To the Chinese... and their females

[Melodramatic]

This is for the Chinese members. What is the current social status of the females in China? Are the practices of Sex-selective abortions & Sex selective abandonment still prevalent even today? And if so, what is your take on this as a Chinese male?

[IubescAlizee]

Let's keep in mind that Melo is very close minded and believes in Abstinence....

[yingying]

as a mere commen student in a very very small city i have something to say ::::

i think there still exists something as what u said ,although i have never seen or heard that......but i do think that there still exists!!!!i have never got the similar news froms the www or the newspaper or the tv.and if this exists,but do not think that it is prevelence,,not ,,no ooooooooo.....in the poor parts especially in the west parts of our country may be the similar affairs will happen ,

now china is a country who have pupulation control.each family is endowed to have one child and one child only .if a family give birth 2 or more children ,then the municipal will fine the family. a typical chinese family only have 3 people .mother ,father ,children .this policy have been taken since 1970s or 1980s ,i do not know exactly ,,but i do know that almost all my friends are the only one child in his family ,,and i was born in 1983.sometimes we feel alone ,we have no brothers ,no sisters ,..............we are sacrificed by the policy of our country .but we hold the opinion that the policy is right ,cause too many will wast a lot resoures.

but in the countries, in the poor districts,,,,we still permit that ::: if the first child in the family is female,then a second child will be allowed.

if the second child is female too, but unfornately ,,a third child will never be allowed .

if the first child is a boy ,then the second child will never be allowed.



in china the costs in raiseing a child is very high ,and the cost will grow even higher !!!!actually ,,almost all the young couples do not have inclination to have a second child ,because they can not afford the money .

now in china the gap between the rich and the poor are very consequense!!as a commen people i do not appreciate it !!!!!!we should try our best to promote the welfare pf the commen people !

actually i think that this may happen in the poor parts especially in the west parts of our country.but i have never seen or heard "selective abortions & Sex selective abandonment "-------------------maybe u think that i am not giving u the true information,but it is true......

since we were very young we were taught that we are a backward country,we hAVE far lagged behaind to the advanced culture.so in my opinion,this education system may cause the inself-confidentce.

but the times have changed that , although we are not a advanced country but we have changed a lot ..........not as u have imagined*******not --------although we are not advanced but we are changing ^^^^^^^


i have read a geoegraphy book in the library,, it was wrote by a u.s. schooler.i have forget the name of the book ,but i still rememered that what he had described ...i do not deny the accidemic value of the book . the last published time was around 1995 .and the contents of the book was about 1970s..from that moment i do not know how a u.s. people would imagine we are ..but that was the old days ..we have changed a lot .. and the u.s. books have not changed ...and the thoughts in the u.s. people have not changed....
i think the u.s. education system especially the geography parts should change a lot ..we are not as u have taught ..it is true..wellcome to china^^^ :wink: :wink: :wink:

i give all the west friends a advise that :::::now the chinese are more understand u than u understand the chinese... it is true...and especially the americans..in my opinion:::the u.s. people are not willing to understand others ,they think that u.s. is the most advanced the most humane the most democratic country ...and i admit it too ..but ,,i think no matter how advanced u are u should to understand others ...

we did that in the 15,16,17century...in that time we were unwilling to understand others.and now we are paying the debt we made in the 15.16.17 centuries.

[RMJ]

now china is a country who have pupulation control.each family is endowed to have one child and one child only .if a family give birth 2 or more children ,then the municipal will fine the family. a typical chinese family only have 3 people .mother ,father ,children .this policy have been taken since 1970s or 1980s ,i do not know exactly ,,but i do know that almost all my friends are the only one child in his family ,,and i was born in 1983.sometimes we feel alone ,we have no brothers ,no sisters ,..............we are sacrificed by the policy of our country .but we hold the opinion that the policy is right ,cause too many will wast a lot resoures.

I actually like this policy. And hope that rest of the world will adopt it, too.

That is because with current rate of population growth, we are in deep shit soon. Some countries are already so overpopulated that something terrible might happen soon. They simple cannot survive if it continues to grow (well, it won't continue to grow much longer as the hungry and diseases will take care of it...).

[Axeman]

Here in Germany it's somehow the opposite. Most Couples don't want to have a child and if they want one
they mostly want only 1 Child. That's a Problem because we will have more and more old people. This is a big
problem for our Pension System.

[Melodramatic]

Let's keep in mind that Melo is very close minded and believes in Abstinence....

Let's keep in mind that Iubesc doesn't believe in abstinence but at the ripe age of 40 has never been able to get some. :lol:

actually i think that this may happen in the poor parts especially in the west parts of our country.but i have never seen or heard "selective abortions & Sex selective abandonment "-------------------maybe u think that i am not giving u the true information,but it is true......

Actually I believe you but it's strange that you don't see it around. I mean, with all these laws seemingly belittles the women of China (past & present), I'm wondering how the Chinese women/girls feel about this and how the modern Chinese society views it. For example, is there more "girl power" (for lack of a better term) in China or is sexism still very much alive. Don't know if the modern Chinese still prefer to have a boy as their first child (in order to carry out the family name) & then get rid of the girl offspring through abortion or adoption (which foreigners will most likely adopt), because if so, the Chinese men will have shortage for mates.

[RMJ]

Here in Germany it's somehow the opposite. Most Couples don't want to have a child and if they want one
they mostly want only 1 Child. That's a Problem because we will have more and more old people. This is a big
problem for our Pension System.
This is actually true in Finland, too. Our population growth is almost stalled. Atleast it's very slow.

[splur]

I actually like this policy. And hope that rest of the world will adopt it, too.

It's actually a terrible policy as it goes against the freedoms and rights of the citizens. Only reason China is able to get this through is because they're still communist. You're very right, it would help the world in the long run, but just imagine if you wanted to have two children and couldn't.

From what I hear, and all this information is most likely skewed, cause most of my friends/parent's friends are from HK and not mainland China. Well, we hear that alot of girls are put up for adoption (don't think abortion is a perferred choice). And then the girls are either picked up by westerners or sent to HK/outside China. Yeeeshh...that can't be good.

Still don't understand the old tradition of why boys are better. And why girls can't carry on the family name. Is it impossible for that to happen in China?

[Melodramatic]

Well, we hear that alot of girls are put up for adoption (don't think abortion is a perferred choice). And then the girls are either picked up by westerners or sent to HK/outside China. Yeeeshh...that can't be good.

Yes, that's what I was wondering about. How would the female population of China have a positive self-image if such practices still/have occured all because of their gender.

[splur]

Guys will do anything for a girl? :P We seem to have an outburst of Chinese (and Asian) females here in Canada. Usually I see 3-5 girls per 1 guy in a group of Asians. It also seemed very similar in HK. I have yet to visit China, so I'm not sure what the ratio is like, but I couldn't imagine it being very bad.

I guess it is the way girls are brought up in China. That all of this seems normal to them while it seems absolutely absurd to us. Cause it's not like they were given the freedoms and rights women here in our societies are given, then it was taken away. As well, if you look at the middle east, where in some cultures women are treated even worse. But to them, it is normal, and some of them would even chose their current lifestyle than a new one where they have freedoms and rights like anyone else. I guess this is a good example of nature vs nurture, where nurture has the greater influence.

[RMJ]

It's actually a terrible policy as it goes against the freedoms and rights of the citizens. Only reason China is able to get this through is because they're still communist. You're very right, it would help the world in the long run, but just imagine if you wanted to have two children and couldn't.
Well, if communism is needed for this kinda policy then I hope we all become communists. Because I really like this policy. One child per family.

If you'd want two then you could buy some other family's right to have child. I'd sell my right to have child right away. :)

[splur]

:P Trust me, you don't want to have a communist government. In theory it works, if we were all robots.

[Le Fidèle]

AHHH NOOOOOO. . . . .(in slow mo)


Melodramatic, no more warnings!!!! ksh ksh ksh, kah kah kah. :shock:

[yingying]

to melodramatic::

generally speaking,now most of the chinese do like a boy as his son.and your words"we like a boy to continue our name is right."it is still in function. we know it is a bad tradition .and we are trying our best to change the old views.we have made much,and actually it has been improved much. but unfortunatelly we have not attained the finale aim we have set.we are still on the way .

it is true that most families like a boy as his prosperity,but if a girl came (because this can not be decided by him ,but the only LORD decides it ),he will have no choice,but to face the reality,and to accept the reality.totally ,the family realitions in china is tighter than in your cultures.if the MAJESTY gives him a girl ,he have no choice,but to accept it. he will not choose abortion. because they love their child.but we do not like adoption ,and in the historiy views,there is very little adoption cases .in our cultures we value blood realitions much.we do not think a adopted child as our own child,both the parents and the adopted child will feel alien from each other,because we value blood realitions much than in your culture.and the family realitions is tighter than in your realitions.i do not want to compare the two family styles,and i do not know who is the better.your family styles will benefit the child in his own independence,do muck good in his own character and personality.

so we can be in such a conclusion:we do not like adoption;and it is ture that we do like a boy as his own child,but if THE MAJESTY gives him a girl ,he will accept the reality,but not choose abortion.all the parents loves his or her child,both in the west and in the east .and i think the the family realitions are tighter in the asian countries.of course there is exceptional.

the reason why i did not seen or heard abortion as follow::

i have said that i am in a very very small city in china, and i am mere a student ,and i am only 22 years old,so the information in my mind is limited,limited,i am not a schooler not a old man who has experienced the joys and sorrows,and i am not a observer of the country.so u may know why i have not heard or seen abortion .

the reason why i do think something as u said still exist as follow::::::::

i have said that we were taught that we are a backward country and this may deeply affect our self-confident.we were taught we are lagged behaind to the advanced cultures.we have very very muck bad habits.and the gap between the rich and the poor is very consenquence.it is said that the geni ratio in our country is the as much to as the biggest.now two china do exists: a poor and backward china,another is the rich china."if a country who can not protect the many who are poor then it will not secure the few who is rich"-------John Kenndy.........but unfortunatelly the fact is that the gap between the rich and the poor is being enlarged!!!!!!!

from what we have disscussed we know that china is a country poor and the rich do exists in paralle.if the bad cases do not in happens in the rich but may be happen in the poor.and if it do not happens i would also want to admit it exists.because we think we are a backward country and we have much to change.we would rather believe it exists.....our education system are in function .we do not want to avoid the bad habits , we want to change,and we want to face the bad habits bravely without any regard of indignity.we know the only way to develop is to face the bad traditional....
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now in the east countries the status of the women in china is very high!!!!!!!now 37percent women in all professions of our country.....in the south china the women's status is even higher than the men.women's status in china is far more high than in the south korea and in japan......i give u a advice that:::try to read some japanese literature works ,then u will know the really japan women's status.women in japan is just mere a tool in his husband....u should try to know japan culture and the south korea culture....in both the two countries the women's status is very below!!!!!!!!u should try to know about japan culture .and some japanese officials even critisised our country's women revolution.they said that : we did wrong ,and the women's status is far more high than needed.they do not appreciate our country's policy towards the women .they even critisied it ........the japanese loves doing this :mrgreen: :cheesy: :cheesy:

i also think sexism descrimination exists in your culture!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!especially in the france,the french people think the women are fool.but also in the u.s. in canada and u.k. also exists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!it is a fact suits all the countries !!!!!!!!!!!do u know how many statesman are femal in your country??how many C.E.O. of the corparations are female in your country?how many femal lawyers in your country ,and how many femal doctures in your country ???and what will happen with u if u are a girl of the u.s. navy army in a aircraft ???? :shock:

sex descrimination do exists in all the countries but in the middle east is the worst .and china has made much improvement .it is good that u concerns about the chinese affairs .and both of us should finish our home affairs first,then do the seabord affairs !!!

china is a developing country,so u should see it in a process perspective.if there are still something bad u should know all the bad will be cleaned out .....DO trust the chinese people will do better and better but do not expect the chinese people will get rid of all the bad habits all the bad traditional customes in a moment ..please do not ...

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i do not like the topic of captilism and communism....in my opinion a man who indulges himself in the ideology system is just a man who do not have his own judgement but just a product of his government .

actually i do not know who is better,the captilism????the communism ??? i do not know!!!!!and i do not want to know....

what i concerns is who will does better for the whole people and for the whole being .

in china the fredom of speech also exists.and whether we shoule have a democratic government are the hot discussion in the major BBS.all are interested in it .

but i think who will help the whole people will be the better one."with malice toward none, with charity to all"-----------Abraham Linchkon

although we are a so called communist leading country,,but in my opinion we doing the same as the the traditional captilist did.

the last leader of the soveit union said:"in 1000 years there will be no communism nor captilism" i think he is right ....he said this when he met with Zedong Mao or Nixon.but he really said this sentence.
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the populition control policy:

i think it is right.

the east cultures are more concern about the collection interest.and the west cultures are more concern about the personal interest.if u know the japan enterprise structures and their enterprise cultures u will know how it is.

suppose there are 3 billion people in china but unfortunatelly china can not feed all these 3 billion people ,do u know what willl happen ????it is war !!!!war between other countries cause we need more lands more house more food more cattles more cars,etc.

if the total number of the people in china does not decrease china will a backward country eternally !!!!

u have your right to express your view, and i admire it too . but i do think our country is too much populated ,and the globe is too much populated.

splur ,will u have a fourth child ?? do u love many sons or daughters??actually u do not like to have many sons and daughters. and i know why.u want to be free , u want to save your money so that u can enjoy your material life, or ,in short,, u can not afford the money to raise a child . the same happens in china.never think that u are clever than other guys !!never !!

and if u do not like this, actually others will do not like it also < i do think so .

[chinaboy]

in china.female 's status have Obtained very greatly progressive.. .in many family .special in the city. the husband take their money to their wife .the female is the ADIMIN :cheesy: :cheesy:
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