why do the french and americans hate each other?

[iHaVeIDOLFEVER]

I'm just curious.. thanks to anyone who can help :)

[Draven]

If you watch Hollywood movies, you will find that usually the bad guy is French or has that kind of accent.. :roll:

[Nestonia]

spade yelling at caldron, but both of them are dirty - proverb

[Takran]

Really? Never noticed that... hmm.

I've always been under the impression it's because of the opinion that the French people are too sissy to help out (recently, because they didn't agree with the war in Iraq, never mind that they helped in Afghanistan). It's an old stereotype that was never really true in the first place.

Also, French people may hate Americans less than you think. They'll hate you if you hate them, but if you're not a stereotypical American, then they won't treat you stereotypically. This is not from direct experience, only what I've heard from people I know.

[ArlettyFan]

I've seen a few French foreign exchange students around. They don't seem to hate us, but maybe that is just because they are too le tired. :D

[MightyMaréchal]

its complicated really.. I also wonder why.. but some dont have anyproblems..

Anyways, it doesnt only apply to the Americans, also the UK and some Australians have been known to be quite negative with the French...

You will be amazed at the jokes they put on the french.. unimaginable...

Ill try to give you some..

Some might say the hate between England and France is the most lasting. Why?? wars gentlemen, the wars.. One war for sure was that Hundred years war. And then, what led after that through the centuries.. 17, 18 and 19th centuries did see hostilities between the two nations..

After Napoleon, France was crumbled, and was treated harshly, and that aslo causes the hate etc.. So most of the hate is with England...

America? well France helped the usa agains England in the war for independence and even gave them the statue.. But they were enemies just before that in the seven years war.

Anyways, the problems then came also during ww2... everyone started to make fun of the French military. Ever heard of "who do you want to be, the nation who we kicked their asses?? or the nation which we saved their asses?" Americans saying that meaning about the Nazi and France..

Then the politics of thesedays... and then :cheesy:

to me, I aint got no problem with the French people.. actually know a few :afro:

8)

[Ekasra]

We can also have these topics in here:
Why does french canadians(Bizz) hate english canadians(Me)
Why does french canadians(Bizz) hate france french(them)

[Bizz]

Ok the historic reason of why english and french hate each other

I say in french

Les Anglais ont toujours considéré les Français, dont ils Jalousent par Ailleurs Les femmes, La nourriture, La geographie et le climat, Comme leurs de prédilection.
la conquête de la nouvelle-france n'est qu'un épisode de cette rivalité millénaire. Elle Remonte au temps de Guillaume de normandie qui, en conquérent l'Angleterre avec ses barons en 1066, imposa une cast militaire Franco.
Durent La guerre de Cent Ans, De 1337 à 1453, les Anglais voulurent remettre aux Français la monnaie de leur pièce en tentant de s'emparer du trône de France en établissant des zones d'influence sur le continent.
Ext Ext ext...

les conflits colonieux du 17 et du 18 siècle' l'appui de la France à l'indépendance américane, la révolution française et l'épopée napoléonienne Maintinrent à un sain niveau l'animosité réciproque.
///////////////////my translate///////////////////////
The English always considered the French, of which they Jalousent in addition women, food, geography and climate, Like theirs of predilection. the conquest of news-France is one episode of this thousand-year-old competition. It Goes up at the time of Guillaume of Normandy which, conquérent of it England with its barons in 1066, imposed a military cast Franco. Last the One hundred Year old war, From 1337 to 1453, the English wanted to give to the French the currency of their part while trying to seize the throne of France by establishing zones of influence on the continent. Ext. Ext. ext....
the colonieux conflicts of the 17 and the 18 century the support of France to independence américane, the French revolution and the Napoleonean one Maintained on a healthy level reciprocal animosity.

That is the orrigine of the Hate
Who can translate that with good english

for american
I think American Hate french because they are Fags.(for me it is my reason)

[crazy]

i have no problem with the french.

[Nestonia]

i have no problem with the french.

because you´re not an american

[SeeMeRot]

the French hate Americans cause we're arrogant...
Americans hate the French because they stink...










don't get ur panties in a bunch.....I'm just kidding......

in reality it's ignorance and arrogance on both sides...

[Bizz]

I have the real reason for english and French hate each other

The English always considered the French, of which they Jalousent in addition women, food, geography and climate, Like theirs of predilection. the conquest of news-France is one episode of this thousand-year-old competition. It Goes up at the time of Guillaume of Normandy which, conquérent of it England with its barons in 1066, imposed a military cast Franco. Last the One hundred Year old war, From 1337 to 1453, the English wanted to give to the French the currency of their part while trying to seize the throne of France by establishing zones of influence on the continent. Ext. Ext. ext....
the colonieux conflicts of the 17 and the 18 century the support of France to independence américane, the French revolution and the Napoleonean one Maintained on a healthy level reciprocal animosity.


But for american I really dont know
American always make joke about French Frog Fag
The FFF JOKE

[maxt23]

We can also have these topics in here:
Why does french canadians(Bizz) hate english canadians(Me)
Why does french canadians(Bizz) hate france french(them)

If we, the french canadians hate the english canadians ... it's because they stole our country.

We have nothing to do with Canada. Quebec should be a country.

We've been conquered by the french, not the english. We have nothing to do with the queen lol ...

We, french canadians, doesn't hate french people from France ... well, if I would have the choice, I would prefer France from Quebec. I have a huge admiration for this country ... they're our cousins after all.

[Bizz]

I french of france

Because I known many French France whan I live in notre dame de grase (in montreal)

and they are real fag

I canot support them :evil:

[YCZ]

If we, the french canadians hate the english canadians ... it's because they stole our country.

Who's they the british? Well they were at Canada at the same time as the french so really is not who stole from who.

We have nothing to do with Canada. Quebec should be a country.

Does that make sense? U live in Canada.

We've been conquered by the french, not the english. We have nothing to do with the queen lol ...

Canada is a multicultural country. Really, not that many people can relate to the queen...
Will Quebec finally get sepreated from Canada?
who knows, probably if the government keep screwing up.

[Bizz]

ycz Reads the Books of Normand lester

you will be understand all

[maxt23]

We've been screwed by the english for so many years. It's that simple. And it still continues.

We'll never be free. France should've done something when it was the time.

[Señor Villa]

I think that some Americans tend to be arrogant when they travel to other countries thinking the "American Way" is the "Best Way". I go to France once a year and I hear some Americans say in America we do not do this or do that. But sorry you are not in America. So stay home if you want the American hamburger. Also traveler's need to learn some basics in the native language where they are travelling to instead of thinking everyone speaks English. I speak a little French but I try and I am respected by French people. I have never been mistreated by no one because I go to learn other countries customs and cultures and respect their way of life.
Maxt23, I do not think Quebec could survive being their own country just like a long time ago New York City wanted to be its own separate state. Canada has been ranked the last few years in the top 5 best countries to live in the world so the province of Quebec and the rest of Canada need to be together to remain strong and stable.

[Bizz]

max do you read the book Le livre noire du canada anglais

I bought the tome 1 and 2

it is really good

p.s
faut vraiment tu lit ces livre a normand lester
Cest terrible comment Cest interressent

Moi qui lie jamais Jarret pas de lire asteur

avec ça tu peux vulgariser et mettre des preuve a lapuie de tes opinions

[staos]

differences in opinions

[crazy]

ummm...Nestonia, hawaii is a part of the US

[Nestonia]

ummm...Nestonia, hawaii is a part of the US

i know, but i thought that it´s not connected with usa... !!!

[Bizz]

Yo

somepeople hate french beaucause

they always Talk noisy
and always say its opinion of thing they dont know

[crazy]

so alaska isnt connected with the continental US. does that make them non american? whatever affects the US affects us too.

[Nestonia]

so alaska isnt connected with the continental US. does that make them non american? whatever affects the US affects us too.

man, u didn´t got the point, i didn´t told that hawaii isn´t part with usa... aah, that´s impopssible to explain, smth like "symbolic sentence"... like that bizz stuff, french canadian and english canadian... anyway, it´s offtopic, so, let´s just forget it, okey

[crazy]

sorry if i seem mad, i just get kinda angry when we go through the hardships and problems of being apart of the US and people dont even consider us apart of it.

no hard feelings

would you believe that there are americans that dont even know hawaii is a state?

[Le Fidèle]

also, puerto rico is almost an american state. . . somtimes they even vote on it!



any ways. .

americans hate the french because when president bush called upon some of the biggest nations in the world, the french refused cause they had too many economic ties with the middle east. . . those bastards. . .

o well. all is forgiven now that i've seen alizee. . .



o yeah,


FREEDOM FRIES BITCHES!!!!!!!!

[Señor Villa]

Crazy,
You are right America needs to improve the education system. They lack the concept of geography. There are people in America who would not be able to point out certain states on the map unless it was written for them. :lol:

[Le Fidèle]

yeah. . .

there is no sutch class as geography.. . .

they dont even teach it in any of my courses either. . . not even history.

[Señor Villa]

yeah. . .

there is no sutch class as geography.. . .

they dont even teach it in any of my courses either. . . not even history.That is sad, I grew up in Maine and most people do not know where it is. I always have to say it is on the east coast above Massachusetts. They had geography offered in my school and American and World history which I took.

[Nestonia]

sorry if i seem mad, i just get kinda angry when we go through the hardships and problems of being apart of the US and people dont even consider us apart of it.

no hard feelings

would you believe that there are americans that dont even know hawaii is a state?

hawaii is a state? :cheesy:

[Ludicrous Maximus]

I think it's a pursuit of the rivalry between France and England. And I say France and England and not France and Britain.

France and Scotland have a long tradition of friendship tracking as far as the Auld Alliance.

The roots of the problem between France and England tracks to the conquest of England by William the Conqueror, previously to this there was no real conflict (at least nothing major, Ethelred the Unready tried to conquer France previously to this and was stopped by Richard the Good of Normandy). In 1066 the English nobility was whiped and replaced by a French one (not only Normans, there were nobles from all France who were promised part of the English cake by William the Conqueror, for insistance the dynasty established by Henry II wasn't Norman but Angevine). While there wasn't a massive French immigration to England, it was more a cultural and brutal domination.

Following the Capetian wars, those Anglo-French rulers were cut of their homelands which they promised to take back, and after the failure of the 100 years' war we can say it was all over for them.

Then, we can say the problems between France and the USA are only a continuation of this conflict for a big part. But I'll add.

After the American war of independance (and the proclamation of the USA in Versailles) there was the XYZ affair, and France almost went to war with the USA over Louisiana when those threatened to attack France under Napoleon (right before it was sold).

It was said Napoleon III supported the Confederated states during the civil war.

Don't forget WWII, while the Americans boast for the liberation of France they don't mention the bombardments of French cities and the attack of the French mediteranean fleet by the American and British ones.

[Steve]

You also have to remember that during WW2 a number of french troops fought against the british/Allies. Not because they supported Germany but they couldnt see them seleves fightning on the small side as Britian. An example that comes to mind is the French forces in Madagascar fought the Allies, they were poorly equiped and over run in just a matter of weeks, but none the less they had a hatred of sorts towards them becuse of the past.

[yingying]

in 17 century and in 18 century the french think they are elite and americ as a barbairine continent

but the times changed .now the usa is a superpower in the world in the world .
they take revenge .

try to read the diplomacy speechs in 1770 s and the address of the ambasserdar of the us .

look what Bufon(the french biologyist) did,what Jeffersson did ^^^^^＾＾＾＾

ANTI-AMIRICANISM :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted:

[Bizz]

I think it's a pursuit of the rivalry between France and England. And I say France and England and not France and Britain.

France and Scotland have a long tradition of friendship tracking as far as the Auld Alliance.

The roots of the problem between France and England tracks to the conquest of England by William the Conqueror, previously to this there was no real conflict (at least nothing major, Ethelred the Unready tried to conquer France previously to this and was stopped by Richard the Good of Normandy). In 1066 the English nobility was whiped and replaced by a French one (not only Normans, there were nobles from all France who were promised part of the English cake by William the Conqueror, for insistance the dynasty established by Henry II wasn't Norman but Angevine). While there wasn't a massive French immigration to England, it was more a cultural and brutal domination.

Following the Capetian wars, those Anglo-French rulers were cut of their homelands which they promised to take back, and after the failure of the 100 years' war we can say it was all over for them.

Then, we can say the problems between France and the USA are only a continuation of this conflict for a big part. But I'll add.

After the American war of independance (and the proclamation of the USA in Versailles) there was the XYZ affair, and France almost went to war with the USA over Louisiana when those threatened to attack France under Napoleon (right before it was sold).


It was said Napoleon III supported the Confederated states during the civil war.

Don't forget WWII, while the Americans boast for the liberation of France they don't mention the bombardments of French cities and the attack of the French mediteranean fleet by the American and British ones.


ok Ludicrous Maximus you exacly repeat what I say before

[Le Fidèle]

haha, but there was a time when things were gravy and the americans helped the french troops out in WWI

and this is just my personal opinion, i think that america chose the wrong side in WWI, but made the right choice in WWII.

and if we DID chose sides with the germans in WWI there was a strong chance that WWII wouldnt have happened.

[Draven]

Is it all about the war? Or is it something deeper.. naah... it's always about the WWII... :cry:

[Nestonia]

Is it all about the war? Or is it something deeper.. naah... it's always about the WWII... :cry:

yeah, WWII was and is still big troublemaker... and it´ll be !!!

[MightyMaréchal]

Oh my god...

so basically I was correct :D

anyways , Bizz!! I would like to understand what you have said!! heh,

moi francais est no good :D

[Bizz]

any ways it is exacly what Ludicrous Maximus say

but in french

[MightyMaréchal]

think I might have to translate it..

interesting stuff..

good I aint french, not canadian, not american, not British.. I am Neptunian!

[Prometheus]

I quess I really shouldn't say anything about this as I am not American nor French but I'll go ahead anyway.

I think the strongest reason for this dislike at the moment is the foreign policy of George Bush. That raised a lot of strong resistance in all of europe I think (maybe not in every country but you get what I mean). And dispite this opposition of other big countries the Americans went ahead and attacked Iraq. So maybe it's this American arrogance.

Also, the USA has made itself the world police a long ago and it thinks it can do whatever it likes and go wherever it likes. Now I know I hate this and I think it's been getting on everyones nerv for a long time. The war on Iraq just brought it all to the surface.

[Señor Villa]

Prometheus,

I am an American and feel the same way as you about USA being the world police and getting in everybody's business. If I was president I would let Iraq run their country which they see fit, it is their country not ours and there is only one USA and we cannot expect everyone to run it the same. Also, as far as for terrorism, we have terrorists of our own country terrorizing their own people everyday example: gangs, domestic violence, road rage and we do not see the U.S. military patroling our streets which I would do if I was president, but the U.S. do not want to display that to the world. The U.S. wants to show like we are "paradise" but we have problems no matter what type of government we have. I predict the next war the U.S. will get into will be with Mexico. They are already talking about building a Great Wall along the Arizona border to prevent illegal immigration. The police are arresting and fining Mexican laborers who want to earn a living while the lazy Americans that hold a sign to give them money so they can buy beer are left alone by the police.

[Le Fidèle]

Prometheus, yeah your're right, who are we to be the "world police"

i'd rather us mind our own business and let the rest of the world get FUCKED UP by terrorists that way you guys could be the least of our problems. :roll:
i mean, WTF no body asked for our help anyways, so why waste my tax dollars aiding some starving black kid in africa, when we have plenty of starving black people over here. why waste our soldiers lives trying to bring democracy to a country who needs it more than ever. . . . i mean, thats just plane stupid, everyone knows it a country controlled by a tyranical tyrant /regime is tottaly stable. living in fear is the best way to live, especially when you go the grocery maket and all of a sudden you find yourself in a bodybag cause some crazy ass muther fucker beleives he's doing his country a favor by blowing himself and others to bits.



AND Señor Villa, i'm all for building a great wall. don't blame the lazy american, blame the mexican government for allowing so many of their own citizens to escape and be apart of the greatest country ever. . . .
why is it that WE have to protect out borders with minutmen. you wanna know why mexico doesnt have a border police? cause they're too fucking busy hoping the border them selves. . . . . .

[Le Fidèle]

hummm, no wounder the french can't protect themselves


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c160/Lefidele/11871.jpg

[Ekasra]

hummm, no wounder the french can't protect themselves


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c160/Lefidele/11871.jpg

Your new avatar scares me yo :shock:

[YCZ]

WTF? Lisay Lohan, u gotta to be f**king kidding me.
I wouldn't surprise if the french hates america cause of her.

[Le Fidèle]

lol, i put it up there to show that all she does is the same pose. . . . :roll:

[ArlettyFan]

Forum users: feel free to research Lindsay Lohan anytime you like, and figure out what an atrocity she is. The amount of scandal and indecency in that girl is off the charts.

[Señor Villa]

I accidently bumped into Lindsey Lohan at a store and I said excuse me and she turned around and gave me the famous blank stare like Le Fidèle's avatar. :lol:

[tern]

Back on topic. I think it's really a creation of the French to get us to hate them. Since they're the obvious underdog it makes us look bad.

