Why the 2nd cd....

[Ange]

Why did Alizee's second album not sell well?
Was it the marketing?
Was it because the melodies in the songs change?
Did the fans lose interest in her?

I know we all have our own opinions but I am a newbie when it comes to Alizee so I don't really have an answer for these things, so maybe you do. Also, how many albums did the second album sell?

[Snatcher42]

It sold fine... around 300,000 copies (a double disque d'or) - which is very much par for any successful French pop album. The only reason some people say it did poorly is in comparison to Moi Lolita and Gourmandises. But there's no way anything could measure up to that insane success. In truth, MCE is quite the normal one, and it's Lolita/Gourmandises that's the aberration.

[Emmerdale001]

I don't think she could've topped Gourmandises. Moi...Lolita simply exploded, and that translated into great sales. It is difficult for any music artist to duplicate that kind of success the second time around. Moi...Lolita is the kind of song that comes around once every decade or two. It is spontaneous and connects with the people, and that leads to the song spreading like wild-fire. Only a small number of artists have ever managed to release several songs that had such an effect on the people.

I could name probably two or three who have been around in my lifetime who have done it, but that's it.

[Backinblack]

Besides the points mentioned by Snatcher and Emmerdale, the other big problem is that Universal (and Mylène and Laurent, though we don't know exactly how much input they had) really screwed up the promotion of MCE; otherwise she could have easily sold a lot more.

Some of the French fans were talking about this awhile back; I wanted to mention some of these points eventually anyway, so this looks like a good place. JEAM was a bad way to introduce the new album. Of course, they wanted to create a new, more mature image of her, but they could have done it better with a different song like ACC. Too many people (parents, in particular) were turned off by the sailor suit. And the lyrics were debatable at best. However, both JEAM and the album got off to a decent start. But then she left France for two months to promote in Spain and Germany. Universal overestimated the appeal of her English songs. While she did well in those countries, her album sales were suffering in France (why leave the country for 2 months during such a critical period?), so they released JPVA sooner than originally planned, in hopes of reviving album sales. Big mistake. Not only did JPVA seem to be a jab at Lorie's A vingt ans, but once again Alizée was performing in parent-unfriendly attire. Her team had to have known what kind of camera angles would be taken during such performances as Hit Machine and 100 ans du Tour de France, yet they never thought it better to have her wear something a little less risqué. Also, the music video wasn't received well, being just a carbon copy of her TV performances. French fans who were used to the Lolita image had a hard time identifying with her new look, onstage and offstage (her teenage female fan base wasn't the miniskirt-wearing type nor the baggy grunge look type). By the time ACC was released, it was too late to reverse that image, even though that single sold better than JPVA. In my opinion, ACC was the foundation of the album--she should have started with that song, released JEAM later, and chosen a different song (I would have liked Hey Amigo :wub: ; it would have worked well as a summer hit) instead of JPVA.

Hindsight is 20/20, Mylène & co. have years and years of showbiz experience, but it seems something wasn't done quite right here. Alizée probably had very little say in the whole matter, so you can't really blame her.

[tern]

All great and valid words BiB. Thanks for pointing all those out. Oh well, I love those performances and they didn't tarnish her image of her, in fact in my mind they made her noticeable to me. Shame her "usual" fans aren't the same.

[Snatcher42]

True, true... though I think those points mostly effected the single sales as opposed to the sales of the album itself. Yeah MCE could have sold better, but 300,000 is still a pretty solid number for any album. JEAM did ok too because of the excitement of Alizée's return. But when her single sales started dropping to unusually low levels with JPVA & ACC, Universal realized they had screwed up. So that resulted in the last few months of the MCE era going out with more of a whimper than it shoulda-coulda (the semi puttering-out of the concert tour, no real 4th single, lack of excitement surrounding the DVD release, etc.).

[Backinblack]

But the singles are there mainly to support the album. When the choice of singles is poor, the album sales suffer too. A poor image also hurts album sales more than singles sales.

[FiEsTa]

well its true... her image changed a lot, but for me its still the same Alizée as the was before

[ArlettyFan]

It's funny, how JPVA wasn't the best song to select...and yet I like JPVA, so one thing to be glad about with the outcome that happened is that it has promotion and performance, even though i'd let another take it's place, I like how the JPVA stuff turned out....

