Greenie
31st January 2006, 00:15
cute carz Bizz
buy them 4 me :cheesy: :mrgreen:
btw it's a good idea tho have Alizee's pic on car ^^

Excellence knows no age
31st January 2006, 09:50
how to change the red colors of this car to Blue?


... well Bizz you are making bold statements about the colors of these cars, man . . . I wouldn't dare to . . .

Achilles
31st January 2006, 10:08
Yeh,your avator really nice!

Excellence knows no age
31st January 2006, 11:51
Yeh,your avator really nice!

Achilles, you're my man!!! Finally some sensible comment on my new ava!!!

I think that Lili's beauty is best displayed in a picture that is as simple as possible...therefore I used only two colors (or one or three if you want to argue that white and/or black are/aren't colors, RMJ)...and I can't stress enough that it was inspired by Nestonia's previous sign.

... I posted it before but I just repeat it over here that I think you have the best sign ever! You know I like normal-life-Lili most (that's backstage and stuff) ...and this is really superb. Allthough it seems that she doesn't like to be filmed here...

http://www.alizee-forum.com/galerie/data/media/2/Stars__D_03.gif

If you look real close at the vid (and believe me I watched it for houres) you can tell that she isn't confortable by being filmed. You can tell it by all of her little facial expressions in the part that she turns her head: 1. her eyes turn faster that her head and she notices the camera; 2. that makes her eyebrows frown; 3. you see the "muscular convulsive movement" of her chin and mouth; 4. she blinks; 5. and shows restless eye movements ...

... anyhow ... did you know that you can tell more about someones emotions by looking at their mouth then at their eyes?

Achilles
1st February 2006, 07:27
Achilles, you're my man!!! Finally some sensible comment on my new ava!!!

I think that Lili's beauty is best displayed in a picture that is as simple as possible...therefore I used only two colors (or one or three if you want to argue that white and/or black are/aren't colors, RMJ)...and I can't stress enough that it was inspired by Nestonia's previous sign.

... I posted it before but I just repeat it over here that I think you have the best sign ever! You know I like normal-life-Lili most (that's backstage and stuff) ...and this is really superb. Allthough it seems that she doesn't like to be filmed here...

http://www.alizee-forum.com/galerie/data/media/2/Stars__D_03.gif

If you look real close at the vid (and believe me I watched it for houres) you can tell that she isn't confortable by being filmed. You can tell it by all of her little facial expressions in the part that she turns her head: 1. her eyes turn faster that her head and she notices the camera; 2. that makes her eyebrows frown; 3. you see the "muscular convulsive movement" of her chin and mouth; 4. she blinks; 5. and shows restless eye movements ...

... anyhow ... did you know that you can tell more about someones emotions by looking at their mouth then at their eyes?

Oh,my dear dude,how wonderful classification !Yes,I just can't dwell anymore on the pic,you are really expertive,and thanks for enjoying the same pic with me,yeh,you are the best!

özgür
3rd February 2006, 15:56
really so mixed... :cry: