This guy should design Alizée's new site!

[Snatcher42]

Wow, just... wow.

http://alizee.serveftp.com/

(Looks like the site has been around for awhile... since 2002 at least... but the webmaster jaxx_rr recently posting it on MFI was the first I saw of it.)

[ArlettyFan]

This site is totally mindblowing. I don't know if I should be scared, or if I should just stop thinking or existing next to this thing. This is like, the greatest webdesign lovecraft of Alizée i've ever seen. It's worth it to look in every single section on there, no matter how ordinary some of them are (biography, gallery, etc). The more you see, the more amazing it gets.

[tern]

Wow, that is some incredible flash'ing.

[Snatcher42]

He's a hell of a flasher! :wink:

Ok, here's why we hadn''t seen it before... it was offline for awhile:

[edit] I put my last Alizée website back online for ppl who didn't check it out, here it is:

http://alizee.serveftp.com/

Some stuff dont work anymore like the pics from the picture gallery and all but one bg tracks

[Tim]

Wow, that is some incredible flash'ing.
Heh, I thought you were talking to me for a second there!


The dedication it would take to make a site like that is amazing.

[Nestonia]

that man thought that everybody has some mega super swedish connection, it is slow as hell with my 1mb/s connection ... anyway, everything is moving, i hate moving pages and why they always add background music, it´s one of the most biggest stupidy !!!

3/10 - sry but it´s true, he has some skills but he can´t use them

[Snatcher42]

You can turn the music off and adjust the movement and size settings to your connection and liking. That's one of the beauties of this site: the customizability.

[Nestonia]

You can turn the music off and adjust the movement and size settings to your connection and liking. That's one of the beauties of this site: the customizability.

customizability - man, i hate sites with "customizability"... okey, my own site is made with flash but i like simplicity... it´s all about taste

[ArlettyFan]

That's besides the point. We understand your opinion of his site, and now the discussion of the site can go on.

The creator was simply trying to use as much of his expertise as he could. In that he succeeded, his site becomes more of an artform than a functional site.

[Nestonia]

That's besides the point. We understand your opinion of his site, and now the discussion of the site can go on.

The creator was simply trying to use as much of his expertise as he could. In that he succeeded, his site becomes more of an artform than a functional site.

discussion=opinion, opinion=discussion... anyway, then we can say: it´s more about art than site for her information

[Kyoshiro]

hehe.. that whole site is made with flash :P
That's pretty amazing...

[RMJ]

It's nice technologia demo but not something I'd hope website to be.

Slow to use, hard to find the info one is looking for.

Keep it simple people.

[Moco]

My thoughts exactly. I generally dislike Flash webpages because it seems like their creators seem to focus more on the "flash" than the substance. Sure it may be pretty to look at, but I wouldn't want to come back on a regular basis to get any information. Ease of use of a website is very important to me and I'm sure it is with most consumers. With many Flash sites, and this site in particular, it takes a few minutes to get your bearings and figure out how to get what you want. If it takes too long to figure just how to use a website, some people may become frustrated and just leave the site, and that's just not good for business. I'd much rather prefer simple graphics that would be more conducive to easy navigation.

[Draven]

That was a good looking site but little slow... I like things which are simple cause I'm simple too... :shock:

[maxt23]

I really don't like the website ... I prefer something simple ... you get lost in this kind of website.

[Bizz]

^Me too

But I know that web site has a part of art View

But I really dont like that web site

[maxt23]

I always hated flash website ...

A website if suppose to have an easy interface ... but that's absolutly not the case.

[Nestonia]

I always hated flash website ...

A website if suppose to have an easy interface ... but that's absolutly not the case.

not all of them are bad... some flash sites without complicated animations and ram eaters are pretty good

[Steve]

Not a fan of Flash either, its slow and i dont have the time to sit round for it too load blah blah

All Alizee sites are the same to me, I have really come across anything that makes one site stand out from another, the info on them is all the same. Probably the more simple the better.