Though I admit, when I was first researching Alizée, I think before I even found this place, I was taking a peek at jpva on crappy streaming on the official site, and my reaction was pretty much: "How is the Alizée?? This is campy!!"

[Snatcher42]

But the singles are there mainly to support the album. When the choice of singles is poor, the album sales suffer too. A poor image also hurts album sales more than singles sales.
Yes, but what I meant was that the album got off to a strong start, so the effect of the change in image didn't really become noticeable until those later singles. It could have kept selling more had those singles been received better, but by then the album had already done well for itself anyway.

Though I admit, when I was first researching Alizée, I think before I even found this place, I was taking a peek at jpva on crappy streaming on the official site, and my reaction was pretty much: "How is the Alizée?? This is campy!!"
Well we've mentioned before how the idea behind JPVA was probably to create something to promote the tour: a stage setting, the tour musicians, etc. That's likely one of the fundamental problems behind the whole marketing of the second album - they started thinking about the tour too early, before properly re-establishing Lili's fanbase with videos and songs like ACC.

[FiEsTa]

From other forums I know people really lost interest at her, I don't know if it was the reason because she has changed her image... For me... there never was really a special "Alizée Image". Like many people say the Moi Lolita times, or the Moi Lolita image... I never thought on that way. Alizée was all the time for me Alizée.
and not the little lolita... I think there are "some" people who lost interest at her, cause they can't call her the lolita anymore because she is making progress in the music scene and is changing her self. This is my opinion.

I still remember when Alizée said "The Moi Lolita times are over"

[Ramon_Morales_Jr]

I still remember when Alizée said "The Moi Lolita times are over"


that really sux

[kennythekid]

:cry: :cry: yeah that realy sux ....old times :cry: :cry:

[le bear]

BIB and Snatcher, you guys are very intelligent. I always enjoy reading your posts. I don't think anyone could have put it better. Maybe Alizee should consider hiring you as marketing consultants.

I'm being serious, not sarcastic, less anyone thinks that by the way.

Great posts

[PayBays]

Anyone here has something against Gourmandises :evil: :evil: :evil:

that Single was awesome :wub: :wub: Gourmandises :wub: :wub:

Haven't heard the whole cd,but if this number is on it it,can't fail!

[Snatcher42]

Paybays, what are you talking about? No one said anything bad about Gourmandises.

[PayBays]

Paybays, what are you talking about? No one said anything bad about Gourmandises.


that's why i did 3 Devils behind it :wink: :wink: :wink:

you know :wub: Gourmandises :wub: is my favorite

[Ask For More]

i can't follow you :lol:

[PayBays]

because you can't .I putted 3 devils behind it so that nobody would say something bad about the disc...

And...i'm having a terrible desease.I'm really addicted to Alizée and exspacialy to Gourmandises :wub:

[Melodramatic]

because you can't .I putted 3 devils behind it so that nobody would say something bad about the disc...

And...i'm having a terrible desease.I'm really addicted to Alizée and exspacialy to Gourmandises :wub:
Ugh, no offense Paybays but I find the track Gourmandises to be tideous. My loyalty stays with L'Alize & Moi... Lolita.

[Melodramatic]

Too many people (parents, in particular) were turned off by the sailor suit. And the lyrics were debatable at best. However, both JEAM and the album got off to a decent start. But then she left France for two months to promote in Spain and Germany. Universal overestimated the appeal of her English songs. While she did well in those countries, her album sales were suffering in France (why leave the country for 2 months during such a critical period?), so they released JPVA sooner than originally planned, in hopes of reviving album sales. Big mistake. Not only did JPVA seem to be a jab at Lorie's A vingt ans, but once again Alizée was performing in parent-unfriendly attire. Her team had to have known what kind of camera angles would be taken during such performances as Hit Machine and 100 ans du Tour de France, yet they never thought it better to have her wear something a little less risqué.

I really don't get this. Why are they so shocked/opposed about the risqué image when Alizée has been using that image ever since at the beginning of her career. Notice the Moi... Lolita stage outfit (the one that showed her bum), her L'Alizé stage outfit (see through showing bra), & her Gourmandises outfit which speaks for itself. nothing to squirm about her risqué image especially in France. She deserved better.

[Snatcher42]

Well back then those things were kind of cutesy / kiddy. Like a girl playing sexy dress-up with mommy's cloths, people could just sort of smile at it. It wasn't entirely that, obviously. There was a risqué element... but delivered by a sweet young girl. That worked perfectly with a self-aware song like Moi Lolita (it isn't just risqué, it's about being risqué). By JEAM Lili was older, and that sort of tongue-in-check wink in her image and content was gone.

[le grand d'or]

Gourmandises is better than Mes courant Electriques!
The Gourmandises songs are very different and in MCE they are likely...

MCE has not enough 'pepper' , like in "Hey Amigo" and "c'est trop tard".
All songs are great, but it seems they are not great enough...
J'ai pas vingt ans and à contre courant are the best!

But in the first Album was it more... ....more what?
...yes, it think it was just more advertisement for the first Album!!
For the second it was not much of it in the TV and Internet...

"Moi Lolita" was the great big sentation, but the second Album was only the second....
They depended on the succes of the first Album, but the succes was not enough Advertisment for it...
And it was maybe the Promotion. Her performances of "J'en ai marre".
The most of people looked only at her dance and the Song, single and Album was no matter... :roll:

[Melodramatic]

How was the 1st album marketed & also the 2nd? I heard they released the album first for MCE & then released the singles afterwards. Bad move if you ask me. All I know is that they played the ML song first & when the people responded, that's when the success came.

[Snatcher42]

Info from Nidalizee:

Moi Lolita, Sortie le 4 juillet 2000
L'Alizé, Sortie le 28 novembre 2000
Gourmandises (album), Sortie le 28 novembre 2000
PTB, Sortie le 18 avril 2001
Gourmandises (single), Sortie le 14 août 2001

JEAM, Sortie le 25 février 2003
MCE, Sortie le 18 mars 2003
JPVA, Sortie le 3 juin 2003
ACC, Sortie le 7 octobre

[le grand d'or]

... now it's clear :roll:

The single of Moi Lolita was a great succes and all people thought the Album includes more of songs like this.

JEAM was a good succes, but the performances, how i said,
were strange... with her dance especially later, as it was almost only the dance...
The folk looked just at her dance and the music wasn't important...
So they didn't thought that the Album could be great...


@Snatcher
100% agree!
It was maybe really the Lolita image... ...and i have to say, Alizée in the
Lolita image is more interesting as the Alizée in the MCE image... :?
I mean not the "Lolita" Image, rather her appearance at this time.
Yes... the young and sexy Lolita was the perfect sell-advertisement...
...but she wanted to be herself, not a Lolita. But just Alizée isn't so good as advertisement... :?
i can't understand.... :roll:

[ArlettyFan]

Well back then those things were kind of cutesy / kiddy. Like a girl playing sexy dress-up with mommy's cloths, people could just sort of smile at it. It wasn't entirely that, obviously. There was a risqué element... but delivered by a sweet young girl. That worked perfectly with a self-aware song like Moi Lolita (it isn't just risqué, it's about being risqué). By JEAM Lili was older, and that sort of tongue-in-check wink in her image and content was gone.

Nicely said! Post of the day for me!!

@ Melo... Gourmandises used to be your favorite!

[Bondius]

My loyalty stays with L'Alize & Moi... Lolita.
Well then I'll take your side since those are my 2 favorite songs :wub:

[Melodramatic]

@ Melo... Gourmandises used to be your favorite!

Never! The album yes but the single, not so much. ML was/is a timeless masterpiece. Definitely one of the songs that has a life of it's own & never grows rustic. It has nothing to do witht he song's content but the melody & the sync itself. So perfect it's utterly congenial to the cognitive mind. I'll be singing this song til I'm an old geezer with arthritis. :wink:

[DavidAlizée]

mce is just so much better than Gourmandises.

[PayBays]

because you can't .I putted 3 devils behind it so that nobody would say something bad about the disc...

And...i'm having a terrible desease.I'm really addicted to Alizée and exspacialy to Gourmandises :wub:
Ugh, no offense Paybays but I find the track Gourmandises to be tideous. My loyalty stays with L'Alize & Moi... Lolita.

no offence back :wink:

it's your opinion.I just like it very much,just like L'Alize

[DavidAlizée]

it's L'Alizé

so paybays, you say your best album is gourmandises, yet you claim you have not listened to all her songs on it? strange..

