Lili's First Time [Split from Newbie Thread]

[Bondius]

like in the case of Gourmandises, losing her virginity
Hmm ... I really didn't have to know that >_> lol

[DavidAlizée]

actualy she lost it when she was 15, before she made moi lolita.

[Bondius]

Now I REALLY DIDN'T NEED to know that either, dammit!
Hmm .. but "with who?" might be a good question lol :cheesy:
Anyway I don't know what's so interesting about ppl loosing their virginity .. it was her choice ... a good one, I might add. Still ... 15 is kinda young ...

[DavidAlizée]

It was with her old BF, no idea the name. But she broke up with him when she was doing moi-lolita. I bet he feels like an idiot now.

[tern]

It was with her old BF, no idea the name. But she broke up with him when she was doing moi-lolita. I bet he feels like an idiot now.

Well if she broke up with him then he shouldn't feel like an idiot, just a loser.

[Bondius]

He was an idiot for letting her go or doing something to make her leave. *sigh* why the hell I was born 6 years too late and a few thoulsand to far ... *sigh* :(

[crydamoure]

Anyway I don't know what's so interesting about ppl loosing their virginity .. it was her choice ... a good one, I might add. Still ... 15 is kinda young ...

Seems like she's early with everything... just hope it's not with dying :shock: :cry:

[Snatcher42]

Well... not that it really matters or is that big of difference, but just for the sake of precision: she was 16, and it was shortly after Moi Lolita, not before. Guess it does make some difference, as that's the legal age in France and it's often been rumored that the boy was significantly older.

[crydamoure]

Well... not that it really matters or is that big of difference, but just for the sake of precision: she was 16, and it was shortly after Moi Lolita, not before. Guess it does make some difference, as that's the legal age in France and it's often been rumored that the boy was significantly older.

d' accord. Didn't know that. Not that I really cared, but it always good to have the proper facts.

[Snatcher42]

Yeah... oh, and as to what you guys were discussing on the previous page about the "break-up"... in the same interview, she doesn't pin the blame on anyone, saying that they just lost track of each other in the whirlwind success of Moi Lolita... "I practically didn't have any time for myself... I even stopped going to school." Maybe she wasn't being 100% forthcoming to the press, but that does make sense.

Hmm it's odd, but I just can't see her giving an interview like that (http://www.mf-international.com/viewtopic.php?t=179&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=10) anymore (talking about her private life, etc.). Oh well... back on topic now: welcome to all the new folks. Hope you enjoy it here.

[DavidAlizée]

Snatcher:

strange, because i read on her interview, ages ago before i even joined this forum, she lost it before/during moi-lolita. She said she was 15 too. When i talked about it bout a year ago, someone also agreed it she was 15 and it was before moi-lolita. She left her old BF during moilolita, it made her sad. It used to be on her official site, under the questions to her.. but now it has been taking down. That same interview is also printed in a mag, but i don't know which one it is. But yeah, im pretty sure it was before moilolita, cos when i first read it, i was shocked myself.

I also thought the legal age in France was 15 ?

France allows the prosecution of its own citizens on rape charges for sex with minors under 15 abroad even if it was legal with respect to the local jurisdiction.

i can remember a little of the interview, she said. It is no biggy, why do are people always interested if i am a virgin or not, the answer is no, im not. The experirence was shortly before i made moi-lolita, with a boy i no longer know. However, some of my friends are still virgins, so its not a bad thing.. < something like that, but i tried to find the interview.. no luck!

[Snatcher42]

Here's the oldest mention of it on the forum:
http://www.alizee-forum.com/topic,1499.html
The link in Moco's third post is dead, but it used to go to the same Yam magazine article I linked to on MFI in my previous post.
(http://www.mf-international.com/viewtopic.php?t=179&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=10)

I've always seen it mentioned as 16... if that's before or after Moi Lolita is hard to say exactly (might have been after recording it but before release for example). Impossible to know really, but suffice to say it all happened right around the time of Moi Lolita.

[DavidAlizée]

yeah, it happened during ML period thats for sure. =) I didnt know that boy was alot older tho, i didnt know anything about him to be honest. Oh yeah, i read that interview, its the same one from i read a while back. Yeah, i dunno where i got 15 from, Jesus. Well, she just turned 16, she said.. but maybe really it was 15 lol.. but she said 16 as it seems more official. Anyway, i am glad you found that to put my mind at rest and to stop me searching for it. So, if her bf was alot older, i guess she played the lolita role, in more ways than one.

[Snatcher42]

Yeah, I've heard a few times that he was supposedly much older. Though not Lolita-style older! 21 was mentioned as a possible age once. But that's 100% hear-say, I really don't know if that's true at all or what.

Weird, I remember seeing the Yam interview on our site even after Moco's link was long dead, but I looked again for it now and couldn't find it. Wonder what happened to it...

Wow, lol, I think we each edited our last few posts several times each yet somehow avoided any "last edited" messages! Anyway, think I'll split off some of these posts into their own topic in a moment...

[Bondius]

I really don't have a clue why both of you are interested when, why and how she lost her virginity >_>

[gaston_alizee]

Yes I agrre! But they're probably curious lol...

[Snatcher42]

I'm not especially... I just like all information to be as accurate as possible, because there are too many inaccuracies and falsehoods floating around Alizée, and the world in general, these days. Don't mean that in offense to anyone - it's honest misconceptions most of it... but so many forums (French Alizée ones are bad, but French Mylène ones are the worst!) turn into quagmires of misinformation. I try to prevent that here. Anyone who knows me knows how much I value truth... and believe that you can't go anywhere without knowing the facts first! :-)

[Bondius]

Yes, true, but that's part of her private life and my opinion is to stay out of it. I know it's awesome to know as much as you can about her but I really didn't have to know she lost it at 15. It's her intimate life, we should leave it intimate.

