Lolita

[Bondius]

No, I'm not talking about Alizée, I'm talking about the book "Lolita"© written by Vladimir Nabokov in 1955. Snatcher really made me look for this book and since I couldn't find it in bookstores I looked on the net ... then I found this:

Vladimir Nabokov - Lolita (1955) (http://rapidshare.de/files/3015840/Lolita_-_Vladimir_Nabokov__1955_.doc.html)

Some of you (just like me) haven't even heard of it so I was thinking it's a good ideea to post it somehow. I hope you read it if you haven't already, it's the book that inspired "Moi... Lolita", the birth of our star. I'm gonna read it first chance I get and Snatcher might even post a review :wink:

Happy reading ...

[PayBays]

What am i going to upload..the book?


EDIT: Nice...if someone wants it...i can translate it into Dutch

( sick me...but i don't have anything to do Thursday )

[Dolores Haze]

and since I couldn't find it in bookstores I looked on the net ...


Lol, yes it's really hard to find Lolita in bookstores, especially because it was translated in several languages and is available almost everywhere :lol: :cheesy:
Come on, the book is worth its $11,16 and reading it on a computer display is not really comfortable.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679723161/qid=1121172107/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/104-4250141-6256711?v=glance&s=books

Although you can not support the writer anymore, it's better to buy a good book in store than reading a shady ebook.

[Snatcher42]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679723161/qid=1121172107/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/104-4250141-6256711?v=glance&s=books
Heh, exact version I read. Though I'm thinking of checking out that Jeremy Irons cassette to see how he delivers the prose, and maybe an annotated version to catch the references I missed.

But maybe Bondius can't find it in Romania? I wouldn't know.

What am i going to upload..the book?


EDIT: Nice...if someone wants it...i can translate it into Dutch

( sick me...but i don't have anything to do Thursday )
Translate 300 pages into Dutch. :yikes:
There already is an official Dutch translation you could look for in bookstores.

Anyway, yeah, I finally read this book - it really is incredible. But most of you probably know that already. Maybe I'll share some thoughts after I get the chance to watch both movie versions.

[PayBays]

What am i going to upload..the book?


EDIT: Nice...if someone wants it...i can translate it into Dutch

( sick me...but i don't have anything to do Thursday )
Translate 300 pages into Dutch. :yikes:
There already is an official Dutch translation you could look for in bookstores
Yes i'm capable of translation 300 pages...I did it before and it really helped me with my English

[DavidAlizée]

Yes, but.. have you got the time to translate a full book from dutch ? :shock:

[Dolores Haze]

I don't know it this was already mentioned in the english forum, but I think I figured out, why Alizée had named her daughter "Anny Lee" with some references to Lolita.

For anyone who can understand german, this is the german post about it:
http://www.alizee-forum.com/ptopic,470719.html#470719


The english version would be something like this:
Mylene Farmed wanted Alizée to read Lolita and in this book Nabokov mentioned Humbert Humbert´s girlfriend (in his youth) named "Annabel Leigh".
Annabel Leigh was a character affected by Poes' poem "Annabel Lee", so if Alizée read Lolita and was impressed by it, she maybe did some research and discovered the Poe connection and the name Annabel Lee.

or

She simply read the Annabel Lee Poem by Edgar Allan Poe an liked it, so she used the title in a modern form for her baby.


Anny Lee is just the modern form of Annabel Lee, which would explain the mysterious "Lee", which everyone is wondering about.


Jesus, I could be a honouring member of the Lone Gunmen from the X-Files with such theories :? :cheesy:

[DavidAlizée]

na man, she just had a fetish with puff the magic dragon :mrgreen:

[Snatcher42]

Heh, I remember for a moment that we though "Annabel" might be the baby's name, and I posted the Poe poem (one of my favorites!) and mentioned the Lolita connection: http://www.alizee-forum.com/ltopic,10275,0,asc,30.html

Before anyone reads Lolita, they MUST read this poem, trust me!
http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/poe/works/poetry/annabel.html

The connection to "Anny Lee" is possible, though I wouldn't bet my life on that being the reason. :)

BTW, Dolores: Love the image in your sig! But that link is horrific.

[DavidAlizée]

woah. that kinda stuff freaks me out. Good job i read snatchers post above about it being horrific. Luckily i stopped just before my brain could take in that stuff. Not nice at all..

[Dolores Haze]

BTW, Dolores: Love the image in your sig! But that link is horrific.


Thx Snatcher, I think we had the same thought on the Annabel thing.
The linked site should be horrific and shocking. There was a tragic car accident in my environment last week. 6 teenagers died, because one f*****g 22 years old drunken driver (died too) wanted to impress them. Really a shame.

Is it really that hard to understand that you should not drive when you are drunk? :evil:

So, enough of beeing offtopic :wink:

[Ned]

No, I'm not talking about Alizée, I'm talking about the book "Lolita"© written by Vladimir Nabokov in 1955. Snatcher really made me look for this book and since I couldn't find it in bookstores I looked on the net ... then I found this:
http://rapidshare.de/files/2995334/Lolita.htm.html
Some of you (just like me) haven't even heard of it so I was thinking it's a good ideea to post it somehow. I hope you read it if you haven't already, it's the book that inspired "Moi... Lolita", the birth of our star. I'm gonna read it first chance I get and Snatcher might even post a review :wink:

Happy reading ...
I heard about the book, Bogdan, but haven't read it yet, just saw the movie with Jeremy Irons. :cheesy:

[PayBays]

Finally you have it Ned...never seen the movie,but i hope i get it soon!

[Ned]

Finally you have it Ned...never seen the movie,but i hope i get it soon!
That was some movie, I gotta tell you! I recommend it to you! :thumbup:

[Snatcher42]

I can't say I'm looking forward to either of the movies. From what I've read and from the bits I've seen, I expect the Kubrik version to be interesting but wildly unfaithful to the novel; and Adrian Lyne's to be faithful in plot but miss the mark in style, theme, and substance. Above all, I don't see how either film can properly adapt this book where style is so paramount: We all know the story. It's the absolutely astounding prose that makes Lolita a masterpiece.