[PayBays]

it's L'Alizé

so paybays, you say your best album is gourmandises, yet you claim you have not listened to all her songs on it? strange..

Yes...you might wonder why...

-Gourmandises is on it...And i'm sorry to say but it's my favorite

I haven't heard the whole album,but i'll listen to it soon.It's my favorite album for now,maybe i'll change it in the future

[DavidAlizée]

you like a full album becuase it has gourmandises on it!

Have you even listened to MCE?

[PayBays]

No but i heard of it.I don't know much songs,i only have like 7 here.

And yes everywhere Gourmandises is on is a good album

[DavidAlizée]

you can't call yourself a fan untill you have at least listened to MCE!

So, do you own any of her CDS? or have you bought anything?

I am shocked you have not even heard MCE yet, after all this time.

[PayBays]

you can't call yourself a fan untill you have at least listened to MCE!

So, do you own any of her CDS? or have you bought anything?

I am shocked you have not even heard MCE yet, after all this time.

I live in Belgium.Any Idea how many Singles from Alizée have been played here by the tv station

IN THE PAST 3 YEARS I NEVER HEARD A SONG OF HER.

That's why my father BUYS the cd's in France

[DavidAlizée]

You almost live next to France!!!!

mot lives in Belgium, and he gets cds, well pretty much anything related to Alizée. If i can buy CD'S of her in England, i am sure you can get them in Belgium.

Who said you had to hear her on the Radio or TV lol..

I am talking about buying her albums, they are easily to get in Belgium and don't cost alot. Any kind of Fan buys her albums at least. You are lucky than most of us, living so close to France. You seem to think it is hard to get Alizée stuff? then , you have not even tried to look, go ahead.. head on down to a large music shop, ull be suprised!

You also claim to have alot of money, why does your father need to buy you everything? your 18, don't you have any money of your own?

[PayBays]

You almost live next to France!!!!

mot lives in Belgium, and he gets cds, well pretty much anything related to Alizée. If i can buy CD'S of her in England, i am sure you can get them in Belgium.

Who said you had to hear her on the Radio or TV lol..

I am talking about buying her albums, they are easily to get in Belgium and don't cost alot. Any kind of Fan buys her albums at least. You are lucky than most of us, living so close to France. You seem to think it is hard to get Alizée stuff? then , you have not even tried to look, go ahead.. head on down to a large music shop, ull be suprised!

You also claim to have alot of money, why does your father need to buy you everything? your 18, don't you have any money of your own?


I don't have an large ammount of money,because i'm saving up.Second,i'm living in a tiny village where nobody knows of her.I checked out some shops in Netherlands but they don't even have it.I'm not lucky living close to France,cause i'm living close to Netherlands.And Mot is 3 years older then me.

I don't know what idea you have of me,but i'm not rich at all.I'm a real fan cause i like her songs.I stick to the usual i got and love.You can't argue with me if i'm a fan or not.

I even wrote her a letter.That's what a real fan does.

[DavidAlizée]

I don't have an large ammount of money,because i'm saving up.Second,i'm living in a tiny village where nobody knows of her.I checked out some shops in Netherlands but they don't even have it.I'm not lucky living close to France,cause i'm living close to Netherlands.And Mot is 3 years older then me.

I don't know what idea you have of me,but i'm not rich at all.I'm a real fan cause i like her songs.I stick to the usual i got and love.You can't argue with me if i'm a fan or not.

I even wrote her a letter.That's what a real fan does.

You keep telling us you are rich, and you can afford promo cds. Why are you checking local shops, order it from online like everyone else. There are people here are are 15 years old, that ordered and payed for the live dvd. All you have to do, is get a train, or drive to a megastore that sells alot of music. Or, at worst download it!

mot is older than you? Whats that got to do with it?

A real fan writes a letter? A real fan buys her albums first, or at least takes the time out, to actually listen to her songs, her newsest album M.C.E

[FiEsTa]

well If I dont lie, I like the Songs on Gourmandises more than on MCE.