[Draven]

All Alizee sites are the same to me, I have really come across anything that makes one site stand out from another, the info on them is all the same. Probably the more simple the better.

yep! good thinking! I must agree with you..

[RMJ]

not all of them are bad... some flash sites without complicated animations and ram eaters are pretty good
Flash is always bad if it's needed to browse the site or to see the info on it.

Using flash to replace some images is ok. But using it as navigational element or info element is big no.

If used as navi then it must have non-flash fallback option for browsers that doesn't support it. And updating both is time consuming and most websites lacks on this.

Using it as info element means people who don't have flash support don't see it unless it again has html based fallback option. Also to be noticed that flash pages info doesn't get indexed in search engines which makes them out of reach for people who are looking information.

[Nestonia]

not all of them are bad... some flash sites without complicated animations and ram eaters are pretty good
Flash is always bad if it's needed to browse the site or to see the info on it.

Using flash to replace some images is ok. But using it as navigational element or info element is big no.

If used as navi then it must have non-flash fallback option for browsers that doesn't support it. And updating both is time consuming and most websites lacks on this.

Using it as info element means people who don't have flash support don't see it unless it again has html based fallback option. Also to be noticed that flash pages info doesn't get indexed in search engines which makes them out of reach for people who are looking information.

www.nestonia.pri.ee

[Bizz]

^
that is a good web site

I think one of the best in the net

[RMJ]

not all of them are bad... some flash sites without complicated animations and ram eaters are pretty good
Flash is always bad if it's needed to browse the site or to see the info on it.

Using flash to replace some images is ok. But using it as navigational element or info element is big no.

If used as navi then it must have non-flash fallback option for browsers that doesn't support it. And updating both is time consuming and most websites lacks on this.

Using it as info element means people who don't have flash support don't see it unless it again has html based fallback option. Also to be noticed that flash pages info doesn't get indexed in search engines which makes them out of reach for people who are looking information.

www.nestonia.pri.ee
Yes, very good example of site that uses flash in wrong place. The site doesn't have anykind of fallback option in case the flash isn't available. What's the worst, Google doesn't index it's content.

The site could have been built with HTML and CSS and it would look pretty much the same (excluding couple effects that aren't even relevant for the content) and still be browsable even on text based browser and the info would be available in search engines.

The site is more clear than the other flash site, tho. This one hasn't gone too far on the use of effects.

[November]

When I go to a website and the "loading" bar is the first thing I see, by the time it reaches 100%, my blood has reached its boiling point. No content is worth me waiting the time I have to wait with my 1MB for, I want to see the content NOW so I can see if I want to get the hell out of there already.

Yes, I have issues with Flash. And don't even get me started on background music... :x

[Snatcher42]

It's nice technologia demo but not something I'd hope website to be.
Slow to use, hard to find the info one is looking for.
Keep it simple people.

My thoughts exactly. I generally dislike Flash webpages because it seems like their creators seem to focus more on the "flash" than the substance. Sure it may be pretty to look at, but I wouldn't want to come back on a regular basis to get any information. Ease of use of a website is very important to me and I'm sure it is with most consumers. With many Flash sites, and this site in particular, it takes a few minutes to get your bearings and figure out how to get what you want. If it takes too long to figure just how to use a website, some people may become frustrated and just leave the site, and that's just not good for business. I'd much rather prefer simple graphics that would be more conducive to easy navigation.
it´s more about art than site for her information
Exactly, but what's wrong with that? All you guys seem to be looking at this too practically. Yeah, it's not the easiest thing to navigate, but the goal of a website doesn't always have to be functional maximization. Personal expression of the creator can be the main thing. The same way a good movie is often elliptical and not at all straightforward. Sometimes you may even have to watch it multiple times before understanding everything. This site's like that. I could see it set up at a kiosk in a modern art museum. Style over substance also makes sense for a fansite which doesn't regularly update content or news, since it's basically just another form of tribute like our fan videos.

[RMJ]

Exactly, but what's wrong with that?

The problem is excatly that. It's unusable.

The pretty candy can attract some people but it scares even more people away from the site. This is why BIG sites always uses layouts that works well and fast for most of the people without beeing dull.


All you guys seem to be looking at this too practically. Yeah, it's not the easiest thing to navigate, but the goal of a website doesn't always have to be functional maximization. Personal expression of the creator can be the main thing. The same way a good movie is often elliptical and not at all straightforward. Sometimes you may even have to watch it multiple times before understanding everything. This site's like that. I could see it set up at a kiosk in a modern art museum. Style over substance also makes sense for a fansite which doesn't regularly update content or news, since it's basically just another form of tribute like our fan videos.
You have point but you are comparing wrong things. Compare artist's official site to TV document. Not to movie.

Movie is made to be art. TV document is made to be source of information.

Fan site sure can be movie. Nothing wrong with that. But if you make it movie then don't expect people to come to look info from it. They can get the info from the documents (the official site, and the fansites that are done in more informative way; like AF.com or Homer's site).

And you are right, those flash site's right place is museum of modern art. Not world wide web. Or WWW can be used museum for them (but they shouldn't be used to be sites to deliver information).

If I want to look at art on the net, I'll go to (f.ex.) deviantart.com . If I look for information, I go to google and type in what I need to find and then I don't expect to get dragged in to 3 hours movie to find the information.

So, don't get me wrong. I sure can enjoy the art but if I know when the next album of Alizée is coming out I don't want waste my whole day to get that little piece of information (well... I kinda do that anyways... Even without flash sites :P ). Think about if someone had the idea to turn wikipedia into flash site... How quick you think it would die? (Ever used Encarta DVDs? If you have, then you'll know what I mean...).

[Snatcher42]

Compare artist's official site to TV document. Not to movie.
But this isn't an official site. I think your taking the title of this thread too seriously. It was just my way of saying that I think the site is really incredible, which as a piece of art it is. This guy seems to have skills too, so I bet he could make a more functional official page if he wanted. But that wasn't the main point, which was just that I think this page does very well what it sets out to do.

[KneeDeep]

This guy is good. I hope it's more than a hobby. He could make some big bucks for web design work like this.

[RMJ]

Compare artist's official site to TV document. Not to movie.
But this isn't an official site. I think your taking the title of this thread too seriously. It was just my way of saying that I think the site is really incredible, which as a piece of art it is. This guy seems to have skills too, so I bet he could make a more functional official page if he wanted. But that wasn't the main point, which was just that I think this page does very well what it sets out to do.
Yes, I really thought that as the topic says so.

The quote above is bit misleading, too. I didn't ment just the official site but all the informative sites (like I later mention AF.com and Homer's site). My mistake.

And as I said, it's ok fan page to be like this. But it's never will be main stream page. It has it's own limited users and that's it. It has no way to grow to be major site. Technical reasons prevents that.

[Snatcher42]

Yes, I really thought that as the topic says so.

The quote above is bit misleading, too. I didn't ment just the official site but all the informative sites (like I later mention AF.com and Homer's site). My mistake.

And as I said, it's ok fan page to be like this. But it's never will be main stream page. It has it's own limited users and that's it. It has no way to grow to be major site. Technical reasons prevents that.
Yeah. True, true. But as you've observed, this isn't trying to be one of those informative sites. Sorry if the topic was confusing. I kind of meant it in the sense that if this guy can make this type of site so well, he's probably capable of doing other things very well also. Maybe not, but he seems the type who fully realizes his vision (I always find that impressive). Though I never meant to say I'd want the official site exactly like this!