[Snatcher42]

16! ;) And this information comes directly from an interview with her, so obviously she had no problems sharing this much about it. Just when we mention it, it's important (imo) to get it right. I am interested in pretty much all she has to say publically like this, because it's what of her life she has choosen to share with fans.

[Bondius]

Oh ... so SHE said that! Lol sorry then, I take back my words :wink:.
If she wants to share such things then keep them coming :cheesy:

[PayBays]

He was an idiot for letting her go or doing something to make her leave. *sigh* why the hell I was born 6 years too late and a few thoulsand to far ... *sigh* :(

* taps him on the back *

Don't cry...

i wish i was her little brother...........that would be awesome........

or i wish i was living in her hometown

[Bondius]

Wow ... I created a topic without knowing ... man, I'm good 8) lol

[PayBays]

^ i told you you were not dumb

[Bondius]

Anyway, 15 or 16, doesn't matter. If she doesn't regret anything, it's good. I wonder what boys have to do to lose it at 15 :laughbounce: :laughbounce: :laughbounce:

[gaston_alizee]

Wow ... I created a topic without knowing ... man, I'm good 8) lol
No I think it's Snatcher42 who did it to not mix two topics :P.

[Bondius]

I know, man, I was just kidding :wink:

[gaston_alizee]

I know, man, I was just kidding :wink:
Ah sorry :cheesy: :mrgreen:...

[PayBays]

So she lost her virginity on her 16...another difference between Britney Spears and Alizée :lol:

[DavidAlizée]

^, sorry, what age did Britney lose hers? :roll:

[PayBays]

hmm somewhere we don't know.

Lol i think nobody knows...she said :

i'm still a virgin,yes still a virgin

everytime.

A great difference between Alizée and Britney Spears:

Alizée tells them about her first time.Britney Spears doesn't but she lies.

[Melodramatic]

16! ;) And this information comes directly from an interview with her, so obviously she had no problems sharing this much about it. Just when we mention it, it's important (imo) to get it right. I am interested in pretty much all she has to say publically like this, because it's what of her life she has choosen to share with fans.
Hmm... I dunno Snatch. Of all the rumors & tabloid output, this one I've never really bought. Alizee is a very private person & sharing something like that in the pub is so unlikely for her. Something isn't right.

[le grand d'or]

*omg* what a Topic :shock:

I was a little shocked as i read it...
She had lost it with 15... ...before she was a real Star...
Ok, ...so we can say, that her Boyfriend wasn't a 'Star lover' (like a fan).
But she leaved her boyfriend after "the adventure" ? This is strange...
It's her past... we and she can't change it... ...if she wanted it or not...

But you know, in the first performence, "ma prière", she was a virging...
...but in the first performence of Moi Lolita she was it anymore...
It's really crazy to know that :blink: :shock: :roll:


I presaged that the song Gourmandises had a hidden message about it...
any magazine has written that in the song are sexual hints ....
And now we know what she opined with "les baiser ou la maine s'achemine " :roll:
about: "kisses where the hand goes forward" .... ......under shirt... and.... :shock:

I can't envisaged it how a 21years old guy... ....maked it with the young tenderly sweet Alizée ... :|


ok... ok... ok.... Now she's a mother and surely not a virgin :lol: :wink:
It's a part of her life, we all got a part like this and... it wasn't a special !
the average age for deflorations in europe is 16. Ok, she was few month younger but... it was her decision!
It's good to know in wich time it was, but i really don't want to know the reasons... :?
*omg* .... when i envisage it... our little sweet pretty Alizée under a... ...21 years old guy! She was almost a child... :cry:
A little time later of the "leaving", she said in an interview that she wanted a trusty and passionate boy...
hm... "trusty" and "passionate"? trusty because he should stay for ever with her? ...and.... passionate for more "adventures" ? ...

*omg* ..... no.... i shut up! Talking about Alizées first time and sexual life is quite crazy.... :shock: :roll:

[PayBays]

she broke up with him...so he may not be trusty and passionate as she might think

or did he broke up?

[le grand d'or]

she broke up with him...so he may not be trusty and passionate as she might think

or did he broke up?

I think he was trusty, but they lost their contact after "it".
Alizée leaved her school and she had to work...
So the booth of them broked up.

With the "trusty" she maybe means that she didn't want a untrusty guy... because who wants it?
With the "passionate" it can be a french "word meaning", they use some
words for other things than in other languages , or Alizée means that he should be "passionate" in love with her :wink:


But it isn't important why she or he broked up.
It was her first real boyfriend and now they are friends or ... not..
....but i talk not more about it... ....it's too disagreeably to talk about it :blink:

Because, what would you say if many peoples talks about your first time? :shock:

[Melodramatic]

I don't think the guy had any profound feelings for her. They only knew eachother for a few months. They were probably still in the butterfly-induced stage. Very sexual & misleading, if I may say so. And a 20-ish guy should know better (sure 16 is the legal age in France but still..). But still... I have this gut feeling that Jeremy got the first dibs on her goods & vice-versa. Remember Jeremy had those mysogynistic, degrading remarks about banging girls just so he can deflect rumors of his alleged "faggotry".

[DavidAlizée]

le grand d'or, she was infact 16 years old when she lost it. Not 15, as i once believed. The fact is, she probably might have been 15, but she did tell us she was 16.. so we must take her word for that. I always thought the legal age in France was 15?

Also, there is nothing wrong or immoral about this thread, it is not a discussion about her sexual life.. it is more just to clarify some facts. If Alizée never had a problem telling the world about it, there is no need to feel as we shouldnt talk about it. ( not her sexual life, just the facts she has already told us )

[le grand d'or]

le grand d'or, she was infact 16 years old when she lost it. Not 15, as i once believed. The fact is, she probably might have been 15, but she did tell us she was 16.. so we must take her word for that. I always thought the legal age in France was 15?

Also, there is nothing wrong or immoral about this thread, it is not a discussion about her sexual life.. it is more just to clarify some facts. If Alizée never had a problem telling the world about it, there is no need to feel as we shouldnt talk about it. ( not her sexual life, just the facts she has already told us )

a couple of a 16y/o girl and a 21y/o guy is legal (in germany/europe).
With 13 you can have a 16y/o boyfriend (not older) , till you're 16.
Then you can have a 21y/o boyfriend, but not older. With 18 you'are free.. :wink:

i think she changed the facts a little... she was maybe 15 (she said it was short after her 16. birthday?)
and because it was illegal, she chagend it... ...and he was maybe even older than 21! ....
*omg* .... :| ...i can't envisage it! .... ......they knew each other for a few months...


I know that he thread isn't immoral. Yes, she told it to us!
and...wow...She talks never about her private life, but the most privat thing she talked out! :oops:
Ok, you tell the true. She shouted it out and we can talk about it! :wink:
but i still think that's a... strange thing to talk about the first time of her... :shock:

[DavidAlizée]

yes, your right, 16 is also legal here in UK. However, anything under the age of 16, example: 13 year old girl and a 16 year old boy, even if both consent for sex, if is classed as statutory rape. The 16 year old will be charged for rape. The law defines this clearly in England. I don't know about France, i always thought 15 was legal anyway.

[le grand d'or]

yes, your right, 16 is also legal here in UK. However, anything under the age of 16, example: 13 year old girl and a 16 year old boy, even if both consent for sex, if is classed as statutory rape. The 16 year old will be charged for rape. The law defines this clearly in England. I don't know about France, i always thought 15 was legal anyway.
it isn't important if it was legal or not.
Look at her, has it done damage? No !

She needed it maybe to find her way...
who knows? If it wasn't happen, was she now the same? ...
She's the sweet Alizée, we all love her!

But the strange Part is he was over twenty! Alizée 15/16 !!
You must envisage the Alizée of 2000 with the Jérémy of now!! :shock:
... but when it was love, then it was ok.... ....but they broked it up...
It wasn't love.... *omg* .... strange topic....

I think it was because of the love feelings. when you have buterflys in your belly,
then you want to be near by your girl. You're going to be uncontrolled.
This booth and the sexual new for Alizée are the reasons...
It was maybe her first real love.... she was in love, she wanted to be close to him,
they "french kissed" (*lol*) and Alizée found the pleasure of the "new things"....

The (*omg*) 21y/o guy took advantage of her innocence and... .... it was happened...

If Alizée forgave him, it's completely ok. Sure. :P
But if he hurted Alizée... Physical or in her mind... ....then he has to die :evil:

[DavidAlizée]

it isn't important if it was legal or not

?, it is very important, For obvious reasons.

[le grand d'or]

it isn't important if it was legal or not

?, it is very important, For obvious reasons.

What reasons?
You can't change it!

If it was ok for Alizée and she forgave him, then it's totally ok and not important if it was legal or not!

[DavidAlizée]

hmm somewhere we don't know.

Lol i think nobody knows...she said :

i'm still a virgin,yes still a virgin

everytime.

A great difference between Alizée and Britney Spears:

Alizée tells them about her first time.Britney Spears doesn't but she lies.

It is not a question about lying. Some girl don't like to tell the world the first time they had sex. Some of the girls i know like to keep everyone thinking they are virgins. It is not about lying, if girls dont feel right about says " no i'm a virgin " who is to make them? Who even cares if Britney was a virgen or not before she was pregnant.. The only people that should care is herself, let her make her own choices. Girls shouldnt be made or even asked that question imo anyway.

[DavidAlizée]

it isn't important if it was legal or not

?, it is very important, For obvious reasons.

What reasons?
You can't change it!

If it was ok for Alizée and she forgave him, then it's totally ok and not important if it was legal or not!

I am talking about the legal age limit. As i explained in my example. 13yo girl and a 16 yo boy, is classed as rape in the eyes of the law, even if they both gave consent. Regarding the reasons, they are obvious. The reason why there is an age limit, is because at 13, girls are not ready to make up thier minds about it.

[le grand d'or]

it isn't important if it was legal or not

?, it is very important, For obvious reasons.

What reasons?
You can't change it!

If it was ok for Alizée and she forgave him, then it's totally ok and not important if it was legal or not!

I am talking about the legal age limit. As i explained in my example. 13yo girl and a 16 yo boy, is classed as rape in the eyes of the law, even if they both gave consent. Regarding the reasons, they are obvious. The reason why there is an age limit, is because at 13, girls are not ready to make up thier minds about it.

but she wasn't 13, she was 15 !
What you think about your "age limit" ?
When a 15y/o girl and a 22y/o guy did 'it', you think the police comes instantly to them?
The Parents of the younger girl has to go to the police, but only if they want it!
Alizée thinks maybe she needed the experience because with it she could better think about it.
After it she knowed that it was in a sense not ok, but she needed it to understand.

if you understand... i know, my english is really complicated :lol:

[DavidAlizée]

but she wasn't 13, she was 15 !

*sigh* like i said 3 times, i was talking about my example. This is not even about Alizée. For the last time, Alizée was 16.


What you think about your "age limit" ?

My age limit? what about it, the "age limit" in England is 16. I don't get what you mean.

When a 15y/o girl and a 22y/o guy did 'it', you think the police comes instantly to them?

I am sure the girls mother will report it to the Police. Or, if anyone reports it to the Police, If anyone, not even connected to the family report it, the police take over. If the mother doesnt want the police to get envolved, tough. it is not up to the mother to press charges. The Police take over, it is classed as statutory rape. Please try and understand what i am typing here. It does not matter if both consent for sex. If the girl is younger than the legal age limit, it is rape. Pure and simple. The court takes over, and they prosecute.