[Mr Bond]

PayBays no one knows who she is where I live and the population is 250,000! so what is the deal about you living in tiny village? Yeah the best thing is to go on Amazon you'll find her albums and singles on there not the rare stuff you have to go to ebay or eil.com (Pricey place though!) for those. Hope you get to hear MCE soon really your missing out.

[PayBays]

PayBays no one knows who she is where I live and the population is 250,000! so what is the deal about you living in tiny village? Yeah the best thing is to go on Amazon you'll find her albums and singles on there not the rare stuff you have to go to ebay or eil.com (Pricey place though!) for those. Hope you get to hear MCE soon really your missing out.

I tried buying something back in 2004

Now...more then 1 year later i still didn't got it.Internet for me is out!I won't buy this on internet!Never ever anymore!Even my dad didn't want to throw his card in for me,like he did last time.

I don't trust internet anymore,even if it delivers to anyone.I only buy it in stores,and if it isn't there i just have to wait till i go to France

[DavidAlizée]

The internet is the most secure shopping service ever created. There are so many channels you can go to, if you get any trouble. It is never the buyer that loses out anyway, always the seller if anything. ( even if you do lose out, if something bizare happens, its only 14 Euros wasted, not alot of money )
You don't even need to use a creditcard, you can use a cheque or even postal order. I buy stuff almost everyday on the internet and sell stuff every few minutes! Ive never had any problems.

Then, if you don't want to use the Internet, why arnt you in the HUB downloading some songs?

or, you can drive can't you? drive a a huge megastore that sells Alizée cds. It is not hard, if i was a newb to Alizée, i would not be able to wait to get her albums, even if it is just to join in with the discussions on this forum. You have to, at least know what you are talking about, you know.

[PayBays]

or, you can drive can't you? drive a a huge megastore that sells Alizée cds. It is not hard, if i was a newb to Alizée, i would not be able to wait to get her albums, even if it is just to join in with the discussions on this forum. You have to, at least know what you are talking about, you know.

I can't drive...have to go on exams in 2 weeks.The difference is that i don't know which superstore.You know,it's my problem and i'll gain the CD's on my way.And downloading the songs is not so good for Alizée her business

[DavidAlizée]

haha!!!!

Downloading the songs is not good for Alizée, spot on. Nor is not buying them, or not even listeing to them. lol...

You don't know which superstore? find out, its not hard!

The word your looking for is not "gain"

[PayBays]

haha!!!!

Downloading the songs is not good for Alizée, spot on. Nor is not buying them, or not even listeing to them. lol...

You don't know which superstore? find out, its not hard!

The word your looking for is not "gain"

It's not your business

[le grand d'or]

..hm... b²t:
I think the reason why the second Album wasn't a 'best-seller' is the absent of advertiesment.

Look, ACC, Amélie, HeyAmigo, JPVA, JEAM, these are all very good songs!!
It was only the less of advertiesment!
The Publisher thought that the succes of MoiLolita was enough, but it wasn't...

We can't change. nevertheless Alizée has many fans all over the world!!
What we can do is only: buy the third Album :wink:

@David&Paybays
Downloading of sings isn't good... :? #
Only when the Albums are Sold-out, but you can buy Alizées Albumd and singles in the Internet.
In Online-shops or Ebay :wink:

[Moco]

I think another factor as to why MCE was not as successful as Gourmandises was the large amount of time between the 2 albums, about 2 and half years. Other pop artists that appeal to the young, pre-teen girl audience (such as Lorie and Priscilla) have 1 album released just about every year. They constantly need to release new material to keep interest alive and if too much time passes, people begin to move on to other things. I believe Alizée has said in interviews from 2001 that MCE was originally supposed to be released in early 2002. How or why it was delayed for so long is a big mystery to me, but I think it was a mistake no matter what the reason.

I also believe that the lack of a concert tour after Gourmandises was a missed opportunity in solidifying her fan base. Now, you might say that after only 1 album, there wouldn't be enough material to fit an entire concert. But that didn't stop Jenifer, who toured after her first album (although that was probably part of the requirement for winning Star Academy but it does show that it can be done.).