[RMJ]

Yeah, well... I'm happy with the conversations as long as we can agree that informative site shouldn't be like that. :)

It just scared the hell outta me when you said that this guy should design the site, as I thought, you would have liked it to be alike. Gladly I was wrong. :)

Years (since very early 90s) spent in the web has made me perfectionist when it comes to surfing on the net. Nothing annoys me more than unstandard, unbrowsable or other way hard to use website. But said, I'm talking about informative sites, not of those which are ment for art (I enjoy art in every form and this isn't exception).

[Orion]

mieh, I don't think the site is that good . . . it has some nice features, but they get diminished by the time consuming flash graphics . . . and even they are pretty dull, imo. If you guys want to build a beautiful website, then use Photoshop CS2 for the design . . . I am jotting down what I want to do and if I can manage what my imagination is showing me, then I will make waves on this surfer's net . . .

[higa323]

whoa that site is awesomely made i give him props for the design

but yea something not to complicated is better

[Ekasra]

its a nice site, but i prefer the old one better :D

[Nestonia]

not all of them are bad... some flash sites without complicated animations and ram eaters are pretty good
Flash is always bad if it's needed to browse the site or to see the info on it.

Using flash to replace some images is ok. But using it as navigational element or info element is big no.

If used as navi then it must have non-flash fallback option for browsers that doesn't support it. And updating both is time consuming and most websites lacks on this.

Using it as info element means people who don't have flash support don't see it unless it again has html based fallback option. Also to be noticed that flash pages info doesn't get indexed in search engines which makes them out of reach for people who are looking information.

www.nestonia.pri.ee
Yes, very good example of site that uses flash in wrong place. The site doesn't have anykind of fallback option in case the flash isn't available. What's the worst, Google doesn't index it's content.

The site could have been built with HTML and CSS and it would look pretty much the same (excluding couple effects that aren't even relevant for the content) and still be browsable even on text based browser and the info would be available in search engines.

The site is more clear than the other flash site, tho. This one hasn't gone too far on the use of effects.

but i need those couple of efects, tho, okey !!!

[dnmgch]

:cheesy: My connection speed is fine anyway, i quite enjoy the site........

[maxt23]

I'll be studying in multimedia next year (photoshop, videos, websites ...)

I hope I'll learn a lot of things so I can create a really good website about Alizée. That's one of my objective.

[jaxx]

I'll be studying in multimedia next year (photoshop, videos, websites ...)
I hope I'll learn a lot of things so I can create a really good website about Alizée. That's one of my objective.

Rock on maxt! I didn't have a clue about design or programming when I started .. but I got more experienced over time (or did I? :shock: )

Ok ppl get ready cause there are going to be some long phrases up in this mf. (and I dont mean mylene farmer) :D

Well first of all I want to thank you guys for the kind and not so kind ( but onest, and seeing-through-my-flaws ) comments, and yes I work as a webdesigner/programmer, actually belive it or not, this site got me the job so it's not all that bad even if it was kind of an experimental site, and a diffrent-stuff-that-dont-fit-together-but-looks-nice-with-lots-of-things-I-borrowed-and-huge-time-and-resource-consumer kind of site... but nevertheles you must know I worked about three months on it and there where times when I got up in the morning and started working on the website and when I looked at the clock again it was late at night and I eat and went to bed so I guess something drove me to be that obsessive/passionate, if it's either the desire to be artistic or (as I remember her) the cute young girl that changed my life .. I dont know exactly what it was, maybe a bit of both.. anyways I hope it was the kickstart for at least a handfull of other people to be like this and inspire away :cheesy:

ps:
-I made a small change to the site for the impatient ones, a warning message.. I often thought about placing it on the site but never did it because... I didn't think it would look good.. turns out I was right :)
Now i'll leave it for a while, dont know exactly why either.. but anyways .. it's really intended just for the people who are able to see it.. cause if u have a good connection it will dissapear really quick :P