[PayBays]

what a topic.

As the law says,then you can be accused for rape.I don't believe this **** and i have my own lawsystem.

I think this : There has to be a difference between the 2 people of 3 years.Since Alizée was 15/16 ( whatever ) it's forbidden to do "it" with someone older then 18/19.I think the boy that was 21 could be acused for raping her.It's forbidden to do it with someone who is under-age.As he was 21,he can only do "it" with people older then 18,which are mature.

I had a friend who had a relationship with a boy that was 21.She was 16 ( just like Alizée ) and she won the trail.He was accused of raping her,because she wasn't sure if she would do it.

You can;t change the system.If Alizée wants to accuse him for raping she has to do it fast,because 5 years after "the thing" it's impossible to acuse him of that.

We don't have to be ashamed,because the fact we're talking about a young girls first time.She told us,and she would have known we're talking about it.It's a shame that such a beautyfull girl had something with a 21 old boy

[DavidAlizée]

lol, lets not turn this thread into a big court case. The simpe fact is you are correct. However, 16 is legal in England and if anyone has sex with a minor aka ( under the age limit ) It is rape. Yes, now we all understand.

Regarding Alizée, she was 16 so therfore it was all legal. We don't know if she regrets it or not. It was her choice, and at 16 it is fine to choose. But, she is not going to charge her old BF for rape lol. He was 20+, she was 16, so everything is legal. She made a descision, its noit right for anyone to call it a bad one, at all.

[PayBays]

Well everyone has a different opinion about this,i'm glad "freedom of speech" is there.But don't argue about the fact that she was raped or not.Alizée is old enough to decide herself.But this topic is awesome,i didn't knew about this fact.

[DavidAlizée]

well, there is no need for anyone to discuss about her being raped or not. she clearly was not, so we can end this. I don't know who brought it up, but it is just rediculous to even say such a thing.

time to change the subject about that aspect of the discussion.

[PayBays]

ok what should we talk about.

Yes i know what.Lili's First Time

it;s perfect to discuss about her first live-preformance

[DavidAlizée]

oh, when i say change the subject, i mean simply to change the discussion from talking about weather or not she was raped, as you guys were saying. Thats all.

[le grand d'or]

@DAvid
ah, ok.... now i'm understanding :cheesy: :wink: :roll: :roll:



Yes, it was her decision.
If it was 'fun', 'love' , 'love fellings' or whatever. She wanted it in a sense...
It's her past and it is now just a memorization for her! Maybe a good.
We find never out why she did it. We only know that she did it!
This is the same like with her marriage, we can't change and we have to respect :wink:

If it was a Rape or not, this is Alizées Decision.... but i think it wasn't!
Maybe for the law, but not for her!! Otherwise she didn't tell it...

[PayBays]

ok everyone has made their opinion clear...

[Melodramatic]

It's so hard for me to fathom a 20+ full grown man & a 16 year old, petite adolescent girl going at it. :evil: I'm perfectly fine with Jeremy, though but this alleged boyfriend seems fleeting.

[Bondius]

Yea I must agree with you ... it's kinda wierd and somewhat disturbing ...

[crydamoure]

Yea I must agree with you ... it's kinda wierd and somewhat disturbing ...

What does it matter, just pretend you don't know about it (like if it was yesterday). This happens everyday and it's certainly not a rare event. I don't understand the fuzz about it.

[Melodramatic]

Nobody's making a fuss over Lili's affairs. It's the concept that's disturbing (at face value of course).

[Snatcher42]

Wow guys, yeah, don't make such a big fuss over it. Obviously everything was legal... if you personally find it disturbing or not is your own call, but let's not keep going on about it here. Sorry I even brought up his age: as I said several times, that part is complete rumor, and very well might not be true at all. So don't worry about it. All we know is what she says in that interview (http://www.mf-international.com/viewtopic.php?t=179&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=10)... and she sounds fine there, nothing turgid or melodramatic. Let's keep our discussions the same way.

[Melodramatic]

Wow guys, yeah, don't make such a big fuss over it. Obviously everything was legal... if you personally find it disturbing or not is your own call, but let's not keep going on about it here. Sorry I even brought up his age: as I said several times, that part is complete rumor, and very well might not be true at all. So don't worry about it. All we know is what she says in that interview (http://www.mf-international.com/viewtopic.php?t=179&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=10)... and she sounds fine there, nothing turgid or melodramatic. Let's keep our discussions the same way.
But what's your take on it Snatch? Do you think it's an authentic interview? After all it was from a German mag.

[Snatcher42]

I think it probably is. If they wanted to make something up, they'd sensationalize it more. What she says in that interview sounds pretty normal, frankly.

[kennythekid]

In that interview Alizee looks like "i don't care" she said all about that thing that happend to her very suspicious :wink: or maybe thats her style :mrgreen:

[Bondius]

Well there is a good part beeing open to the world. Some may find that more atractive :wub: and what harm can do info about it. Losing it it's a natural and normal thing >_>

[PayBays]

Bondius...i know that you want to know her whole life :lol: :wink:

[Xenphor]

Where are you guys getting that she was with a 21 year old guy? It doesn't say it in the interview.

[Snatcher42]

Sigh, sorry I even mentioned it. Just talk on French forums.

Guess it does make some difference, as that's the legal age in France and it's often been rumored that the boy was significantly older.

Yeah, I've heard a few times that he was supposedly much older. Though not Lolita-style older! 21 was mentioned as a possible age once. But that's 100% hear-say, I really don't know if that's true at all or what.

Sorry I even brought up his age: as I said several times, that part is complete rumor, and very well might not be true at all.