[staos]

Its that damn sex fiene, Pepe le Peu

[Achilles]

No,absolutely no.They have never been hating each other,but likes attract likes,all the westerners are the same,and they are one body.Although there exist some contradicts between them,the essence is the same and fused.All western nations just want to promote their common values over the world.But we China also want to do the same,at last the Oriental culture will conquar the world,NONO,it should be stated that the two will integrated into an entire new cicilization.And that is just one of the characteristics of Communism.

[Orion]

After Napoleon, France was crumbled, and was treated harshly, and that aslo causes the hate etc.. So most of the hate is with England...



hehe, Napoleon, born in Lili's home town , actually has Italian blood in him (parents) . . . The Itlian Mafia used to say: Morte Ai Francesi, Italia Avanti . . . . (death to the French, Italy ahead (advance - go Italy) . . . I don't know why but maybe it is due to football (soccer) or something . . . maybe even jealousy . . . in the medeival period, Italian chefs went to France to teach them about cooking, because it was once all just not up to par. . . (history channel documentary) . . .

There really is no hate between Italians and the French, though, nor is there any between Americans and the French (heck, in Italy artists go to France to sing in Italian and French and vice versa (ie. Alizée) . . . we are very good friends in the EU.

In the States, I think that the media is to blame for implanting bad thoughts about the French into people's minds, especially after 9/11. . . they watch too much television (all North America does) . . . I know that the French are very kind . . . but I think that it is the French that hate themselves . . . I have met a couple of french people that moved here and they have told me that it is dirty there and that the people smell . . . I don't know wtf to make of that . . . when I heard that I was thinking, "man, these guys have been put through hell to think this stuff up." and these people were intelligent and kind to me and very well off . . . I don't believe them, though . . . even though parts of Paris are dirty, heck them same could be said for many places all over the world

[Ludicrous Maximus]

I don't think there is much rivalry between France and Italy. For us French, our visceral antipathy is directec to the English.

It's true France was influenced by Italy (I don't count Napoleon as Italian ;) ), but the other way is true. Well, first are the royal dynasties of Italy and Sicily, in Sicily the kings were first from Normandy (the Hautevilles) then from Anjou (Angevin) and finally from Bourbonais (Bourbons). Even if they came from the same houses of nobles, they were distinct dynasties from the ones that ruled over France, England, Spain, Poland or Hungary. The kings of Italy were from the House of Savoy and just like most kings of Europe French was their first language.

I think, for one, a big part of the rivalry between France and Italy came from Napoleon. Don't forget he took over Italy and captured Rome. In Venice, he took all the artworks and brought them in Paris, most famous were the bronze horses he put over the Arc du Caroussel, that Venice itself previously stole to Constantinople during the crusades (those were given back to Venice later by the Bourbons of France, they are now inside the basilica because of the pollution).

On architecture, it's damn true France owes a lot to Italy (and more specificaly Rome and Florence) but you can also find some French influence over Italy, mainly through the Gothic style (who develloped in the Ile de France region at first) even though Italy is a country that doesn't have a lot of gothic archicture (compared to Baroque and other styles that appeared later).

On mafia, I think their motto is adressed by tradition to their French ruling class, as I understood Sicily is the place. And Sicily had a French ruling class for hell a long part of its history.

Other points, the disctinctions between the countries France/Italy/Spain weren't as clear as they are now. Arguably all those languages can be considered dialects to each others. I mean, it was probably easier for from from Aoste (Italy) to understand someone from Anjou (France) than Rome and someone from Nice could have it easier with someone from Milan than from Marseille. Same could be say with Toulouse and Barcelona and so on. Thing is, France took the language of its kings, while Spain took Castillan, and Italy took the one of Dante.

[Prometheus]

Prometheus, yeah your're right, who are we to be the "world police"

i'd rather us mind our own business and let the rest of the world get FUCKED UP by terrorists that way you guys could be the least of our problems. :roll:
i mean, WTF no body asked for our help anyways, so why waste my tax dollars aiding some starving black kid in africa, when we have plenty of starving black people over here. why waste our soldiers lives trying to bring democracy to a country who needs it more than ever. . . . i mean, thats just plane stupid, everyone knows it a country controlled by a tyranical tyrant /regime is tottaly stable. living in fear is the best way to live, especially when you go the grocery maket and all of a sudden you find yourself in a bodybag cause some crazy ass muther fucker beleives he's doing his country a favor by blowing himself and others to bits.