-Anyways, snatcher42 said some stuff that would also be my point after a long while of meditation, cause I'm not a verry spontaneous person and I dont often have a good point, but moreover fact is that if you, snatcher, are not a film or media critic, I think you should be :!: :) And this is not only me praising you back.. or cause ur an mod, it's cause u wrote stuff that made me ralise things about me that I did not see in my rush, and I did not give them meaning, nor purpoise, I just took it all for nonsense and granted. I dont know if that all makes sence cause it doesn't make that mutch sence to me now that I read it, but I guess u know what i mean in general ...
So, thanks! :)

[Akbar]

The site is quite impressive in my opinion. I especially like the mp3 player - an inovation in comparison with the overall Alizee fansites. But I wouldn't like this site to be similar to the official one (like Snatcher said) , and it is a little harder to browse like some guys said. Overall - I am thrilled with this one!!! Keep up the good work jaxx, I'll be browsing pretty often your site. :roll:

P.S. : The pictures are not as big as I expected :wink:

[Ned]

Come to think of it, the newest design patterns ask for the designers to know Flash quite well. I have a question, though. Jaxx, are you romanian? :=D:

[jaxx]

Come to think of it, the newest design patterns ask for the designers to know Flash quite well. I have a question, though. Jaxx, are you romanian? :=D:

That's a positive, Ned ..uh.. roger and out
:D

[Ned]

Hahaa! :lol: Great! :cheesy: I'm even more proud! Great work, jaxx! :thumbup:

[DavidisaDuke]

Hey jaxxx! I talked to you about your site awhile back on the Kam's WinMX download channel. Does she still operate that thing?

[monkeygod]

Oh hey, i remember this site from like a year and a half ago, if im not mistaken. Either that or it looks remarkably like the one i saw a year and a half ago. Back then, most of us were hanging in the DC++ hub instead of IRC.

I remember there was another Flash Alizee site too, that required like a 1.5 ghz machine and 1 gb of ram to run properly; crazy. Wish i remembered the URL to it.

[jaxx]

Hey jaxxx! I talked to you about your site awhile back on the Kam's WinMX download channel. Does she still operate that thing?

Not sure.

I remember there was another Flash Alizee site too, that required like a 1.5 ghz machine and 1 gb of ram to run properly; crazy. Wish i remembered the URL to it.

I wanna see it too! :)

[Snatcher42]

Kam's a "he"... most of the time. :) And yeah, the channel is still around, though mostly being managed by Cannon these days.

but moreover fact is that if you, snatcher, are not a film or media critic, I think you should be :!: :)
Whoah, weird you should say so, because I'm currently a senior Film and Media Studies major looking for some kind of job just like that. So thanks! Know of any open positions for me? :wink:

[Piece Of Paradise]

The site is like the James Bond of websites. There are so many things flying around and moving here and there. Quite nicely done.

[jaxx]

actually the last version was called v3 because there where two other versions..

this is version 1 made in 2002, some of you might remember it :)
http://www.jaxx.as.ro/alizee/a1swf/starthigh.html

i'll refurbish version 2 this week when I have some free time

[ArlettyFan]

Jaxx, what is the music that plays in the backround of your webring section? I love it!

[rka]

too laggy... the song cant even play right because the flash is killing the cpu.

Every site has to be user friendly. not user friendly...hell with the site...

a nice normal HTML with some flash works wud b great...

the guy has skills but used them bad

[Ned]

too laggy... the song cant even play right because the flash is killing the cpu.

Every site has to be user friendly. not user friendly...hell with the site...

a nice normal HTML with some flash works wud b great...

the guy has skills but used them bad
No, no, don't say that! :) It depends on how slow your computer is, not because of Flash.

[rka]

amd 2800+ 1 gig and a nioce gaming graphic card shud do just fine...but it's nearly full screen...it just lags...

my school p3 cpu's wud smoke with this flesh

[Nestonia]

too laggy... the song cant even play right because the flash is killing the cpu.

Every site has to be user friendly. not user friendly...hell with the site...

a nice normal HTML with some flash works wud b great...

the guy has skills but used them bad

lol, i was waiting for such post :D