This article on salon.com expresses my fears over the 1997 remake:
http://archive.salon.com/ent/movies/reviews/1998/05/cov_29review.html

The relevant sections, avoiding plot spoilers:


For all of their vaunted (and, it turns out, false) fidelity to Nabokov, Lyne and Schiff have made a pretty, gauzy "Lolita" that replaces the book's cruelty and comedy with manufactured lyricism and mopey romanticism. Lionel Trilling observed that "Lolita is about love ... Almost every page sets forth some explicit erotic emotion or some overt erotic action and still ... it is about love." The twist is that Humbert's pedophilia makes it easier to see love's constant potential for possessiveness and monomania. Nabokov achieves rapture without denying Humbert's ruthlessness. But he never slights Humbert's bliss, either, and he never, from the first incantatory utterance of her name, tries to keep us from sharing a taste of that bliss. Just as Humbert drugs Lolita with sleeping pills, Nabokov drugs his reader with narcotic descriptions of his nymphet's brown skin and musky, tomboy odor. The moralist denies that intoxicant; the artist, the sensualist, can't. Humbert's rapture is both a parody of the artist creating in solitude and a celebration of the glories that solitude brings forth. Nabokov might be asking if life is too high a price to pay for art.

It's hard to tell whether Lyne is uncomfortable with that unresolvable tension or if it simply doesn't occur to him. Whatever the reason, he and Schiff have turned Humbert's passion into a willowy new version of the Love That Dare Not Speak Its Name. Their "Lolita" is a film of soft light, flocks of birds taking flight, lush, melancholy music (composed by Ennio Morricone, and part of what's wrong with the film, it's beautiful on its own terms). This love, we're meant to understand, is poetic and delicate, aimed at the heart, rather than the loins or the funny bone.

It's a wrongheaded reading of the book, but not a stupid one. Lyne and Schiff are pursuing a strain of the novel that many have ignored: its tenderness...

...The main reason those moments play as well as they do is Irons, who is often heartbreaking....

...What Irons doesn't get to express is Humbert's cunning. Lyne and Schiff's Humbert is controlling, plotting, even physically violent with Lolita, but he acts out of helplessness, not calculation. The pity of this is that Irons is capable of conveying those shades of the character without losing what makes him so touching elsewhere...

...Lyne has done what any filmmaker with an artistically dubious reputation would do when approaching a classic: cloaked it in respectability and production values....


Well... we will see if I agree or not, as these films are next on my "to watch" list.

[Ange]

Lolita can be found at Barnes and Noble bookstores. That's where I got mine. Also you can go to www.bn.com and order it.

[PayBays]

People...it's official now...i start the translating today.As a fan of Alizée i grant the Dutch people some good reading.There could be some troubles,that i can't fix.If i occour some of these...could i ask your help them?

( i'll try translating it for myself.I have a bad feeling about this book )

[Bondius]

Heh then good luck, you're gonna need it :mrgreen:
Anyway, I did a second quick search around the bookstores and nothing :(. Either I go to the nearest library and make a mess untill I find it or I read this version. I'm doomed ...

Well, life is life

Run D://Alizee/Lolita.htm

[PayBays]

I already putted it on my memory-stick so i can chill in my bed tonight and read it...

i hope it's a nice story

[Bondius]

Snatcher said it's a somewhat dramatic story. I hope I don't cry. I never cried at a book and I sure don't wanna.

[DavidAlizée]

*Spoilers*











An olderman sexualy abuses a little girl, he takes advantage of her, she leaves him, she gets pregnant by another anotherman, she dies giving birth, he can't take it. Nothing good about it imo, its a kinda perveted story to be honest, not my cup of tea. not even worth the read.

[Bondius]

Well, everyone is entitled to an opinion. No one said everyone should like/read it heh.
And BTW ... you could of said "Spoiler" :wink: I know the story but others might not.

[D13U]

I'm probably gonna end up buying it soon.. I can't stand eBooks. Thanks for the tip, luba.

[Bondius]

Well, now I realise why Snatcher likes the book so much. I red the first 16 chapters and I got attached to the book. It's so ... beautiful. I can't describe it but it's so detailed and well-written that I can actually see what's in the author's immagination.It's wierd ... but so far it's one of the best books I started reading.

[D13U]

If you like engrossing literature, read Hemingway... he's a great English author.

[Ramon_Morales_Jr]

i never read the book of "Lolita"

[tern]

Ahh snatcher I've read that Poe poem before but didn't make the connection, thanks for the heads-up.

[Bondius]

I added a .doc file instead of the .htm on the first post ... it's easier to read (tho bigger in size). And be careful, it's full of spelling mistakes (mostly words glued together heh).

[Ned]

*Spoilers*











An olderman sexualy abuses a little girl, he takes advantage of her, she leaves him, she gets pregnant by another anotherman, she dies giving birth, he can't take it. Nothing good about it imo, its a kinda perveted story to be honest, not my cup of tea. not even worth the read.
:yikes: Man, you shocked me! So that was the true story? :tvhorror:

[Franka]

The book? I've read it but I stopped in the middle. Because I think it's boring and I couldn't stand it anymore. But I love the start.
And I told my classmate to read this book, he is the kind of person who almost never reads..........And amazedly.....He loves this book and has read it for over 6 times...........

No wonder Lolita is such a special girl.......... :mrgreen:

[Bondius]

Well ... I just reached page 142 out of 250 and I am ... truly mad. I think I haven't got up more than twice in 6 hours (once to the toilet and once to raid the fridge). I simply can't drop the book ... erhm, file, whatever. It's such a touching story ... :oops:
Now I'm also downloading the movie heh... I'll watch it AFTER i finish the book :tvhorror:

[PayBays]

I can't even get past page 3 man...i told you all that i'm gonna translate it...never thought it was so hard...but hey i just keep up.

[Bondius]

Well all I can say is that in this rythm, in aproximately 12 hours I'll finish it (sleep included). I'm on page 150 now heh ...

[PayBays]

It takes to much of me...i'm not capable of reading the difficult words.I have a lot of experience ( 15 years ) with English language,but this takes everything

[Bondius]

No one said you should translate it :what:. Now I realised I read ~100 pages/4-5 hours :shock:

[Snatcher42]

Glad you like it, Bondius... you're about to get to a sorta slow-moving part, but stick with it: it gets exciting again near the end.