[PayBays]

lol doesn't matter snatcher...

[ArlettyFan]

Wow ... I created a topic without knowing ... man, I'm good 8) lol

This has got to be the easiest topic to create, with the easiest success rate ever, don't pat yourself on the back yet! :lol:

btw, I would argue she was not quite 16 yet, but said she was because it's safer to say a higher number...and she would have been so close anyway...

quote from the song: Parler Tout Bas

How to tell them
when one's not even sixteen
that the bed one defaces, no longer tastes of "zan"

-MFI ( http://www.mf-international.com/viewtopic.php?t=1940 )

[Snatcher42]

Actually, that line is "quand on n'a que seize ans", which I believe translates into "when one is only sixteen years old." But I wouldn't put too much stock for truth into song lyrics anyway.

A bit off-topic, but that's a good example of what we were talking about in another thread about having to read both translations to get the fullest meaning of her songs. Our translation of that line from the Taiwanese booklet reads:

When you're merely sixteen years old
The bed you strip, has no longer
The smell of back then

Our first line is much better, imo. Now regarding "strip" vs. "defaces", this is probably a double meaning lost in translation and the French version carries the hint of both (Kam suggested "Undoes"/"Messes up" as better translations). The last line is much better in the MFI version, as the song clearly mentions "zan" candies - a reference lost in ours. So each version has it's plus and minus, and you have to read them both to get the full story! :-)

[le grand d'or]

The Interview looks like it was a good experience for Alizée,
She was aware about was she did and it was for her nice.
It's a natural thing and she talked surly with her parents about it.
So it wasn't more important, so she said it in an Interview...
Or the love of the booth faded more and more during her work for Moi Lolita.
So she wasn't hurted of the breaking up. I don't know... we don't know... it only she and he knows...


@ the "hidden Message" in Parler tout bas:
It's meaning: " How can i say it , when im just 16, that the bed what i deaface hasn't the taste of a child"
It think, she was maybe a little confused... it was happened and she
maybe talked with her best friend and latter with her parents.
But it was for her an important thing of life and she was think about how she can accept that it was happened...
she also sings "Moi j’ai un compagnon" , it's meaning "i have a boyfriend",
because "compagnon" is also a word for boyfriend.... She told her story and we didn't listen! :roll: :wink:

I found more of this "Hidden messages", or perhaps "coincidence" ?
In Moi Lolita she sang "et quand je rève au luops c'est lola qui saigner",
it's meaning about "When i dream of Wolfs, it's Lola wich is blooding"
... hm... When a french girl says "i've seen THE Wolf", she means she isn't more a virgin...
She sang it already before "it", but as she sang it on the stage, it was already true!
It's a real Irony of the song!! :shock:

In L'Alizé: "Je sais que cet hymen Durera longtemps".
I searched long time for a other translation for "hymen", but it means what it means!!
The songpart is meaning "I know that the hymen stay for long time"...
I think everyone knows whats it? ...ok.... she sang it.... but we know... it isn't there... :?
This song is a lie. But she also sang "Je grandis, l'amour aussi", "I grow up and the love too"
We know what she meaned with this part... ...
And she sang "Comme le vent Emporte les maux de cœur", "like he wind... wich blows the heart-aiche away"
We know, she meaned maybe the aiche of the guy... she loved him, but he was away...
Before this song, she had lost her love to him... maybe.

Ok, enough from L'alizé, now to Gourmandises:
"Les baisers d’un été Où la main s’achemine", " The kisses of a summer, where the hand goes forward"
...was 'it' in the summer? ... it can be...

All of these "hidden messages" can mean anything... or nothing... :roll:

It's now just a memorization of her. ...it was maybe a important thing for her,
but she "digested" it ! Then it was only a part of her life.... wich everybody has...

[Philosoph]

:shock: These "hidden messages" are heavy stuff especially the ones of "Moi Lolita" and "L'Alize".

That would be a delicate diskussion.

[crydamoure]

only the PTB message is new to me. But the other ones (especially ML and Gourmandises) are well known.

However you must realize that the lyrics for ML were already written way before Mylene met Alizee (that is, I assume they didn't lie about that... can't see a reason for it either) so that song is symbolic and certainly not a biography of any kind. And it may have been the case that because of the whole theme of the album there are more references like this all over the album. We know Mylene hardly writes lyrics without such references, so it may have slipped in. Though maby Mylene did search for a gril who fitted to the description of the lyrics instead of purely judging on vocal abilities (not that alizee doesn't qualify for the second manner..).

[ArlettyFan]

Moi...Lolita (Me...Lolita), is a song written by Mylène before Alizée. The song puts whoever the singer is, into the perspective of a fictional character named "Lolita".

This is based on the book by Nabokov: http://www.evergreenreview.com/101/articles/maurice2.html
(you'll see that picture is similar to Alizée's field shoot, this is on purpose of course

and also based on the later movie by Stanly Kurbric.

I couldn't tell you much about it, but I do know it's about a pedophile who hooks up with a very young girl, who is a sort of "slut". He loves her truely, though he's over 40 or something, and she just wants sex and to be a tease. This is what the songs about, though Alizée was older than the books Lolita, I think the original was 12 years old.

[DavidAlizée]

i think pedophile is the wrong word. "pedophile" is someone who molests young girls and boys. To not have any love or affection for them.

It is clear, in LOLITA.. that the guy truly loved this young girl. It is more about the love for her, not about him abusing kids. Sorry, i just think that word is far to strong to be used in this case. Either way, i didnt like the movie anyway, so i didnt bother to read the book. Infact i stopped watching the movie, when that women died.

[crydamoure]

Moi...Lolita (Me...Lolita), is a song written by Mylène before Alizée. The song puts whoever the singer is, into the perspective of a fictional character named "Lolita".

This is based on the book by Nabokov: http://www.evergreenreview.com/101/articles/maurice2.html
(you'll see that picture is similar to Alizée's field shoot, this is on purpose of course

and also based on the later movie by Stanly Kurbric.

I couldn't tell you much about it, but I do know it's about a pedophile who hooks up with a very young girl, who is a sort of "slut". He loves her truely, though he's over 40 or something, and she just wants sex and to be a tease. This is what the songs about, though Alizée was older than the books Lolita, I think the original was 12 years old.

I know that... don't really see the connection with my reply.

[le grand d'or]

Moi...Lolita (Me...Lolita), is a song written by Mylène before Alizée. The song puts whoever the singer is, into the perspective of a fictional character named "Lolita".

This is based on the book by Nabokov: http://www.evergreenreview.com/101/articles/maurice2.html
(you'll see that picture is similar to Alizée's field shoot, this is on purpose of course

and also based on the later movie by Stanly Kurbric.

I couldn't tell you much about it, but I do know it's about a pedophile who hooks up with a very young girl, who is a sort of "slut". He loves her truely, though he's over 40 or something, and she just wants sex and to be a tease. This is what the songs about, though Alizée was older than the books Lolita, I think the original was 12 years old.

I know that... don't really see the connection with my reply.

I already knew that Lolita was written by Mylene!!
But she sang, that Lolita 'saw the Wolf'. She was Lolita in this song.
She sang it already (written by Mylene) but it was few Months later recorded.
I mean the Irony of the song is, that it was coming true! "she saw the wolf" !
It was a coincidence, but.... what a fortuity :shock:

The other songs was written by Mylene, yes, but after Moi Lolita together with Alizée!
She told (2000, short before her Album)that Mylene his for her a good friend.
They talked maybe about "the adventure" and then Mylene writed it in her songs...

When we compare the rumors, Press-scans and the songs, then we could find more of the "hidden messages".
This in L'alizé is really strange!! It's a real Story about Alizée, hidden in her songs!
:roll: :wink: :P

[PayBays]

what were we all thinking.It was love between those 2!

[kennythekid]

lets not argue this thing anymore that was long time ago maybe it will be better if this remains a enigma 8)

[le grand d'or]

lets not argue this thing anymore that was long time ago maybe it will be better if this remains a enigma 8)

why? Alizée told it to us, so she wanted that we write about it! :wink: :lol:

@Paybays
Yes, it was love. I thought the complete day about it!
I remembered to my experiences and compared much of things...
It had to be love !! :oops: :wink:

I think, she did it, because of the love feelings and because the sexual things were new for her.
He took maybe the advantage of it, but whatever. For Alizée was it a real love!
After it, it wasn't braked up with many of tiers and hurt. Their love faded slowly as Alizée worked.
Without tiers, without hurt. In a sense a glorious end of a love ...
None of the both was sadly about it, they just accept it as end. (i think)

They are now maybe friends, or they saw eachother never again.... :? :wink:


I'm going to search more "hidden messages" and i compare it with Interviews and rumors.
I could find more things, wich clarifies the matter...


[edit]
has anyone a scan of the Interview?

[ArlettyFan]

crydamoure, it wasn't in response to you, it was in response to philosoph! :shock: Sorry for not making that clear, I could have quoted him. I was backing you up in responding to him.

I just wanted to make clear to him that the song had nothing to do with Alizée, it had to do with Alizée singing from Lolita's perspective, and then I explained Lolita so that it would make sense...

Alizée is 'playing the part' of Lolita. She is narrating her story from the first person, through the song.

-------

For the most part, this forum as a whole has generally believed that interview and that story, but maybe we are right to challenge it...

I don't know the facts myself, but I suspect it's genuin and someone here already knows that, less they would have said something within this last two years...

[le bear]

I'm amazed that this subject is so hot on one hand and not on the other. After all, sex is pretty much the driving force of most things (that and money...) but if she was 15 or 16, it doesn't really matter.

I remember being 16 and being with my first girlfriend who was 15. In those days, most girls by 15 had become sexually active on most levels. I'm sure it's no different now, and probably even worse. It's completely natural human behavior. However, that being said, there is an uneasy feeling that goes along (or should) with even contemplating the sex life of a 15/16 year old girl...... When I was that age and doing that, I certainly enjoyed it, do I have any regrets, not really but maybe a little...... You can't change the past so you try to live, learn and go forward. It's no different for Alizee.....

[Ramon_Morales_Jr]

my two cuzs love alizee because i was checking the forum for new thread and i put all my alizee vids and they love it :D :D :D :D

[Melodramatic]

I'm amazed that this subject is so hot on one hand and not on the other. After all, sex is pretty much the driving force of most things (that and money...) but if she was 15 or 16, it doesn't really matter.

I remember being 16 and being with my first girlfriend who was 15. In those days, most girls by 15 had become sexually active on most levels. I'm sure it's no different now, and probably even worse. It's completely natural human behavior. However, that being said, there is an uneasy feeling that goes along (or should) with even contemplating the sex life of a 15/16 year old girl...... When I was that age and doing that, I certainly enjoyed it, do I have any regrets, not really but maybe a little...... You can't change the past so you try to live, learn and go forward. It's no different for Alizee.....
What was your "maybe a little" regrets? And what were these "uneasy" feelings that went along with even contemplating the sex life os a 15/16 year old? I'm curious.

[tern]

Wow, I bet all of you guys would love to read "Lolita". :roll:

[ArlettyFan]

For me, sex is like golf. You get a better score with the lower number... so you want to score with the youngest people possible... 13 is par for me



















kidding. :wink:

[PayBays]

Alizee would slap us all in the face reading this.And Jango is sick in his head.We're discussing like we were there when it happened.Drop yourself,it happened

Lol i bet 50% of the boys wanted that to happen to them...



















no he isn't!