:D Well, Iraq was really no threath to anyone except the Iraqi people who had to live in the tyrany. The only ones who felt threatened by Saddam Hussein was the US government, and why? Because he "had" weapons of mass destruction? Funny how those weapons have never been found. And why would they have used them against the USA? Besides, it's not really a very good reason to go to war if you THINK someone has weapons of mass destruction. Plus it's kind of hypocritical to make such a great deal of these bombs when USA itself has tens of thousands of them. The largests stock in the whole world. They could single handedly blow the Earth into bits (so could many other nuclear powers of course). But being the "world police" does not make things any safer, in fact it does quite the opposite. It only creates more hate and opposition toward the US.

This was a bit off topic. I apologize.

[Le Fidèle]

The largests stock in the whole world. They could single handedly blow the Earth into bits (so could many other nuclear powers of course).


HA, yeah but we got our shit under LOCK AND KEY!!! plus we dont have any intent on using them on inocent people. . .

if saddam HAD any, the question would be, "why wouldnt he use them on the US?"

i mean, he used them on his own people, why not another country?



and yes, maybe it was stupid to start a war based on the thought that they might have WMD's but lets remember. . . they were given almost 3 months advance notice that we were coming to iraq if they didnt give up their weapons, three months is enough time to do anything. . . .


but can you honestly say you'de trust iraq with WMD's more than you'd trust America :roll:

[Prometheus]

I wouldn't trust anyone with WMD. Not Iraq, not America, not France, not Russia, not Finland if we ever had any, nobody. Such things should never have been invented nor used. The same goes for any weapons.

[Orion]

I don't think there is much rivalry between France and Italy. For us French, our visceral antipathy is directec to the English.

It's true France was influenced by Italy (I don't count Napoleon as Italian ;) ), but the other way is true. Well, first are the royal dynasties of Italy and Sicily, in Sicily the kings were first from Normandy (the Hautevilles) then from Anjou (Angevin) and finally from Bourbonais (Bourbons). Even if they came from the same houses of nobles, they were distinct dynasties from the ones that ruled over France, England, Spain, Poland or Hungary. The kings of Italy were from the House of Savoy and just like most kings of Europe French was their first language.

I think, for one, a big part of the rivalry between France and Italy came from Napoleon. Don't forget he took over Italy and captured Rome. In Venice, he took all the artworks and brought them in Paris, most famous were the bronze horses he put over the Arc du Caroussel, that Venice itself previously stole to Constantinople during the crusades (those were given back to Venice later by the Bourbons of France, they are now inside the basilica because of the pollution).

On architecture, it's damn true France owes a lot to Italy (and more specificaly Rome and Florence) but you can also find some French influence over Italy, mainly through the Gothic style (who develloped in the Ile de France region at first) even though Italy is a country that doesn't have a lot of gothic archicture (compared to Baroque and other styles that appeared later).

On mafia, I think their motto is adressed by tradition to their French ruling class, as I understood Sicily is the place. And Sicily had a French ruling class for hell a long part of its history.

Other points, the disctinctions between the countries France/Italy/Spain weren't as clear as they are now. Arguably all those languages can be considered dialects to each others. I mean, it was probably easier for from from Aoste (Italy) to understand someone from Anjou (France) than Rome and someone from Nice could have it easier with someone from Milan than from Marseille. Same could be say with Toulouse and Barcelona and so on. Thing is, France took the language of its kings, while Spain took Castillan, and Italy took the one of Dante.

Ludicrous Maximus, thanks for your input . . . I honestly think that one of the greatest things that nations can do is influence eachother positively . . . Both Italy and France have more in common with each other than with any other cuntry. btw, I also don't count Napoleon as Italian; I only state a fact . . . that he has Italian blood in him and could be considered specifically half Corsican (Ajaccio), half Italian ;) - his Father, Carlo Buanaparte (Tuscany), stayed in Corsica, rather than fleeing with Pasquale Paoli and succumbed to the French rulers; Napoleon had his father's Italian name until he became the French army general.

He is quoted as saying: "Providence created in me a Corsican rock, from which all strokes of fate simply run off like water."

[Bizz]

Orion do you talk of the Geografie or people lol

[Orion]

hmmm, good question . . . maybe you can spend some time catching up on your english and then decide to ask another question :P

oh . . . the answer is both and directly related to certain parts of Ludicrous Maximus' reply :roll:

Je pense que Bizz est une gentille personne, mais il a quelques problèmes émotifs. . . "emo emu?" :lol:


j/k

[Le Fidèle]

cause the french are pigs. . . why?

idk, but thats just what every one knows


nuff said. . . .