Anyways, I think the main point is that you have to fresh in the fans' minds and constantly be in the spotlight, so to speak. You have to remember that your target audience has short attention spans and have to market accordingly. But of course, this is all from a commercial standpoint. More stuff doesn't necessarily mean better and personally I'd rather have longer waits between albums if it means we get a better product in the end.

[PayBays]

^ is right


It took her 2,5 years to release a new album.People where thinking,where is she,did she quit and stuff.She has to release her next album very fast!

[ArlettyFan]

not only that, but much of her target audience grows a lot in 2 years. Kids move through stages pretty fast, so a release that far apart would probably largely mean getting new fans (for the younger ones anyway).

I think a really critical age would be 11. In two years, that boy or girl would be 13!

[le grand d'or]

Alizée isn't like the other Stars :cheesy:


she wanted more songs for the concert, because with
only the songs of the first Album it would been too short!
We are happy that the concert took hours!! And not just one Hour... :wink:

And the 'thing' with the 2 years... ...it's weird, but it's Alizée! She's herself and not 'just a Star' 8)
she makes music because it is her passion and not only for the Money!

[FiEsTa]

Well I don't want to say that the MCE Songs are bad, but Alizée really changed a lot. She said she has found her real "ME".

But well as many people here I am in the same opinion, when she had the old look she had better songs, and I like the songs on Gourmandises much more than on MCE but that doesn't mean that I don't like the songs on MCE.

[Ayan]

Her team had to have known what kind of camera angles would be taken during such performances as Hit Machine and 100 ans du Tour de France, yet they never thought it better to have her wear something a little less risqué.Perhaps. Yet it's still somewhat doubtful. Especially concidering the recent discussion concerning even the La Isla Bonita outfit. I say there is a good chance that there are always those among the crowd who - instead of having the chance of being able to witness an Alizée performance,enjoy the voice and the choreography etc - pay more attention to such certain details as this was the case here and there. I'm just saying that I don't think Mylène & co would have such a way of thinking in the first place.

And yea hey it's easy to analyze afterwards but I'm sure if they think they made some mistakes then they will learn from their own experience and surely avoid them in the future. Having said that, without the experience from JEAM and JPVA performances and vids they would not have known to change the style for ACC. Surely ACC was more reserved than the previous two, yet to say that ACC would have been better off as a debut single, is in my opinion just assuming a bit too much without taking into concideration all details.

Even now it's hard to belive that people's attitude towards J'ai Pas Vingt Ans music video was cold. Personally I find it to be a video full of pure art. Even the opening scene has a high % of it, furthermore the rest of the vid.

Oh and JEAM as the debut single for MCE ...Maybe the stage outfits were indeed a bit too radical for a stylechange, but the song itself is still very cool. Yep, yeap, yeaap...

Alizée may have lost that 'certain general positive attitude' from some of Her French fans, but She managed to gain Herself fans from so many other countries. We can only guess Her international plans for the third album.

I messed up the order of the 'paragraphs' ,sorry, but I hope this whole thing still makes at least a little bit sense to someone : /

[ArlettyFan]

While ACC is my favorite song on MCE, I think JEAM is very catchy and just about as good, in a different way, and I love JPVA to death... I think it desearves a bit more credit than it gets sometimes...

Considering all of the other tracks, I pretty much love everything except for maybe L'E-mail and Cest Trop Tard... Even still they are listenable. Overall MCE is a killer album, i'd like to highlight Têmpete, Amélie, and Toc De Mac.

Where my point would be is... I love everything on Gourmandises with NO exceptions.

[Backinblack]

Keep in mind I'm only playing devil's advocate here.

Her team had to have known what kind of camera angles would be taken during such performances as Hit Machine and 100 ans du Tour de France, yet they never thought it better to have her wear something a little less risqué.Perhaps. Yet it's still somewhat doubtful. Especially concidering the recent discussion concerning even the La Isla Bonita outfit. I say there is a good chance that there are always those among the crowd who - instead of having the chance of being able to witness an Alizée performance,enjoy the voice and the choreography etc - pay more attention to such certain details as this was the case here and there. I'm just saying that I don't think Mylène & co would have such a way of thinking in the first place.

It's the specialty of Mylène & co to pay attention to all of the slightest details. They took a risk, and it didn't really work that time.