[Bondius]

lol ... well, to be honest everyone knows there's a difference between 1)making sex and 2)making love so we first have to know what option did Lili choose before we can draw conclusions ... :wink:

[PayBays]

Bondius is part right,but he's dreaming about 1 and 2 the whole day

and i wanna dream to :wub:

[Bondius]

No, I am NOT dreaming of having sex with her >_> geez man I don't think I can even immagine making love with her <_< maybe you are and just ashamed to admit it lol ...

[le grand d'or]

lol ... well, to be honest everyone knows there's a difference between 1)making sex and 2)making love so we first have to know what option did Lili choose before we can draw conclusions ... :wink:

The difference between Sex and Love is very very big!!!

But i said already, it was true love!!! Surely for Alizée! I don't know if it was love for the guy...
But it isn't important what the guy feels... ....important is what Alizée feeled!!

It was for her love and she wanted it! probably because of the sexual-curiosity too!
But i think she needed this part of her life! That changed maybe her attitude or cogitations about love and sex.
If it was not happened, she could be not married with Jérémy.... !
It was her decision to sleep with a 21y/o guy, i think it was love for her,
she enjoyed it (because she told easy about it) and it was ok for her,
a natural thing. Now it's only a memorization for her, she thinks maybe
sonetimes about it, but it's past. Now ist now, it was happened and end! :wink:

I think it's really strange that a "old" man sleeps with a young girl...
15 and 21 .... :shock: ...but Alizée is intelligent, she knows the difference of love and sex and she knew what she did!

[Bondius]

Belive me, it's not wierd to sleep with older persons. It's a stupid example but my grandmother is 7 years younger than my grandfather. If she was satisfied, then it's fine. I think that poor bastard is ramming his head against the wall when thinking ... I almost feel sorry for him ... almost.

[le grand d'or]

Belive me, it's not wierd to sleep with older persons. It's a stupid example but my grandmother is 7 years younger than my grandfather. If she was satisfied, then it's fine. I think that poor bastard is ramming his head against the wall when thinking ... I almost feel sorry for him ... almost.

In a sense 'the guy' must be (or was) the luckiest man on earth, he was Alizées first!!
Otherwise he must be the most sad person, because it braked down.
And now, he ramms his head against a Wall :cheesy:

But i think it's better when 'he' is now notmore with Alizée, Jérémy is better as a 6 years older guy :wink:

to your example: To the time of your grandmother... it was an other time!!!
Surely more than 60 years ago !! to sleep with a younger/older person,
isn't forbidden, but the most of happy couple are in the same age!! Like Alizée!
So i think it was only for Alizée real love, or she thought it was... but that's ok :wink:

[PayBays]

Ok...real love is fine.... :cheesy:

[ArlettyFan]

We will probably never know what was really going on unless Alizée later says, but it doesn't seem to matter...nothing here is out of place... these are just the normal motions of life. I'm seeing a lot of back in fourth in this thread, does anyone else feel the need to discuss this further? I don't mean any offense, i'm just curious... I don't feel there is any more to understand myself...

[Ramon_Morales_Jr]

No, I am NOT dreaming of having sex with her >_> geez man I don't think I can even immagine making love with her <_< maybe you are and just ashamed to admit it lol ...

r u sure :?: :?:

[ArlettyFan]

No, I am NOT dreaming of having sex with her >_> geez man I don't think I can even immagine making love with her <_< maybe you are and just ashamed to admit it lol ...

r u sure :?: :?:

oh Ramon... :doc:

[Bondius]

Yes, ramon, I am sure. I don't love Alizée in the "OMG, her clip! I got a stiffy!" kinda crap ... I'm the more personal and sensitive type :wub: :cheesy:

[le bear]

Melodramatic wrote:


What was your "maybe a little" regrets? And what were these "uneasy" feelings that went along with even contemplating the sex life os a 15/16 year old? I'm curious.


I'll tell you this, I'm the guy that all of my friends would have bet on being married first off and staying that way. I always had a girlfriend in highschool and for many years after that. Here is where my regrets come in to play, I was (and hope I still am) a good looking guy in those days. I had no trouble finding a girl for sex most of the time and I had a LOT of it. Lots of women over the years, more than 125 or so. I lost count. I didn't set out to be "that" kind of guy, it just sort of worked out that way. I would have MUCH rather found the love of my life early and stayed with her and been with only a few women overall (I won't go so far as to say just one though).

That's what I regret. I live alone, I have no children, and I wish I did. I have two Awesome nephews that I'm like a second father to and I think about it all the time. I NEVER found a good women that would be someone who could last a lifetime. I'm not saying all women are bad at all, I'm far from perfect. I will tell you that I have had some beautiful girlfriends and was married once 10 years ago. My wife looked exactly like Alyssa Milano, she was beautiful. She was also the most miserable person I'd ever met once she settled into her natural self after the romance wore off. So yes, I've had lots of sex, with many beautiful women, and it means NOTHING when you wake up alone, have no children, and have nobody to share the good things in life with or pass on to.

As for the uneasy feeling, I'm in my 30's, I just don't feel right having sexual thoughts about a 15/16 year old no matter how sexy she is. I figured that one was obvious......

[Emmerdale001]

That's wisdom you got there, le bear.

If there was anything good that came out of that, it's the knowledge you have about this issue. Yes, you regret it, but now you are wiser about it. I like what you had to say.

[Melodramatic]

Melodramatic wrote:


What was your "maybe a little" regrets? And what were these "uneasy" feelings that went along with even contemplating the sex life os a 15/16 year old? I'm curious.


I'll tell you this, I'm the guy that all of my friends would have bet on being married first off and staying that way. I always had a girlfriend in highschool and for many years after that. Here is where my regrets come in to play, I was (and hope I still am) a good looking guy in those days. I had no trouble finding a girl for sex most of the time and I had a LOT of it. Lots of women over the years, more than 125 or so. I lost count. I didn't set out to be "that" kind of guy, it just sort of worked out that way. I would have MUCH rather found the love of my life early and stayed with her and been with only a few women overall (I won't go so far as to say just one though).

That's what I regret. I live alone, I have no children, and I wish I did. I have two Awesome nephews that I'm like a second father to and I think about it all the time. I NEVER found a good women that would be someone who could last a lifetime. I'm not saying all women are bad at all, I'm far from perfect. I will tell you that I have had some beautiful girlfriends and was married once 10 years ago. My wife looked exactly like Alyssa Milano, she was beautiful. She was also the most miserable person I'd ever met once she settled into her natural self after the romance wore off. So yes, I've had lots of sex, with many beautiful women, and it means NOTHING when you wake up alone, have no children, and have nobody to share the good things in life with or pass on to.

As for the uneasy feeling, I'm in my 30's, I just don't feel right having sexual thoughts about a 15/16 year old no matter how sexy she is. I figured that one was obvious......
Yes, a piece of wisdom it is. I have diverse friends & after having read your piece, I'll tell my frustrated virgin friend that it's ok for him to hold it off for marriage. :lol: I remember a former close friend of mine who practiced a similar lifestye. Almost all of my guy friends worship him because of all the gals he's nailed but he was always empty... cheerful but empty & hollow. Well it's good to know you were out of that mess eh.

[PayBays]

Yes, ramon, I am sure. I don't love Alizée in the "OMG, her clip! I got a stiffy!" kinda crap ... I'm the more personal and sensitive type :wub: :cheesy:

ok....i don't want to know this Bondius.... :roll:

[Bondius]

that's because I'm NOT that Bondius. :roll:

[PayBays]

I'm like...hey that's Alizée * heart skipps some beats * Ok that's Alizée

* turns the video on * ( a bit to late )

And when it's over i turn it of and rewind the video.

[le grand d'or]

....eeerrh.... can anyone tell me, why we guess that he was 21? :?:



@le bear
Sex is a biological thing, lot's of people can't control it... ...because they love it :wink:
Everybody makes its experiences, this one earlier, the other late, one less, the other more...

It's good that you don't have sexual thought about a 15y/o girl :wink:
The most of "old - young" couples are only there, because of 'the natural thing',
i think too that the older mens plays a role...
They promis the best for the younger girls till she is in love (or she thinks she's in love)
and then.... ....it happens... ...
the difference between the ages of the two, is lower when they're older.
A 15y/o gilr, with a 20y/o guy... it's... almost paedophil!
But a 26y/o women and a 31y/o guy is an acceptably thing!

But however!!! First you have to answer: why we guess that "the first guy" was 21?
He could be also 15... it could be a normally teenager love...
I readed she said she has a "Summer Love" with an 21 y/o guy... ...but it was after the Moi-Lolita-Tour, or during ...

[FiEsTa]

in my eyes this thread is not good, we dont know if it was good or bad, when she had it her first time... and people here imagine really strange things... well I won't comment on this, because I don't know any special facts about her first time. the only thing I know is she was 16.

[Bondius]

I don't even know why this topic continues to be active. She was 16, he was older, she loved him, we don't know if he did the same. They had fun, she liked it, she doesn't regret anything. End of story, bye bye, see you later.
I don't think we should get into details ... we'd scare her if we start to post stupid questions about that time. It was normal for that age, many girls go the first time at 15-16 so we aren't in a possition to judge if she was too young.
I really think we should drop the discussion ... >_> at least for now.

[PayBays]

Bondius is part right.Offcourse this is private,doesn't matter if she came with it herself.We're not allowed to tell that she was doing it out of love or out of lust.

Bondius finally realises,that this topic wasn't a good idea.

[Bondius]

I didn't acutally create the topic ... blame Snatcher!
Lol, just kidding ... it was me who started the discussion, so it's me who thinks it's better to end it. :wink:

[DavidAlizée]

lol, you guys make me laugh. The only people that are actually keeping this topic alive, are le grand d'or, Bondius and payBays. Just look at all the posts of these members. If you really want to dtop this topic, then don't post here anymore :)
simple

[le grand d'or]

I keep it again alive :cheesy:


and again...
....eeerrh.... can anyone tell me, why we guess he was 21? :?:



:?: :?:


We talked enough about the reasons and i found my explanation, end about it!
But who said he was 21 ??

[Bondius]

I think Snatcher said that. Check a few pages back :wink:

[le grand d'or]

I think Snatcher said that. Check a few pages back :wink:
yes, ok :wink:


My problem with the Topic isn't that he had lost her virgin with 15, it is that he was 21 !!
Tell us Snatcher, from where you know it?

It's maybe the statement of Alizée, as she said that she had a 21y/o boyfriend?
I know the interview, but it was long time after her first Album!

[Snatcher42]

As I said, just talk on French forums... I could try to search for the exact posts, but it's really not worth the effort.

Now seriously, this thread is long past it's expiry date. Smells like old milk in here. Let this oh-so-close to being locked topic die.

[Bondius]

I really don't care if he was 16, 18, 21 or 25. What's done is done, she has no regrets, everybody's happy (except that poor bastard who's still splashing his brains on the wall everytime he looks at this topic lol).

[PayBays]

Hmm yeah snatcher.It was a nice topic,but it goes really to nowhere.

[le grand d'or]

As I said, just talk on French forums... I could try to search for the exact posts, but it's really not worth the effort.

.

why not? :cheesy:
please try to search, i really want to know it!! :cry:

[Snatcher42]

No, especially since "21" is too short of search term on the Alliance. It would be a nightmare to find it. And it's just not important!