It takes to much of me...i'm not capable of reading the difficult words.I have a lot of experience ( 15 years ) with English language,but this takes everything
No worries, the Dutch version you can buy in book stores probably took the translator years of work and study. Lolita is considered one of the most spectacular examples of English prose.

Nothing good about it imo, its a kinda perveted story to be honest, not my cup of tea. not even worth the read.
Have you read it Dave? I thought I remembered you mentioning seeing the 97 film, but that's it... and as I was discussing at the bottom of page one, I strongly suspect that the movie doesn't even hold a candle to the book.

[PayBays]

It takes to much of me...i'm not capable of reading the difficult words.I have a lot of experience ( 15 years ) with English language,but this takes everything
No worries, the Dutch version you can buy in book stores probably took the translator years of work and study. Lolita is considered one of the most spectacular examples of English prose.

I'm going to the library next week and pray they have the book!
Snatcher,it's just to difficult for me... :cry:

[Bondius]

Glad you like it, Bondius... you're about to get to a sorta slow-moving part, but stick with it: it gets exciting again near the end.
SPOILER
I'm at the part where she rides her bike and asks him about the hotel where he ... ahem ... :boff: her. It's interesting at the moment. I really don't have intentions of stopping here, at half the story. :wink:

[PayBays]

Which page...i can't wait!Did you printed it or just on your pc?

[Bondius]

No, on my PC
The part is on page 161 of the .doc I uploaded (first post at the begining of the topic) but if you take a look it will spoil all your fun. You first have to know WHAT they did in the hotel room hehe ...

[PayBays]

i can guess what they were doing...do they actually write what they do?like licking or something...if so i want to skipp that part

[Bondius]

No, nothing TOO detailed :wink:
Just describes as he gets closer to her, stuff like that heh.

BTW, Snatcher, Like my sig? :cheesy:

[PayBays]

Lucky...i can't stand those books...where they just write everything in detail



I like your avatar :wub: :wub: :wub:

signature is cool also,but her hand is cut off.It's nice to see her singing!

[Bondius]

Lucky...i can't stand those books...where they just write everything in detail



I like your avatar :wub: :wub: :wub:

signature is cool also,but her hand is cut off.It's nice to see her singing!
No, belive me it's not like "He takes out his manhood" or crap like that. It's detailed in a sensitive and loving way, the way he kisses her, how she trembles and stuff like that ... makes my immagination run wild. :wub:

BTW both the pics didn't fit, her hand is just a little covered by the other :wink:
And the quote ... well, you'll see what's the quote about if you keep reading hehe

[Snatcher42]

BTW, Snatcher, Like my sig? :cheesy:
So you're finished? That line made me :weep: .

[Bondius]

No, not really. I have around 70 pages to go heh but that's the first line I knew. (remember the chat, when I asked you if it's from Lolita).

[Ned]

Man, I'm confused :?!! Is it good or what! I mean I don't expect you to tell me the entire story, just to tell me if it's worth to read it!
And btw, Bogdan, beautiful sig! I dare you for more like this one you have now! :wink:

[SjanTeN]

I havent read it, but seen snatcher talk about it on IRC. Today in the TV(Denmark) there was a discussion about pedophilia, the guy was some professor. So i thought it was in context to the book. It were two other guys tho.

[Bondius]

*SPOILER*

That guy in the book was not a pedophile. He really loved Lolita but you have to read the book to understand.

[D13U]

Man, I'm confused Confused!! Is it good or what! I mean I don't expect you to tell me the entire story, just to tell me if it's worth to read it!
And btw, Bogdan, beautiful sig! I dare you for more like this one you have now! Wink
Almost any book is worth the read. You'll never know if it was worth the read, despite someone else's opinion without reading it for yourself. It's personal opinion.

[Bondius]

*SPOILERS*

for PayBays

This is what a "scene" looks like:

"What's the matter, where are you going?" cried Lo from the porch.
I said nothing. I pushed her softness back into the room and went in
after her. I ripped her shirt off. I unzipped the rest of her, I
tore off her sandals. Wildly, I pursued the shadow of her
infidelity; but the scent I traveled upon was so slight as to be
practically undistinguishable from a madman's fancy.
It was my favorite hehe :mrgreen: ... so, you see, there's nothing too detailed.

[Ned]

Almost any book is worth the read. You'll never know if it was worth the read, despite someone else's opinion without reading it for yourself. It's personal opinion.
You're right! Subjective matter again! :thumbup:
I hope I will have time to read the book.

[Bondius]

I have exactly 50 pages remaining. The story trully impressed me untill now. At this rate, in 3-4 hours I'll finish it ...

[Ramon_Morales_Jr]

good for u bondius :D :lol:

[Bondius]

Oh my god ... this ... this is the first book that made me cry. I finished it 3 minutes ago and I'm crying for more than 5. In exactly 30 hours and 40 minutes, sleep included, I finished the most touching and best book I ever saw. Dammit, I can't stop crying!
I'm gonna get some sleep ... maybe I'll calm down a bit ... and when I wake up I'm gonna post my review of the book.

:tears: now I understand the real meaning of ... Lolita.

[tern]

Oh my god ... this ... this is the first book that made me cry. I finished it 3 minutes ago and I'm crying for more than 5. In exactly 30 hours and 40 minutes, sleep included, I finished the most touching and best book I ever saw. Dammit, I can't stop crying!
I'm gonna get some sleep ... maybe I'll calm down a bit ... and when I wake up I'm gonna post my review of the book.

:tears: now I understand the real meaning of ... Lolita.

Goodnight man, hopefully I get the time to read it this summer. Maybe I'll just have to make the time.

[Bondius]

Well ... 3 hours of sleep don't count as a night ... but whatever.
I'm gonna start writing it in Word and then I'm gonna paste it here.

[350km/h_no_problem]

i don`t get the point.......what`s so interesting about that book........
and by the way didn`t they made a film after the book?! those are more interesting.............WORD

[Bondius]

Well the book was what inspired Mylene Farmer to write the song "Moi... Lolita", the birth of our star. I think 2 movies were made, but surely the book is far better.

SPOILER
BTW Snatcher Did he shot her when he pulled out the gun? I didn't understood quite well.
END OF SPOILER

[Dolores Haze]

I finished the most touching and best book I ever saw.

Cool thing, that a 15yo can get the clue of the book. I didn't believe the Pisa studies anyway :D


Hm, I think Snatcher is busy right now, but I can give you the answers to this question, too.

SPOILER
No, he didn't shot her, but him (Quilty). Is it based on true facts? No, I think Nabokov had wrote [did write? has wrote? whatever...] it just with his poetric fantasy, but maybe the novel became reality somewhere, sometimes meanwhile.
End of spoiler

BTW here's a nice wallpaper with a capture of Lyne's Version of Lolita.
http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/1874/lolita9cy.th.jpg (http://img342.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lolita9cy.jpg)

[Bondius]

Wait wait (SPOILER) I was talking about the part when he went at her home to give her the cash. When he was leaving, he asked her again if she would come but she said no. At that part he grabbed his gun but didn't say if he shot somebody. All that it said was that he left in his car and Lo screamed or something. (END OF SPOILER)

[Dolores Haze]

Los Spoilos:
I think he was just angry and very frustrated in that moment and maybe he thought about shooting her husband (be aware Jeremy :lol:) . But no, he didn't shot her, simply because if he had shot her, she couldn't die after she had giving birth.

[Bondius]

Yes, true. I was thinking it was a fleshwound or something
So this is my short version of Lolita. Can't think of a good review.



Lolita - Short Version by Radu "Bondius" Bogdan


*SPOILERS*


The book is based on the confessions of a man that went through 5 hard years of his life and finally got into jail where he later died of a heart attack.
The story rotates around the life of a man, Humbert Humbert. Since he was a child he loved a girl but she died from disease. The childhood trauma of his dead girlfriend left him with a scar on his soul and so he had a passion for young girls. He wasn't a pedophile, he was just atracted to them like he was to his old girlfriend.
As a middle-aged man, he discoveres Lolita, a 12 years old girl. He falls deeply in love (double-underline LOve) with her and in an attempt to remain with her, he marries her mother who was in love with him as well but did now know his intentions. After Charlotte, Lola's mother, finds out about his passion for her daughter she tries to run but a car accident kills her.
The only close relative that Lolita, who was in a summer camp when her mother died, was his step-father, Humbert. Finally his dreams become reality and he can be all alone with Lo.
After he surrenders to his basic instincts and rapes her (but not in the animalic way) in a Hotel, Lola later finds out her mother is dead and they both go on a long trip around USA.
After 1 year, when Lola goes to school, he starts to fear that she will tell someone of that night and so much more. At 14, near the end of school, Lola wants to get away from all and so they both go on another trip around USA where he rapes (as the first time, not in an animalic way) her the second time.
During that time, Lolita wanishes. Heartbroken because the loss of his beloved, he remains for some time with Rita, a woman that seemed to care about him very much. But he had his heart reserved only for Lola.
2 years later he recives a letter from her. She was married and pregnant but she and her husband didn't have too much money. He tried to get her back but she refused him. To help them out he gave them $4000. In a last attempt he asked her if she would come live with her but she refused again.
The rest of it flashed away for his Lolita was lost forever.


"Lolita, or the Confession of a White Widowed Male"...so was the original title of the book. It must be one of the most sad stories I have ever heard.
5 years of his life messed around by a little girl. Sadly, he died in jail of coronary thrombosis, on November 16, 1952, shortly before his trials were about to start... he got into jail for shooting Quilty, the guy who took his Lola away.
Another sad fact is that she died at childbirth shortly after he died, in 1952, Christmas, at only 17 years.
A quote from the book that impressed me the most: "I wish this memoir to be published only when Lolita is no longer alive. Thus, neither of us is alive when the reader opens this book.". In real life, if Lolita ever had the chance to read this, she would surely break down and cry for the closest person as a father she ever had.
Truly one of the most touching stories of love, hate and everything they resemble I have ever laid my hands on. May they both rest in peace.

:tears:

[PayBays]

Cool,...you're spoiling my fun...try putting SPOILERS behind the topic name

[Bondius]

Well I do say "spoilers" everytime I say something out of the book. :roll:

Well ... I saw the movie and even then, when I actually spoke the words from the book with Humbert, my eyes filled with tears :tears:
Such a beautiful yet tragic and dramatic story ... :tears:

[D13U]

Well... I can't really do justice to the book with this post.. I shall edit it/make a new one tomorrow, for I ahve just spent an entire 14 hours reading the book from cover to cover (With a few breaks, of course). I must say, it was and extremely well written, and well developed piece of literature.
Though.. if somebody who has also read the book.. please tell me...

**Slight Spoilers**

I'm totally perplexed as to what happens between the time when Dolores (Lolita) leaves the hospital with Quilty and when the main character (What was his name, exactly? Something Humbert, Humbert Something, Humbert Humbert ????? He referred to himself in many different ways..) receives the letter from Dolores asking for money... I'm going to end up reading it (or at least that one part) over again just to get the meaning.. but help. Please.

**End Spoilers**

Anyway.. seeing as I'm extremely mentally exhausted, and it's après minuit, I'm off to bed.

[Bondius]

**Answer to D13U - SPOILERS**
When Humbert and Lo meet again she tells him what happened:
She was mad about Quilty at that time. "Everybody knew he liked children". She also said that he liked to make movies ... "two guys and two girls; three or even four guys" (pornographic movies) but she didn't want to "blow all those beastie boys" (as she said). She wanted HIM. And so, since he confesses to Humbert that he's impotent (remember the scene when H.H is about to shoot him), he throws her out. The rest is history but I guess she meets Dick, she falls in love and she marries him.

[350km/h_no_problem]

Quote:


Lolita - Short Version by Radu "Bondius" Bogdan


*SPOILERS*


The book is based on the confessions of a man that went through 5 hard years of his life and finally got into jail where he later died of a heart attack.
The story rotates around the life of a man, Humbert Humbert. Since he was a child he loved a girl but she died from disease. The childhood trauma of his dead girlfriend left him with a scar on his soul and so he had a passion for young girls. He wasn't a pedophile, he was just atracted to them like he was to his old girlfriend.
As a middle-aged man, he discoveres Lolita, a 12 years old girl. He falls deeply in love (double-underline LOve) with her and in an attempt to remain with her, he marries her mother who was in love with him as well but did now know his intentions. After Charlotte, Lola's mother, finds out about his passion for her daughter she tries to run but a car accident kills her.
The only close relative that Lolita, who was in a summer camp when her mother died, was his step-father, Humbert. Finally his dreams become reality and he can be all alone with Lo.
After he surrenders to his basic instincts and rapes her (but not in the animalic way) in a Hotel, Lola later finds out her mother is dead and they both go on a long trip around USA.
After 1 year, when Lola goes to school, he starts to fear that she will tell someone of that night and so much more. At 14, near the end of school, Lola wants to get away from all and so they both go on another trip around USA where he rapes (as the first time, not in an animalic way) her the second time.
During that time, Lolita wanishes. Heartbroken because the loss of his beloved, he remains for some time with Rita, a woman that seemed to care about him very much. But he had his heart reserved only for Lola.
2 years later he recives a letter from her. She was married and pregnant but she and her husband didn't have too much money. He tried to get her back but she refused him. To help them out he gave them $4000. In a last attempt he asked her if she would come live with her but she refused again.
The rest of it flashed away for his Lolita was lost forever.


"Lolita, or the Confession of a White Widowed Male"...so was the original title of the book. It must be one of the most sad stories I have ever heard.
5 years of his life messed around by a little girl. Sadly, he died in jail of coronary thrombosis, on November 16, 1952, shortly before his trials were about to start... he got into jail for shooting Quilty, the guy who took his Lola away.
Another sad fact is that she died at childbirth shortly after he died, in 1952, Christmas, at only 17 years.
A quote from the book that impressed me the most: "I wish this memoir to be published only when Lolita is no longer alive. Thus, neither of us is alive when the reader opens this book.". In real life, if Lolita ever had the chance to read this, she would surely break down and cry for the closest person as a father she ever had.
Truly one of the most touching stories of love, hate and everything they resemble I have ever laid my hands on. May they both rest in peace.




k dude...u made me search for the book too ...... i put it down very nice there!!! :wink:

[Steve]

**SPOLIER**

Actually its not, Just thought I would add another **Spolier** Post :)

[350km/h_no_problem]

hey man leave the spoilers alone dude they did no harm to u man..........

[Steve]

^cant you take abit of humour!! chill out man

[Bondius]

Sorry, guys, I just couldn't help myself :mrgreen:

http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/8599/lolitawallpaper10pp.th.jpg (http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lolitawallpaper10pp.jpg)

[D13U]

**Spoiler**
Nononooo Bondius, I meant what happened to H.H. What siginificance (If any) did the fake names and Rita have to the story whatsoever? Was he just trying to use them as filler? etc, etc. Wanna just gimme a quick summary of what happened to H.H. after Lolita left the hospital, but before he received the letter? Thanks a lot.
**End Spoiler**
Anyway.. seeing as I'm extremely mentally exhausted, and it's après minuit, I'm off to bed.
I didn't even realize this. You can easily tell I spent all day reading that book, I even picked up part of his writing style :shock:

Okay, well I'm going to reread the book.. I feel there's so much I missed. I probably won't be posting the rest of today and perhaps part of tomorrow (I have work today, too).

[Bondius]

**Spoiler**
Nononooo Bondius, I meant what happened to H.H. What siginificance (If any) did the fake names and Rita have to the story whatsoever? Was he just trying to use them as filler? etc, etc. Wanna just gimme a quick summary of what happened to H.H. after Lolita left the hospital, but before he received the letter? Thanks a lot.
*To Spoil Or Not To Spoil*
The fake names had no significance. C.Q used another name everytime just to cover his tracks but his handwriting decived him. Rita was just his partner in the time Lola was gone.
And after Lo left the hospital, he followed her trail for months untill it got cold. Then (if I remember right) he returned to town where he met Rita, who became his friend for the time beeing (untill he got the letter, went after Lo, shot C.Q and wound up in jail).

[PayBays]

By the way...even if you're placing spoilers my eyes keep reading...try doing it like this


* SPOILERS *




















type text...

[D13U]

Well thanks, Bondius, and Pay.. get some self control!

[PayBays]

I can't control my eyes if it has something to do with Alizée :wink:

[Bondius]

It has NOTHING to do with Alizee, PayBays :wink: it's all about the book, the girl, the story. If there's anything about Alizee I'll underline it just for you hehe

[PayBays]

It has NOTHING to do with Alizee, PayBays :wink: it's all about the book, the girl, the story. If there's anything about Alizee I'll underline it just for you hehe

Lolita connects to....Alizée
the book connects to...Alizée
the person connects to...Alizée playing this in a clip

So...

Everything in that book reminds me of Alizée her song...Everytime i read the word Lolita or the name,i was thinking about her.Thanks to Alizée we're reading it.

Honestly ( you have to admit ) Without Alizée we wouldn't read the book

[D13U]

There's actually not that much having to do with the song. The title, and perhaps 2-3 lines (excluding the "Je m'appelle Lolita," and such) having somewhat of a connection. Overall the song isn't totally influenced by the book, in my opinion. Perhaps a few underlying thoughts, but that's it.

[Bondius]

To be honest I grabbed the book to see if it has something to do with Alizée but it's totally different. The song is about what "Lolita" means mostly, the book is different.
But I really think one day I might of grabbed the book without Alizée pointing it out.

[Bondius]

Well ... I think I made a passion for the movie and the book .. my second wallpaper heh:
http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/1774/lolitawallpaper25hr.th.jpg (http://img334.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lolitawallpaper25hr.jpg)
"She was Lo, plain Lo, in the morning, standing four feet ten in one sock. She was Lola in slacks. She was Dolly at school. She was Dolores on the dotted line. But in my arms she was always Lolita."

[Snatcher42]

Saw the 1997 movie last night (the one you're getting all those pics from, Bondius). Pretty good, better than I expected. I recommend it: B+ (versus an A+ for the novel). It had some problems, but I'll talk about it more once I get to see the Kubrik version as well.

The song is about what "Lolita" means mostly, the book is different.
Right, but that's a big thing: the whole concept and term "Lolita" wouldn't exist as it does if not for this book, and that is what the song owes to it.

Not to mention Lili looks so cute holding it! :oops:

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/1333/26pp.jpg

[PayBays]

She's so sweet there...She was like 16 or something...i can't remind her when i see her now

[Snatcher42]

She's so sweet there...She was like 16 or something...i can't remind her when i see her now
Huh? The pic's pretty recent (comparatively speaking): Fun TV 2003... so she was 18 or so.

[Bondius]

Hehehe she looks like a 10 years girl looking for the first time at a comic book :cheesy:

[Melodramatic]

There's actually not that much having to do with the song. The title, and perhaps 2-3 lines (excluding the "Je m'appelle Lolita," and such) having somewhat of a connection. Overall the song isn't totally influenced by the book, in my opinion. Perhaps a few underlying thoughts, but that's it.
Right. But everyone's forgetting the bridge for Moi... Lolita. The "Lo-Lee-Ta" was completely ripped from Humbert Humbert's line in the first page.

[PayBays]

She's so sweet there...She was like 16 or something...i can't remind her when i see her now
Huh? The pic's pretty recent (comparatively speaking): Fun TV 2003... so she was 18 or so.

like i said Snatcher...i can't really remember her...it's all a bit new for me,what she has done.I only knew her as a 16 year old girl,and now she has baby and stuff.It's difficult to guess here age for me

[Bondius]

Aww c'mon, she looks silly in that pic but in a cute way :wub:

[PayBays]

She looks really cute yeah...but it's just like what i said.I knew her since she started with Moi...Lolita and lost her...and now i see her back and think...what has happened...such things,but i'm glad she did pop-out as a real star

( bondius no comments on this please :oops: )

[Bondius]

No, I'm actually gonna ask Snatcher to post a comment on the movie hehe :cheesy:
(well, a big comment, not a "T'was fine")

[PayBays]

Saw the 1997 movie last night (the one you're getting all those pics from, Bondius). Pretty good, better than I expected. I recommend it: B+ (versus an A+ for the novel). It had some problems, but I'll talk about it more once I get to see the Kubrik version as well.

The song is about what "Lolita" means mostly, the book is different.
Right, but that's a big thing: the whole concept and term "Lolita" wouldn't exist as it does if not for this book, and that is what the song owes to it.

Not to mention Lili looks so cute holding it! :oops:

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/1333/26pp.jpg

You think that is cute!

She thinks: Did i made this?

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[PayBays]

http://www.digischool.nl/ckv1/literatuur/nabokov/vladimir_nabokov.htm


check it out!

[Snatcher42]

Finally done with my Lolita marathon: saw the Kubrick movie today. I didn't really like it. Being unfaithful to source material is one thing, I don't mind that. This movie just seemed dry. That's Kubrick for ya, I guess (I've never been a fan of his), but it doesn't sit right with this story, imo. They expanded Quilty's role rather ridiculously, seemingly just to give Peter Sellers something to do. But worst of all for me was the scene where Humbert is reunited with Lolita after three long years. This was one of only two places where the novel made me cry. The 1997 movie didn't bring the same gushers, but it at least watered my eyes. However here it's just so... flat. The acting seems forced and the emotions false. Throughout the whole movie there is a sense of the characters being manipulated by the script and director, rather than an illusion of them acting on their own accord. In this scene, that problem is at it's worst.

That being said, the movie's not a total wash. Kubrick's humor comes through strongly, and at times I feel James Mason's Humbert rings more true than Jeremy Irons' to the man in the novel (primarily when showing his cruelty and deviousness). Overall I guess I'd give this version a C-.

C- for Kubrick, B+ for Lyne, and A+ for Nabokov.

Oh... it's almost cliché to say it now, but I guess I should: Lolita looks far too old in both movies.

[Bondius]

I don't know about the old movie but i don't think that in the 1997 movie Lolita looks "old". The story starts when she's 12 (in the book) but in the movie she's already 14 so there's a big difference. Belive me, I've seen 14 yo girls that look like 17 ... you should really ask for proof that she's a major when going out with one hehehe

[Snatcher42]

I don't know about the old movie but i don't think that in the 1997 movie Lolita looks "old". The story starts when she's 12 (in the book) but in the movie she's already 14 so there's a big difference. Belive me, I've seen 14 yo girls that look like 17 ... you should really ask for proof that she's a major when going out with one hehehe
But that's the point: they should not have made her 14 in the movie. They should have kept her 12 (and cast a younger actress... only reason they didn't was to avoid a scandal). That's important because as Humbert says, a "nymphet" is only between the ages of 9 and 14.

[Bondius]

(and cast a younger actress... only reason they didn't was to avoid a scandal)
Of course. But I don't think they would find a real nymphet at 12 year old ... to be honest even when I look at 12 yo girls I think of them as children. When you reach 14 stuff gets interesting ("What can happen at 14 years can affect your whole life" as H.H. said ...

[Snatcher42]

I think they could have, and should have. Again, the idea isn't to have a girl that every man would be attracted too, only a certain type. Namely: people like Humbert (his famous line in the book about given a class picture, not every man could point out the nymphet because she's not the cutest, not the most beautiful, etc).

[Bondius]

Well, I'm no artist, no madman, so I don't see things the way he saw them. I'm past 14 so I'm past childhood trauma stuff.
Correct me if I'm wrong... didn't Lo have blonde hair? In the movie she has red ...

[Snatcher42]

The book says auburn, I believe, which is "A moderate reddish brown to brown." Pretty much, in fact, like Lili's hair in the early days of the Moi... Lolita video. :)

[Bondius]

Yea, but in the '97 movie it's pure red hair. Heh .. they should of dyed her :mrgreen:

[D13U]

Of course. But I don't think they would find a real nymphet at 12 year old ... to be honest even when I look at 12 yo girls I think of them as children. When you reach 14 stuff gets interesting ("What can happen at 14 years can affect your whole life" as H.H. said ...
Well you aren't a pedophile, now are yoU?
But that's the point: they should not have made her 14 in the movie. They should have kept her 12 (and cast a younger actress... only reason they didn't was to avoid a scandal). That's important because as Humbert says, a "nymphet" is only between the ages of 9 and 14.
Actually, Humbert continues to love Lolita, even when she's 18 (How old is she at the end? 17, 18, or 19?) Though, I do agree with you. She should not be 14 in the movie.

[Snatcher42]

Actually, Humbert continues to love Lolita, even when she's 18 (How old is she at the end? 17, 18, or 19?) Though, I do agree with you. She should not be 14 in the movie.
Yeah, 17. Though again that's a major point of the book: she starts out as a young nymphet, yet by the end he still loves her even when she no longer is... by messing with her age in the movies, they lessen the impact of that change.

[Melodramatic]

Actually, Humbert continues to love Lolita, even when she's 18 (How old is she at the end? 17, 18, or 19?) Though, I do agree with you. She should not be 14 in the movie.
Yeah, 17. Though again that's a major point of the book: she starts out as a young nymphet, yet by the end he still loves her even when she no longer is... by messing with her age in the movies, they lessen the impact of that change.
Yep. Hum unexpectedly fell for Lo & exceeded his criteria for the nymphet "age limit". But it was too late. The could've-been between them was tainted by his past actions & is beyond redemption at least for Lo.

[Bondius]

Of course. But I don't think they would find a real nymphet at 12 year old ... to be honest even when I look at 12 yo girls I think of them as children. When you reach 14 stuff gets interesting ("What can happen at 14 years can affect your whole life" as H.H. said ...
Well you aren't a pedophile, now are yoU?
I'm 15! How can I be a pedo at 15? :blink: I think it's quite normal for me too look at girls my age :mrgreen:

[D13U]

:?
Alright... I guess you win this one.

[Bondius]

Hehe ... no hard feelings :wink: but I think we all see I'm right ... :wink:

[Greenie]

I have heard about it :P it's stoopid or sth... lol :)

[Bondius]

Bah ... you don't appreciate real books :what:

[DavidAlizée]

I have heard about it :P it's stoopid or sth... lol :)

yes, well said. Very strange and twisted book.

[D13U]

Yes... it is quite strange, I admit. But I also must admit it is one of the most well-written books I've ever read.. and I read a lot.

[DavidAlizée]

Everytime i see the word lolita, i always think of this song i used to listen to as a kid at Christmas time, and still do.

Dear Senor Santa Claus I think I tell you what
I would like for Christmas and I hope you won't forgot
I only want a peso that I can have for mine
To get my senorita something for Christmas time
I don't believe you read the card last Christmas that I sent
You come to see the kids across the street and then you went
Dear Senor Santa Claus I think me understand
Sometimes the toys all gone before you reach the Rio Grande

Dear Senor Santa Claus I tell you what I think
I no got a stockin' I set out my piggy bank
So please bring me peso that I can have for mine
To get my senorita something for Christmas time
On Christmas Eve I watch for you and I no sleep a wink
If I no get Lolita something she feel sad I think
So please Senor Santa Claus this Christmas be so grand
If I get peso to buy ring for my Lolita's hand

I don't know what I buy for her I think I buy a rose
So she can wear it in her hair most everywhere she goes
Please Senor Santa Claus this Christmas be so grand
If I get peso to buy ring for my Lolita's hand
If I get peso to buy ring for my Lolita's hand

[Bondius]

Hmm :blink: wierd christmas song ...

[PayBays]

Lolita Bells....is it that song?

[DavidAlizée]

Hmm :blink: wierd christmas song ...

you know, you have to atleast give a reason.....

[Bondius]

Well first of all it's half mexican or whatever language is that.
Second: What does Lolita have to do with christmas? As far as I know, Lolita is a girl who seduces older men ... I dont know ... Lolita and Christmas just don't add up to me.

[Snatcher42]

The song is probably old. The name did exist before the book. Heh, Nabokov even said once that he is "probably responsible for parents not naming their children 'Lolita' anymore." :)

[username]

i like lolitas but someday they all will look like turtles

[PayBays]

woo! you have a fine avatar username!

[Le Fidèle]

i didnt want to post a new thread. but will anyone explane the song Moi lolita and what it means, i watched the movie, but i dont get it, the random guy at the beggining and end, the mad mom, her being in what seemed to be a dance club, while some of them were freakdancing? with her little sister there? PLEASE some one help. this is the only song i cant understand.

[DavidAlizée]

Well first of all it's half mexican or whatever language is that.
Second: What does Lolita have to do with christmas? As far as I know, Lolita is a girl who seduces older men ... I dont know ... Lolita and Christmas just don't add up to me.

haha, that made me laugh. So is that what you think Lolita means? lol..
Lolita means "young and sexy" you know, the word lolita does not revolve around "the book". The song has spanish meanings in btw..
Lolita is his younger Girlfriend.. it was very common to use "lolita" back then, for a young and attractive girl. It is only in todays modern age, the word is associated with underage pedo crap.

but will anyone explane the song Moi lolita and what it means

In brief, Alizée herself said Lolita or ( moi lolita ) is about a young girl, that older men find attractive, but like all girls her age, she just wants to have fun.


Yes Snatcher the song is very old, Jim Reeves :P
Rock on!

[Bondius]

haha, that made me laugh. So is that what you think Lolita means? lol..
Lolita means "young and sexy" you know, the word lolita does not revolve around "the book". The song has spanish meanings in btw..
Lolita is his younger Girlfriend.. it was very common to use "lolita" back then, for a young and attractive girl. It is only in todays modern age, the word is associated with underage pedo crap.

Ok, ok, you know better :wink:

[Ned]

Lolita means both a girl who seduces older men and young and sexy. Therefore she is a young and sexy girl who seduces older men. Yes it's about pedo crap, but not what Nabucov's book is about. :what: :=D:

[DavidAlizée]

nono, The actual word Lolita does not mean anything about pedophiles.

I will just quote micha, he knows the meaning and states it very clear.

If i could find the American son of a bitch who made people believe that 'Lolita' is connected to sex or pornography, i'd kill him.

What is Lolita?

These days the name Lolita is being used to describe a certain type of young teenage girl.
The more scientific term is nymphet, wich infact also comes from Nabokov's book, since it is the term Humbert Humbert created to describe the girls he is obsessed with.
What makes a young teenage girl a Lolita, is first of all a combination of several factors.

1: The beginning of sexual and emotional developing from child to woman. When a girl starts to discover her own sexual feelings. This causes the girl to get curious about sex.

2: The discovery that she has a strange power over men, regardless of the age of the men also is a factor that creates a Lolita mind.

3: A bad family situation like split parents, a depressed lonely mother or father who ruin the atmosphere, or a poor and lonely family where love and protection doesn't exist. Or a situation where the young girl actually fears her parent or parents because of physical and mental abuse.
These situation can cause the girl to look for love, protection, and pleasure in other places, sometimes even the wrong places. And thus when the girl doesn't have a real father, she'll try to fill the lack of a father figure in older guys or men, even if that meens doing things to please these men.

4: One other factor is ofcourse the look. The look of these girls is one of the most dangerous factors in the explination of a Lolita.
Because these girls are growing up into women, they start to look like sexual beings. But since they have only started this developing, they also still have the looks and, even partially the attitude, of a young girl.
The large brown eyes, sweet face, and the petite physique or small figure of the young lady, wich we consider cute and adorable, and the small figure of the young lady is now combined with the seductive, sensual and sexual look of a woman.
It is a look that not many men are able to fully resist. What also counts is the fact that many men only think about what they want when it comes to sexuality, and not what the other person wants, and this creates one of the biggest conflicts in the history of human sexuality, because a Lolita is not mature enough to defend herself against male lust and psysical power.


And this is where we get to te bottom line of your question.
Everything that i just explained is the truth about Lolitas, and it is the only real and honest truth.

Don't be fooled by the media. Don't be fooled by the internet. A Lolita is not a little slut or whore, a Lolita is not a blond woman with pigtails, a lollypop, pink lipstick and a japanese school outfit or cheerleader costume. A real Lolita can not be found on any of the sex sites wich claimes to have Lolitas. Lolitas can not be found on kiddie porn sites. Lolitas are not American singers like Britney or Christina when they were 16 or 17.
Lolitas are not in the media because being a real Lolita is really not a product or a look someone can create at any age, and if you really understood what Alizée has explained about herself, you understand that she really was just playing a role in her first clip. That was why she was in a poor family, and that was why she was made to look like someone else in Moi Lolita.


So, NO Lolita is not a whore.

[Melodramatic]

We seriously need Micha back here.

[FiEsTa]

Anyone of you saw the film Lolita? I really cried when I saw that...

@ people who saw the film, what is your opinion about it ?

and for the explanation of the word Lolita, it means when adult men feel sexual attracted by precocious girls. I hope I wrote it right.

[Bondius]

Depends on what movie, Mo. Me and Snatch saw the 1997 one but only he saw the other (older) version. Check back a few pages :wink:

[FiEsTa]

there is only one Lolita movie I know from 1967 I think it was ....

[Icyhot]

I made a little review for you all on my thoughts of the book!

WARNING: IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BOOK AND WANT TO DON'T READ THIS...

I just finished reading this book a little less than one week ago and I have to say it's the best book i have read so far.Here is a little insight to the book before I begin my review. The main character Humbert Humbert is a French man obsessed with a 12 year old girl named Dolores Haze who reminds he of a past love he has lost. The story starts with the events and things that led up to his meeting Lolita.The story goes on and he ends up marrying Lolita's mother Charlotte Haze who has fallen in love with him. He must marry her or she will have him leave because of embarassment for him not loving her back. Anyways as it goes on Lolita goes to camp and Charlotte is killed in a freak accident. When humbert picks her up the love affair starts but his love affair quickly turns into more of a sadistic prostituion in which Lolita gives Humber what he wants as long as she is happy. The story continues and I will not ruin the end now for the review!

This book is just amazing in storyline and characters both. The character Humbert Humbert is very believable as he talks about his struggles and his love for his Lolita. He is very believable to be a smart yet abit insane man who is obsessed with this girl. Lolita is a firecracker just like in little girl is and the things she does portrays this very well. As she gets older you can tell she is changing in her thought process and emotion as she becomes a teenager. She is truely the second most interesting character next to Humbert. Her mother was also played out very well as someone who was abit stingy and boring. She seems to be a bit evil wanting to rid herself of Lolita after her and Humbert marry. The detail offered in this book is very good too. You can picture very well the characters and places in your mind. The storyline is absolute genius too I almost cried in some parts of the books or felt extreme joy it almost felt real. I have to say I read this book because of the contreversy but i forgot about it about 2 chapters into the book its just amazing in general and well worth reading!

This book is the best i have ever read truely it was ver fascinating and really quite enjoyable. It is very believable too actually nothing is so far out there you think "wow thats just not possible". I bought a 1955 first edition 12th impression of the book! In good shape but there in an inscription in it oh well it adds history to it i guess!

[Ask For More]

downloading now :D

[Le Fidèle]

isnt this book, like. extremely long? my teacher recomended this book to me. i have no idea why. i'd rather read harry potter.

[Bondius]

Harry Potter is a fantasy book ... Lolita is a book based on real facts. And if you think 250 pages = extremely long then how can you read HP when (if I'm not wrong) the last 2-3 books have more than 400 pages? :wink:

[PayBays]

Harry Potter is fantasy.There is no boy of the age of whatever he is,who can have such powers and flies on a broom.

Lolita is based on the truth,Harry Potter is just a ****** moneymaker

[Dolores Haze]

Come on, I like Harry Pothead ... no, not really :cheesy: In fact, I want to smoke him in a bong... :wink:

Maybe your teacher told you to read the book, because it is written in a great style and everyone could learn something from it.

[ArlettyFan]

THAT was from Dolares Haze herself! How divine! :cheesy:

[Bondius]

There's only one thing I like in Harry Potter (the trilogy, not him) ... that's Hermione ... well, at least in the movies :mrgreen:
I see you changed your avatar/sig, Lo ... nice, nice, very nice actually :mrgreen:

[Le Fidèle]

LOL, yeah, hormoine (in the movie) is very beautiful. i dont read the books. but i might have to read lolita this year. dumb english. :x