And yea hey it's easy to analyze afterwards but I'm sure if they think they made some mistakes then they will learn from their own experience and surely avoid them in the future. Having said that, without the experience from JEAM and JPVA performances and vids they would not have known to change the style for ACC. Surely ACC was more reserved than the previous two, yet to say that ACC would have been better off as a debut single, is in my opinion just assuming a bit too much without taking into concideration all details.
Like I said, hindsight is 20/20. It's hard to imagine now how things would have been with a different choice/order of singles. But based on the album's track record, I bet Universal would make a few changes if they had the chance to do it over again.


Even now it's hard to belive that people's attitude towards J'ai Pas Vingt Ans music video was cold. Personally I find it to be a video full of pure art. Even the opening scene has a high % of it, furthermore the rest of the vid.
It may be pure art, but it didn't work well on a commercial level. My analysis was only concerning the financial aspect, and the cold reception of the video is based simply on sales of the single.

[FiEsTa]

Hey ! Here in germany you find all of heir Albums in the shop and yes also her live DVD

[crydamoure]

As concerning the stage outfits. Don't forget that Alizee is a big fan of Madonna, and whe all knew that she liked to provoke ppl with her outfits. Though I'm glad Alizee does it a bit more subtle then Madonna.

[le grand d'or]

As concerning the stage outfits. Don't forget that Alizee is a big fan of Madonna, and whe all knew that she liked to provoke ppl with her outfits. Though I'm glad Alizee does it a bit more subtle then Madonna.

She provoke, not not so much like madonna :roll:
To her outfits: She said the JEAM outfit was only sexy and she didn't want to provoke ... and the same with others.
she isn't a "Dirty Madonna-double" :roll:
She's Alizée, herself and she makes what she wants :wink:

I don't know why the second album wasn't good at selling,
but i think she learns from her experiences, like in her life,
and she makes it better for the third Album :wink: :cheesy:

[PayBays]

I have all the Gourmandises cd mp3 now,and i still like it more then the other Albums

[DavidAlizée]

....

she isn't a "Dirty Madonna-double"

Madonna isnt dirty, she is a great singer. She has inspired Alizée for alot of things, as has MF. As for the JEAM outfits, i prefer the pants than the shorts. I don't think the shorts did lili any favours, even if it was just a stage costume. It took the shine from her voice, and made perverts look at her body and not the true talent from her voice.. Although that is how so many came to be here.

[Kyoshiro]

^ Yup, that's true. She even said that herself in some interview.
Hmm.. I'm just trying to remember where did i read it from.. :?

[le grand d'or]

....

she isn't a "Dirty Madonna-double"

Madonna isnt dirty, she is a great singer. She has inspired Alizée for alot of things, as has MF. As for the JEAM outfits, i prefer the pants than the shorts. I don't think the shorts did lili any favours, even if it was just a stage costume. It took the shine from her voice, and made perverts look at her body and not the true talent from her voice.. Although that is how so many came to be here.

I said not Madonna is dirty, i said that Alizée isn't dirty!
Madonna is a real godness! But ALizée is not like Madonna!
Alizée is herself! An other outfit at her JEAM performances would been better,
because the most of peoples saw only her divine-body but not her voice and the 'sense of the song'.
It's past, we can't change. She learned maybe from this and she make it better :wink:

[FiEsTa]

Madonna did something for Alizée ??? She made her outfits really O_O?

[Kyoshiro]

Madonna did something for Alizée ??? She made her outfits really O_O?

No, i understood that Alizée just got inspiration for her costumes and other stuff from Madonna. :wink:

Am i right?

[FiEsTa]

Oh yes if its like that, I can understand

[le grand d'or]

Madonna did something for Alizée ??? She made her outfits really O_O?

No, i understood that Alizée just got inspiration for her costumes and other stuff from Madonna. :wink:

Am i right?

She's just a fan, she doesn't want to be like Madonna!

[PayBays]

Madonna is an Idol for her,she wanted to go to a concert of her.It's the ideal gift!

[FiEsTa]

Yeah she said it once, I remember !

[le grand d'or]

Madonna is an Idol for her,she wanted to go to a concert of her.It's the ideal gift!

She loves Madonna :wink:
she wants to be famous like Madonna, but with her own way.
Alizée needs no provoking-videos, she must be herself and she gets the world with her magic :wink: