Relgious Discussions [Merged Thread]

[Melodramatic]

Aside from the faith/religion that you currently practice, what other religion(s) are you interested in or see yourself joining in?

[Ned]

I'm interested to know,not practice (for I'm a nonpractician), more about the polytheist religion of Ancient Egypt. :)

[Melodramatic]

Anyone interested in Zen buddhism?

[Ned]

I'm interested in that too! :thumbup:

[Melodramatic]

Cool. Do you any little thing about it?

[Ned]

Not much, but yes I know. :)

[Bondius]

For the moment I don't care about religion ... yea, crucify me, I DON'T CARE! God didn't help me untill now and in return I don't care.

Plus, I don't think the other religions are different ... I'd still be careless ...

[Zoomer]

To "divert" attention to Mr Lucas for just one post in this thread..

During the last "Census" of people in this country, there was a massive rumour going around about putting "Jedi" into your religion (if you didn't have one). The idea behind it was that if a certain amount of people claimed to follow a religion, then it would be recognised. I haven't tried researching this to find out what happened or whether its even possible, but I do know alot of people around the uni age put "Jedi" in for a laugh. Unfort its too late to be doing research at the mo, will have a look tomorrow to see if I can find something. Would be pretty amusing to find a "Jedi" religion, although I would imagine other religions may not find it too amusing that people "mock" religion so lightly.

[Bondius]

I have no ideea what you just said ... Jedi? a religion? i mean wtf?

[DavidAlizée]

I am interested in the ancient egyptian religion. Aka Ra ( re ), Anubis, Osiris and Isis ect.. Not so much a religion, but the act of the gods, from the velley of the kings. IE, cutting heart out and puttint them in jars and the test of the soul and the feather by weights ect.

[Tim]

I don't see myself changing from Christianity any time soon. However Norse mythology and as David said Ancient Egyptian gods intrest me.

Edit: 'any time soon' aka never.

[Bondius]

Well, if we're getting to aincent times, I'm interested in the Greek Gods and such ... Egypt has nice gods too :cheesy:

[Misfit]

I'm an atheist but I am interested in a lot of the mythology surrounding paganism.

[tern]

I don't see myself changing from Christianity any time soon. However Norse mythology and as David said Ancient Egyptian gods intrest me.

Edit: 'any time soon' aka never.
o/



I like Norse Mythology too. I just took a class on it and I find it fascinating. There's a lot out there, and it directly relates to the history of Scandinavia too.

[Ned]

I am interested in the ancient egyptian religion. Aka Ra ( re ), Anubis, Osiris and Isis ect.. Not so much a religion, but the act of the gods, from the velley of the kings. IE, cutting heart out and puttint them in jars and the test of the soul and the feather by weights ect.

I've gotta say Dave, that ancient egyptians were practicing medicine too, for ex. exactly what you said. It is called organoscopy, borrowed from babilonians. But they also used that for mummyfication.

[Tristana]

I am really, really interested in buddhism.
I find it very interesting and it can bring people so much... I changed my way to look at events, I changed my mind and I must admit I really feel better now I know this "religion".
It's more a philosophy, I guess...

[Ned]

Than you'll find tibetan buddhism very interesting, Tristana! I recommend it to you. :thumbup: :wink:

[Melodramatic]

You're right Tristana. It's more about philosphy especially Zen Buddhism. Meaning all religion can participate.

[Ned]

It is not a religion actually, it is really filosophy. Do you know the beginning of Buddhism in India?

[Melodramatic]

Yeah. So ironic that it took off in China whereas in india, Hindu was the pop of the two.

[Ramon_Morales_Jr]

Tristana u r always right and cool 8)

[Ned]

Hindu is a religion, buddhism is a phylosophy! Thou shall not confuse a religion with a phylosophy! :mrgreen:

[Melodramatic]

Hindu is a religion, buddhism is a phylosophy! Thou shall not confuse a religion with a phylosophy! :mrgreen:
I know Ned. But who practices buddhist philosophy in India? Maybe some but it's certainly not the pop of the two.

[Ned]

No, actually the hindus ppl practice that in India, with also tantra, brahma, yoga etc.

[Melodramatic]

Anyone interested in Kamasutra?

[Ramon_Morales_Jr]

Anyone interested in Kamasutra?

me

[Ned]

Gee, I wonder who's not interested in kama.!? :wink:

[Melodramatic]

I'm interested in wicca too, but not in a serious deity devotion type, just the toying with magick.

[Ramon_Morales_Jr]

I'm interested in wicca too, but not in a serious deity devotion type, just the toying with magick.

huhuh :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: man u need a :doc: :doc:

[Ned]

Be careful! Where you don't understand, don't push it! Just leave it alone! :|

[Ramon_Morales_Jr]

who cares ned flanders :twisted: :twisted:

[Melodramatic]

Be careful! Where you don't understand, don't push it! Just leave it alone! :|
Yes of course. It would be dumb to not take caution but it's very tempting.

[Ramon_Morales_Jr]

right :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

[banishedbayou]

Faith unites. Religion divides.

[DavidAlizée]

I am sure many have thier own religion and faith. I myself are Roman Catholic. In the catholic church, we have a prayer we use called the creed: If you read this carfully, you will find it to be a somewhat true and outstanding prayer.


We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation He came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit He became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man.

For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered death and was buried.

On the third day He rose again in accordance to the scriptures; He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets.

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.

It is a prayer to confess our faith. It is sad that religion, is mixed up between faith. It is also a shame, to see these Americans on this strange "GOD TV" channel, curing people like Jesus did. They call themselfs Christians, yet they are worshiping the guy who is perorming these fake miracles, the whole idea of the bible is that it explains about thy shall not worship a false prophet. They are doing just that, it is such a shame. World wars are caused by Christians with powerful views. Even John paul visited the holy land and to offer peace for the holocaust, kissed the bible and also the Koran, carried the Catholic cross with Jesus Christ. Catholics detail Jesus on the cross, not a plain cross like christians use. Yet, he made peace with the jews and went on into bethlehem. Not forgetting JP was catholic, his work was done. Then we see the Americans calling John Paul the antiChrist because he wanted to make peace with other religions. It is so damn annoying they retain these views.

[SeeMeRot]

u know what's really annoying to me.............a religion that doesn't have it's sh#t in order.......

[DavidAlizée]

u know what's really annoying to me.............a religion that doesn't have it's sh#t in order.......

*sigh* an example of my last sentance.

[Melodramatic]

u know what's really annoying to me.............a religion that doesn't have it's sh#t in order.......
And what would this religion be?

[SeeMeRot]

I'll give u one hint.........our president is the poster boy for it.....

[DavidAlizée]

So you are talking about Christians? Not Roman Catholics. There is a huge difference between so many Christans. Then there are American Christians, that worship some idiot performing "live miracles" on stage. There is no such thing as a Christian religion anyway. Everyone believes something different and use religion as an excuse.

Just because Bush is a Christian, so what? I don't even understand your point. You don't seem to have much of a clue about Catholics or even Christians for that matter. Are you trying to pick fault at the vatican again, or the catholic church? all you do is like to argue about it, with nop point..just a few words and lots of .........


peace!

[SeeMeRot]

the difference between Catholics and Christians is what my point is spazboy.......so many divisions for one religion........it's pathetic......

[DavidAlizée]

hmm. :roll:

It is a great shame that you added your view on this thread. Your view on Christians and catholics is degrading. You are a small voice trying to damage Christianity and catholicism. It is again a shame you have no idea what you are arguing, or trying to argue about. Christians and Catholics around the world are part of something great, something pure. You can not knock it, if you tried..

If you don't agree with Catholics, fine. If you don't agree with Christianity.. fine. Just don't come here slagging it off. I am not about to try and tell you Catholics are great, or Christians are great, but show some respect here child. You don't seem to say much at all, only lots of dots ond silly made up words.

So, your point is? Oh yes. You think christianity is pathetic? Hmm, yeah. I tell you what, you keep believing that, and carry on living your life as you are. You clearly don't want to be part of the Catholic church. It make me angry, that JohnPaul visited the HolyLand to try and put things right with other religions, and did a great Job. There is respect for us all.., the first words Pope benedict said, was to declare peace to all religions. Yet, there are still those like you, that have this crazy steriotype view, that makes me sick!


There can never be any kind of peace among religions or any peace at all, as long as there are people like you living among us, that still hold that steriotype view on Catholics and good Christians.
Good day!

[SeeMeRot]

omg........am I talking to a wall?....... :roll: .....

here......I'll dumb it down just for u........

ur church is divided in it's beliefs......so....."it doesn't have it's sh#t in order" .....never has never will.......

[DavidAlizée]

ok, i'm going to ignore all your posts untill you stop talking complete Nonsense. next time you post, it will be ignored. Your so.. ah well, nevermind. *sigh*

[SeeMeRot]

how is it nonsense?..........u said urself there's differences between Catholics and Christians..........are u gonna take back that comment?.... .....didn't think so.....

[DavidAlizée]

so, melo. I managed to rip that service i got from VHS PAL to DVD. I can host it tomorrow if you still want it. It is an English traditional mass, I am sure you will like it alot. It cost me a fortune for them to give me the rights too it, but your welcome to download a copy from me, and burn it to dvd. I will have it up tomorrow, so ill PM you the link i make, and anyone else that wants it. Trust me, it is a feast for you soul.

[SeeMeRot]

SMR.....wins (again)....

on topic now.....

the Aztec religion has always been in the back of my mind.......the "human/animal sacrifice" doesn't interest me much........but their calanders and basis of cycles does.....

[Melodramatic]

the difference between Catholics and Christians is what my point is spazboy.......so many divisions for one religion........it's pathetic......
Well Christianity is a very complex religion & Christ, it's founder, has already prophesied such division so to be short, it's very natural for Christianity to have so many denominations so there isn't really any need to "get their shit together". That would be going against its natural course.

[SeeMeRot]

point taken...........but to me that just seems like the whole belief system is weak and uncertain.....always "conforming" .....maybe?...

[Melodramatic]

so, melo. I managed to rip that service i got from VHS PAL to DVD. I can host it tomorrow if you still want it. It is an English traditional mass, I am sure you will like it alot. It cost me a fortune for them to give me the rights too it, but your welcome to download a copy from me, and burn it to dvd. I will have it up tomorrow, so ill PM you the link i make, and anyone else that wants it. Trust me, it is a feast for you soul.
Oh thanks alot man. I really appreciate that. Unfortunately I can't use the hub (don't know how) but you/I could inform Orion about this. He's in search of this material.

[DavidAlizée]

np, i don't use the dc hub anyway. I will host it from my pc, i will need to convert it from dvd - mpg first. So, if i give you the download link, it shouldnt take long to dl it. I hope Orion shows up too, it really is the most amazing thing.

[Melodramatic]

point taken...........but to me that just seems like the whole belief system is weak and uncertain.....always "conforming" .....maybe?...
What do you mean by this?

[SeeMeRot]

well..........to me.....it seems all these divisions (in the U.S. mainly).........are just a way of changing with the times and appealing to more people...... "adaptive" .......which is weak as a religion......cause a religion is supposed to be solid in its doctrine.....

[PayBays]

i don't believe in anything............

[DavidAlizée]

basicly, there are catholics and Christians. We Catholics believe almost all of what Christians believe, but we believe that Jesus died, has risen and will come again. We believe on Purgatory and the Eucurist we believe is that is the Lord is before us, at holy communion, so our masses are centered around the Eucurist. ( Eat my Body and drink my blood ) the holy Eucurist and the wine before us, are blessed when the Lord comes down ) We also believe the church is equaly as important, as the bible. We also have oils to give peace and may heal the sick in Jesus's name, ( (James 5:14) Is any sick among you? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. ) and our priests dress the same way, stated in the bible. Our priests can not marry, or date. We give everything to God and Jesus Christ. We trust the pope as a great leader, the one that has carried on the rien from St.Peter, to lead the church in Jesus's name.

It is not about the religion, but our faith in the catholic church. Jesus didnt write the bible, the first thing he did was to set up a church to spread his name,
" 16:18: And I say also unto thee, That thou are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church"

and the last thing he did was to tell Peter, to continue to lead the church in his name. That is why we believe the church is as important as the bible, and lead by the pope. not forgetting ( The term "Pope" signifies the head Bishop of the Catholic Church. ) If you attend a Catholic Mass, you will see what Christ truly instituted, straight from the Gospel!


The bottom line is, Christians and catholics believe Christ died to save out sins, and he is the messiah. Yet, so many Christians use war as an excuse... Not Catholics.

That kind of sums up the difference in the religion of Catholics and Christians.

There is also this summary.

The Catholic Church is the only church that can trace its roots back to the apostles. There is no other church that can make the same claim. There have been many Protestant theologians and Pastors that left their faith for the Catholic Church after researching the writings of the early church fathers. The early writings "scream" Catholic. Topics such as baptism, confession, the Mass, Purgatory, Mary, abortion, etc.; they are all found in the early Christian writing. The Bible, the tool given to non-Catholics by the Catholic Faith, has now been made a weapon against the true church as prophesied in the Bible (1 Tim 4:1; Gal 1:9).

[Melodramatic]

well..........to me.....it seems all these divisions (in the U.S. mainly).........are just a way of changing with the times and appealing to more people...... "adaptive" .......which is weak as a religion......cause a religion is supposed to be solid in its doctrine.....
You're right. But the Catholic Church is an exemption from that. Do you realize the reason why so many people abandon it & hate it? It's because as soceities & years progress... people feel like the catholic rules are too strict & passe for them to apply. Such issues like abortions & birthcontrol... the CC never compromised this, not even for modern soceity & those cahtolics who threaten to leave. That's a testament to its steadfast origin as David elaborately puts.

[DavidAlizée]

This is just a simple poll to see what kind of people we have on this forum. To give me an idea of the different background you all come from. I can learn alot about people by what they have been taught, ragards to religion. So.. Roman Catholic, Christian, Other and none. If you don't care, then please.. this topic is not for you. It will more than likely be merged into one of the religious threads, i can't do that myself so it remains here for now.

So, what is you religion? What do you believe in?

Lets keep this discussion/poll nice, i don't want anyone to add there comments "I don't care", because i don't care, ok? =)

So, please vote to the given options and tell me, are you still practisng?

I'm not really interested if your opinion if you selected the options "other" or "None" . .... only if you are Catholic or Christian.

[Emmerdale001]

My beliefs come closest to that of Deism. I get along with Agnostics very well as a result, but unlike them, I am more ready to affirm the existence of God than they are. For them, they remain neutral on the question. Atheists are the opposite though. They don't think God exists.

Deism is the belief in God as revealed through reason and the study of the universe and nature, and it is very skeptical of religious texts that claim to have all answers, skeptical of church authority, and skeptical of any person who may claim to know the way to salvation.

Deism is a free-thought philosophy. There is no dogma. The only constant is your use of reason and observation of the world around you.

[Bondius]

Well I'm a Christian by birth but honestly I don't belive in any ... just a bunch of superstitions so men won't be allmighty in the world ... we have to fear someone, don't we? >_>

[Franka]

DavidAlizée, I think there are a number of Muslin. You should add that :roll:

But......I don't believe in God. I don't believe there are ghosts or something like that, either. Though sometimes I'll swear "Oh my God" :mrgreen:
For a little while, I want to be a Christian, but my mum told me not to. Because she was kicked out of the church when she was young....... :cheesy:

[PayBays]

I have some extra names,so i must be a RC

[SeeMeRot]

my family's Catholic and I was brought up Catholic.....but somewhere along the line I had too many questions with no reasonable answers......so in time I became agnostic......I figured atheism wasn't for me since I still wanted the benefits of celebrating Christmas without feeling too guilty...... (I know that's awful) .....

[DavidAlizée]

DavidAlizée, I think there are a number of Muslin. You should add that :roll:

But......I don't believe in God. I don't believe there are ghosts or something like that, either. Though sometimes I'll swear "Oh my God" :mrgreen:
For a little while, I want to be a Christian, but my mum told me not to. Because she was kicked out of the church when she was young....... :cheesy:

Well, as i said, i really just want to get an idea about the count of catholics and Christians here. Why did your mum get kicked out of the church, no-one can be kicked out of the catholic church, ( so im guessing it is a christian one.. ) it doesnt matter what they have done or said.. so can you explain how she got kicked out?

smr, i know what you mean, so many questions, little answers. Sometimes, you just need to know whereb to look. Because lots of people try to preach the answers, withought giving an answer.

Paybays.. your RC? thats good to know, but what do you believe? Or are you just not practising?

You know, lots of people hate Catholic because the first thing they think is " I don't want to be preached to". Catholics arnt like that, if someone doesnt want to believe in Jesus or Catholic faith, that is fine. The bible always talks about making choices, so we respect everyones regarding religion. However, those who are interested in the faith, it's not about muttering prayer after prayer.. It is about the good deeds you do each day for people, that.. nice feeling you get inside when you do something good. Like it or not, you feel holy, when you do something nice for someone. You don't have to study the bible at all, just really understand the catholic faith. You don't even need to go to church, just to understand that the church was around long before the bible. So, most of what Jesus said was "word of mouth". The bible can't write down everything that Jesus said, so the church ( catholic ) teaches about, confession, good deeds, prayer and respect for all walks of life.

Its not a boring religion, but interesting. The answers are always there, i would be happy to answer them, if i can.

thanks for voting!!

[Steve]

I have been brought up in a Christain/Baptist family, I still consider myself a christain as i loosly base my judgments on what i belive in

[DavidAlizée]

so, what do you believe in Steve?

There is only one question i put to Christians..

Why do you believe that, during baptism the person must be submerged in water, and then he is baptised?

( the bible states clear, Then, John baptised Paul in the lake.. a voice shouted " Are you the massiah" , John said.. No! There is another one that is coming who will need to baptise you with the holy spirit also. When Jesus came into the lake, a dove flew down on him, and John baptised people with water, and Jesus baptised them with the holy spirit )

Catholic priests baptise people with water and the holy spirit. As Jesus and John did.

This is one of many questions i always wanted to ask a Christian.

[Franka]

DavidAlizée, I think there are a number of Muslin. You should add that :roll:

But......I don't believe in God. I don't believe there are ghosts or something like that, either. Though sometimes I'll swear "Oh my God" :mrgreen:
For a little while, I want to be a Christian, but my mum told me not to. Because she was kicked out of the church when she was young....... :cheesy:

Well, as i said, i really just want to get an idea about the count of catholics and Christians here. Why did your mum get kicked out of the church, no-one can be kicked out of the catholic church, ( so im guessing it is a christian one.. ) it doesnt matter what they have done or said.. so can you explain how she got kicked out?

Yes, that's a christian one.
My mum really hate the clergyman because he talks a lot. And she doesn't like Christianity either (but I don't know why she went to the chruch if she doen't like it?? Maybe for fun, my mum said......) one day. the clergyman told the believers that Christians cannot worship idols......and my mum swore "WTF.....can't I worship Jacky Chen???" in front of lots of people. Though it's not very loudly, but everyone heard it.
And then......you know.............

Of course, the bad words my mum said was Chinese, I just get a close English version.........

[DavidAlizée]

well, i am sure your mum doesnt worship jacky chan in a holy way. If she said that in a catholic church, i am sure people would be disgusted, but she would not have been kicked out. She would have been told to stop shouting out comments like that, and that would be the end of it. The only thing the catholic church is strict on is taking part in the communion. If you are married, and get devorced, you are still able to take holy communion, becuase is Gods eyes, you are still married. The only way you can become devorced in Gods eyes, is by death. However, if you Re-marry when devorced, You are commiting adultry, becuase ib Gods eyes you are infact married twice. Therfore, you are not allowed to take holy communion or the sacraments of Jesus. It is the same for a priest, he can never be kicked out of the priesthood for anything. The same goes for catholic church. If you are a trouble maker, you may be asked to come to the church private, for your own personal session or mass. You see, Catholics don't adanden Gods flock so easily. Another difference between Christians and Catholics.

cya

[PayBays]

Paybays.. your RC? thats good to know, but what do you believe? Or are you just not practising?


Well i was a strong at Church.I did my "Communie" so i'm offcialy a RC.
Since the last 8 years i haven't got to Church ever.No Christmas,No New Year,No Eastern

I'm just having my RC-title and not more.I don't believe in anything,but offcourse i think that there has to be something.

I Also got a Bracelet from some kinda famous Church-Priest from America.I forgot his name but he's the most famous Priest i ever seen ( not the Pope )

[DavidAlizée]

a cardinal?

Also, how can you claim to be a roman catholic if you don't believe in Jesus Christ or God?

what do you believe?

[PayBays]

Well i used to believe in them,but not anymore.My parents gave me the chance to choose if i go to Church.I didn't,but i still have my status.

[DavidAlizée]

what changed your mind? what made you stop believing?

[PayBays]

I didn't care about it anymore.I used to pray till i was 8.I sometimes pray for fun:

I wish Alizee will write me back.

Till my 8 year only unplesant things happened,so that's why i quited praying and ging to the church.It didn't help

[DavidAlizée]

what kinda things happened? That is no reason to stop going to church, i am sure the church might have helped you, that is a bad move to turn away from God because bad things happened. That is the biggest time, when you need to pray and need to church to be there for you.

[Ned]

I'm a genuine orthodox christian, not practising, because I'm not a "churchy" type of guy. I don't believe in the holy church, just in God and that's all.

[Mr Bond]

I'm affraid I'm not a religous person although I believe people should abide by a moral code like the 10 comandments. I also think its important to treat people as you would like to be treated yourself, respect your family and the law.

[DavidAlizée]

Nice words Chris. Yes, totally respect your family and treat others as you would like to be treat yourself. Are you sure your not Roman Catholic? lol

[MetalicGuy]

I don't know... i'm something in between catholic and protestant. Catholic because my mother is from poland so i guess it had some impact on me. And protestant since i was baptized and confirmed in the protestant church.

And no.. i'm not a satanist just because i listen to metal music :mrgreen:

[gaston_alizee]

I'm muslim. [Message too short.]

[Steve]

Whats musleum?? is it muslim??

[Melodramatic]

my family's Catholic and I was brought up Catholic.....but somewhere along the line I had too many questions with no reasonable answers......so in time I became agnostic......I figured atheism wasn't for me since I still wanted the benefits of celebrating Christmas without feeling too guilty...... (I know that's awful) .....
Every Catholic has been in that stage. I personally have been there myself.

[Melodramatic]

So, please vote to the given options and tell me, are you still practisng?

Catholic. I'm kind of drifting but I'm getting my way back. Climbing my way back. Sigh. Every relgion has its challenges, don't they Dave? Btw Dave, have you had you Confirmation yet? And when was your last confession?

[Bondius]

I don't know the 3 guys who voted "none" but they are wrong. Having a religion is one thing, beliving in it is another. I really don't belive in God but alas I was born a christian and there's not a thing I can do about it. Everyone is born under a certain religion wether they like it/not or belive it/not. I don't think you guys were born in the middle of the desert all alone and you don't know what's religion acutally.

Just my point of view ... everyone has a religion.

[Melodramatic]

Good point Bondius. 8)

[SeeMeRot]

true..........to an extent......but religion is nothing if u have no faith in it.....

[Bondius]

True but it's still a religon. To be honest I'm keeping my christian ways just not to upset the family and still have fun on religious holidays.

[gaston_alizee]

Whats musleum?? is it muslim??
Yeah it is. Sorry I mde a little mistake :oops:.

True but it's still a religon. To be honest I'm keeping my christian ways just not to upset the family and still have fun on religious holidays.
Me too.

[DavidAlizée]

melo, Yeah, ive had my confirmation when i was 14 i think. My last confession to God, is every night. My last confession to a priest was a week ago.most people find it uneasy to confess thier sins. It is not that bad, you just need to ask your priest, on what days does he do confessions. Then you just go to church, and sit and wait for your turn, go into a private room with him, he can't see you, and you can't see him.. then just tell him the things you have done. One thing you can be sure of, it doesnt matter how bad you think you have done something, you will never shock a priest.

Melo, every catholic has days of drifting away from faith, it just takes something small to find your way again. even if it just one prayer, or something very holy that maked you proud to be a catholic.

[benficabeatsporto]

i picked "none", oh i have to tell you guys who visited me yesterday, some extremist muslims who just arrived in melbourne from Saudi arabia.. They kept talking to me about Islam and stuff.. they were quite scary.. but i wasn't buying any of what they were saying.. but i didn't want to say anything to upset them so i just listened for 10 minutes while they kept talking crap..it was torture.. i wonder how they found out my familiy are muslims. . :?

[Bondius]

then why did you pick "none" when you are muslim? there is no such thing as "NO religion", people ... we can't choose, we're forced from generation to generation!!

[DavidAlizée]

Hm i don't know. Some people just couldnt care less if they live or die tomorrow, they just want to live life by the day, and do whatever they want. They don't want to know about any kinds of religion and have no faith.

Like someone already said, religion is nothing withought faith. Faith is everything, religion is not. If you have the faith and believe in your religion from the bottom of your heart, not just becuase you have to, then you truly have found your way. I persoanly, could not live my life, withought the catholic faith. I would not be the person today withought it.

I would be interested to know what muslims believe. I already know what they are supposed to believe in, can one of you exlain the thing you believe in ?

[Bondius]

I belive in myself. I'm not self-centered, but for me God isn't there. If there IS a God, he has forgotten me long ago. I stopped to pray and belive in him after my father died (and belive me, I prayed to God day and night not to take him away). I'd vote for "none" too but I'm a christian from birth and I can't deny that fact wether I belive in God or not.

[DavidAlizée]

You see, everyone always asks, "if there is a God, why does he let people die"

The fact his, he gave to us his only son Jesus Christ. His only son was cruscified on the cross, tortured and suffererd an horrific death. Jesus called out to God and ask him to be saved. Jesus died on the cross...

why? well, for two reasons.

1. To save us from our sins, and to allow us to entire the kingdom of heaven, as the physical body cannot, but the spitiual body can.

2. If God had of stepped in when Jesus asked him to, he would have to do it for everyone. He showed us he will not interfear with the affiars on earth. However, when someone you loves dies, he will be in the kingdom of heaven.


So you see, praying for God to not take away someone you love is not really praying. It is more, asking God to step in and save him. If she showed us by example of his son Jesus, he is not going to do it now. It is ofc, human nature t ask God for these things. A prayer, to protect and watch over him, to majke his life less painful and give him strenth, hope and love are the things that God can give.

God is there, and he has not forgotten anyone. He does not abanden his flock. He so loved this world, he gave up his only son just for us.

If you are Christian, and you don't believe in God or Jesus Christ, you need to ask yourself two thing. Am i really a Christian, or am i just here to make the numbers up. Also, how did i get here on earth, can you argue with the bible? Can you argue with the church, to ignore that Jesus existed, even the Jews believe he existed.

That fact is, just because he did not save your father from dying, you can not right off God. People die everyday around the world and so people are born everyday too. The cycle of life. Sorry to sound so cold, but it is just the fact, you know.

You should pray to god and pray your father is being loved and is apart of a new life now. I have lost some dear friends, whom i loved alot. I was sad of course when they died, however, my faith keeps me going. Whom are we, if we do not have any faith.

[Bondius]

Well I didn't say that God abbandoned the flock ... just one lost little lamb. I know he might be better where he is now but if God gave a damn thing about me he wouldn't take him when I was 10. THANX ALOT, GOD!

I don't hate God but for me he doesn't exists ...

[DavidAlizée]

oh my. A Christian saying these things? :shock:

I hope you find your faith real soon. For your own sake.


So, i would like to know what the muslims believe? a little bit of deail to your beliefs.

[Tim]

I'm a practising Christian (presbyterian). My father is a minister.

[PayBays]

Well I didn't say that God abbandoned the flock ... just one lost little lamb. I know he might be better where he is now but if God gave a damn thing about me he wouldn't take him when I was 10. THANX ALOT, GOD!

I don't hate God but for me he doesn't exists ...

I know what you mean.I don't hate God,but i think he just do his own thing.I don't even believe in him!

[DavidAlizée]

lol, how can you people claim to be Christians, but yet you dopn't believe in the biggest thing Christians stand for. They believe in God.

So, your telling me you are not Christians. You can't be, if you don't believe in God. It doesnt really matter if you were born a Christian, there is a difference. One can be a Christian, not practising, but still believe in Jesus and God. But, to call yourself a Christian, and not believe in God is rediculous.


I don't hate God,but i think he just do his own thing.I don't even believe in him!

oh my, How can you not hate him..You even said, he does his own thing, and you claim you dont believe in him. :?

[Tim]

Bondius, you confused me greatly in this thread. How can you not hate something that 'doesn't exist'? How can he 'do his own thing' when 'he doesn't exist'?

O_o.

[MetalicGuy]

Anyway.. i have a question... what's the difference between catholic and protestant... from what i know the religion itself doesn't differ but it's how the church is organized and so on.. well.. i'm maybe totally wrong... sooo... maybe someone could fill me in =)))...

[DavidAlizée]

It would be nice for a protestant to share his views and beliefs. I can easily share catholics views and things we believe in, that Christians don't, but i would like to also see views from the protestants.

They are no way the same, by any means.

[Snatcher42]

It will more than likely be merged into one of the religious threads, i can't do that myself so it remains here for now.
Yeah, ok - I'll merge this with melo's religion discussion thread so you can talk about both in the same place.


Nice words Chris. Yes, totally respect your family and treat others as you would like to be treat yourself. Are you sure your not Roman Catholic? lol
I also like what Chris said. That’s certainly not only a Catholic thing. I voted “other” because while I don’t believe in anything spiritual, my background is Jewish and I still like many of those morals, stories, etc.

One comes to mind about a man in Biblical times who was searching for someone who could teach him the entire Torah (our holy book -- basically the old testament) while balancing on one foot… forgot exactly why, maybe a task for a king or something… there are probably multiple versions of this story anyway. So he went around to all the Rabbis asking them each to teach the entire Torah while standing on one foot. Many tried, and some with good balance maybe got through most of Genesis. But sooner or later, they’d all lose balance and fall down (if your reading this in a kid’s book, there are probably pictures here of various Rabbis tripping over, falling into mud, and generally making fools of themselves :-) ). Eventually he got around to one of the most famous and wise Rabbis and asked: “Rabbi, I have been searching high and low for someone who can teach the entire Torah to me while standing on one foot. No one has been able to succeed at this task, you are my last hope.” And the Rabbi responds: “The entire Torah while standing on one foot? That’s easy.” He balances on one foot and says: “Do unto others as you would wish them to do unto you.” He puts his foot down. “There, that is the Torah. Everything else is just commentary.” :-)

I’ve always liked that story because it illustrates something about Judaism that appeals to me. Comparatively as far as religions go, it’s not so concerned about what you believe, rather just with what you do. Live life as a good person, and matters of the soul will attend to themselves.

[Melodramatic]

melo, Yeah, ive had my confirmation when i was 14 i think. My last confession to God, is every night. My last confession to a priest was a week ago.most people find it uneasy to confess thier sins. It is not that bad, you just need to ask your priest, on what days does he do confessions. Then you just go to church, and sit and wait for your turn, go into a private room with him, he can't see you, and you can't see him.. then just tell him the things you have done. One thing you can be sure of, it doesnt matter how bad you think you have done something, you will never shock a priest.

Melo, every catholic has days of drifting away from faith, it just takes something small to find your way again. even if it just one prayer, or something very holy that maked you proud to be a catholic.
Ugh, I used to dread confessions. :lol: My last confession was probably four years ago. It's been a while. My church attendance hasn't been the best either. I suppose I'm at the stage of recovering my faith despite my religious alignment. Before, I'd use to confess during the Lenten season. Those were the good days, the days when I felt spiritually cleansed. To what extent are you a practicing Catholic Dave?

[PayBays]

oh my, How can you not hate him..You even said, he does his own thing, and you claim you dont believe in him. :?

As i said,my believe for God is just a tiny percent.I don't really believe in him,but i think there must be something.I don't hate or like him,i just took some steps back from the Church.I never go there since 10 years.

[Melodramatic]

Well I didn't say that God abbandoned the flock ... just one lost little lamb. I know he might be better where he is now but if God gave a damn thing about me he wouldn't take him when I was 10. THANX ALOT, GOD!

I don't hate God but for me he doesn't exists ...
Is he someone dear to you like your sibling? I can undertsand where you're coming from. I'd be angry at God if such a thing were to happen to me.

[DavidAlizée]

snatcher, good story. I guess the same goes for the King James bible, NT. Catholics believe good deeds, also get them into heavenm, because each man is jufged acoording to his works. Christians, don't believe this. They believe that, no good deeds can get anyone into heaven, only faith and trust in Jesus. That however is not enough. It is simply not enough to just accept Jesus as your saviour. A man can't go out, live a dreadful life of sin, kill people and break everything the bibile stands for, and just mutter Jesus is my savior. It is all about how you live your life. Not that this has got anything to do with you, because i know your a Jew, but i am just making a statment about Christians.

Melo, my extent of practising, i don't know how to answer that really. I will tell you that later in private =)

As for the confessions, sometimes it is just as easy to pray them to God. As you know, God forgives them, who are truly sorry for thier sins. Those that, have commited a dreadful sin, and are ready to ask God to forgive them with the help , not to make the same mistake again. Asking for forgivness can be hard for some people to do, it is by no means easy, and not easy to pray sometimes.

PayBays, You know, sometimes your not Gods friend, or you have losed your way. He is always your friend. I was always taught, if you lose your faith in God, just lie down, on a sunny day, and look up at the sky and ask yourself, why are you angry with God, do i believe in God. You will get your answers and find your way again. Every now and again, a shepard loses a sheep, God doesnt lose any. His sheep choose to walk away, and it is up to that sheep to find his way home with a little help. You just need to pray, take 5 minutes out and pray silently, talk to him. Catholics and Christians believe that, Christ is in all of us, always around us, in our hearts, so i am sure as you say you have no hate for him, so you must believe in him.. why don't you try and find your faith in the Roman Catholic church, instead of just a Christian. I am sure you will feel cleansed and alive again, ready to live your life with full joyment again. It is pretty amazing ther power prayer and faith can have.

[Melodramatic]

snatcher, good story. I guess the same goes for the King James bible, NT. Catholics believe good deeds, also get them into heavenm, because each man is jufged acoording to his works. Christians, don't believe this. They believe that, no good deeds can get anyone into heaven, only faith and trust in Jesus. That however is not enough. It is simply not enough to just accept Jesus as your saviour. A man can't go out, live a dreadful life of sin, kill people and break everything the bibile stands for, and just mutter Jesus is my savior. It is all about how you live your life. Not that this has got anything to do with you, because i know your a Jew, but i am just making a statment about Christians.

Yes. This one is the clear indicator that Christians & Catholics are separate. Christians believe that their past, present, & future sins have already been forgiven so long as they accept Christ as their savior. Catholics on the other hand believe in christ but also believe that your present state is the determiner of where you're headed. No future atoned sins here. Everyday is a work in progress of penance & lessons & true desire to be better. Christians don't believe that good works will get you to heaven but then actions speak louder than words after all.


Melo, my extent of practising, i don't know how to answer that really. I will tell you that later in private =)

Hehe. I sense mischief on your part Dave. :wink: Very well, tell me in private.


PayBays, You know, sometimes your not Gods friend, or you have losed your way. He is always your friend. I was always taught, if you lose your faith in God, just lie down, on a sunny day, and look up at the sky and ask yourself, why are you angry with God, do i believe in God. You will get your answers and find your way again. Every now and again, a shepard loses a sheep, God doesnt lose any. His sheep choose to walk away, and it is up to that sheep to find his way home with a little help. You just need to pray, take 5 minutes out and pray silently, talk to him. Catholics and Christians believe that, Christ is in all of us, always around us, in our hearts, so i am sure as you say you have no hate for him, so you must believe in him.. why don't you try and find your faith in the Roman Catholic church, instead of just a Christian. I am sure you will feel cleansed and alive again, ready to live your life with full joyment again. It is pretty amazing ther power prayer and faith can have.

So true. Hopefully I'll be treading where the Sheperd intends for me to be.

[benficabeatsporto]

then why did you pick "none" when you are muslim? there is no such thing as "NO religion", people ... we can't choose, we're forced from generation to generation!!

what i meant was that my family are muslims, but not me.. i used to be religious but i guess i grew outta that.. i just can't see myself wasting alot of time praying to god when life is so short.

[Bondius]

I understand that but you can't deny the fact that you are a muslim by birth. Babies can't decide if they follow a religion or not ... impossible.

[Ramon_Morales_Jr]

oh boy not this thread again :cry:

[DavidAlizée]

then why did you pick "none" when you are muslim? there is no such thing as "NO religion", people ... we can't choose, we're forced from generation to generation!!
i just can't see myself wasting alot of time praying to god when life is so short.

Oh, 2 minutes per day? to ask for the forgivness of your sins, that is not hard to ask. You don't even need to go to church to do that. It is ofc, better to do so, but a first step for anyone, should be at least to pray to God, to forgive your sins.

[SeeMeRot]

I understand that but you can't deny the fact that you are a muslim by birth. Babies can't decide if they follow a religion or not ... impossible.

true.......but an adult can decide what religion they follow or not....if any.......

[Ramon_Morales_Jr]

i never went to church

[Bondius]

I understand that but you can't deny the fact that you are a muslim by birth. Babies can't decide if they follow a religion or not ... impossible.

true.......but an adult can decide what religion they follow or not....if any.......

Well I'm at the age where I can make decisions. I decided to stick with beeing a christian because I like the holidays and such. I don't know how a christian-born can start living without Christmas and Easter >_>

[Ramon_Morales_Jr]

tato thats cool 8) 8) 8)

[DavidAlizée]

But, if you don't believe in the birth of Christ, and you don't believe that Jesus rose again. Why are you even celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ?

[Ramon_Morales_Jr]

But, if you don't believe in the birth of Christ, and you don't believe that Jesus rose again. Why are you even celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ?

i believe it dave :P :P

[DavidAlizée]

I know ya do friend =)





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[Bondius]

Well, I celebrate just not to turn my back on the family. My grandparents would freak out if they heard I don't think God exists >_>

[benficabeatsporto]

then why did you pick "none" when you are muslim? there is no such thing as "NO religion", people ... we can't choose, we're forced from generation to generation!!
i just can't see myself wasting alot of time praying to god when life is so short.

Oh, 2 minutes per day? to ask for the forgivness of your sins, that is not hard to ask. You don't even need to go to church to do that. It is ofc, better to do so, but a first step for anyone, should be at least to pray to God, to forgive your sins.

David, thats the stupidest thing i've ever read, first of all i was muslim not a catholic so i wouldn't go to a church, i would go to a mosque, second praying when ur a muslim is much worse than what you would do. you have to pray like 5 times a day, and u have to wake up in the morning at 4:00am to pray.. and theres plenty of other crap.. and plus in religious countries you have to learn to read the koran which is in arabic. and theres plenty of other things.. plus i don't like the way muslims treat women.


I understand that but you can't deny the fact that you are a muslim by birth. Babies can't decide if they follow a religion or not ... impossible.

did i say that i wasn't born a muslim? if i had the knowledge i had when i was a little tacka, i would have clearly chosen to not follow any religion.

[tern]

It's okay spank, you don't have to be muslim.

[DavidAlizée]

Spank, you said just can't see myself wasting alot of time praying to god when life is so short.

i answered my posts, directed at you praying to God, like you said. You said it would be a waste of time, i explained it would not be. I don't really care about the muslim way of life. I was talking about from a Catholic point of view. I would not encourage anyone to pray from another religion.

[MetalicGuy]

Anyway... maybe this is a bit off topic... but at the same time not.. do you guys believe in near-death experiences?

[Tyza]

^Yes I do. :arrowu:

[benficabeatsporto]

I would be interested to know what muslims believe. I already know what they are supposed to believe in, can one of you exlain the thing you believe in ?


Spank, you said just can't see myself wasting alot of time praying to god when life is so short.

i answered my posts, directed at you praying to God, like you said. You said it would be a waste of time, i explained it would not be. I don't really care about the muslim way of life. I was talking about from a Catholic point of view. I would not encourage anyone to pray from another religion.

i don't understand, u said u would want to know what they are suppose to believe etc. and i told u some information, now ur saying that u don't care about the way they live.. what are u on about. and plus if u read my post properly.. Muslims do not just take 2 minutes to pray.. They take LONGER so thats what i was trying to say.. ur saying that im taking 2 minutes of my time when im not, im taking more time because im a different religion.

[DavidAlizée]

oh, sorry. I was supposed to say, i would like to know what protestants believe, not muslims. I also know that muslims take about 4 hrs to pray , as you said. I answerd my post, thinking we were talking about protestants, not muslims. I have to admit , i didnt read all your post, i read now that you say muslims. I am not interested in that religion though. I don't blame you for not wanting to practise its religion. Ik, enough talk of muslins.

So, how many of you are protestants?

Also, metalic. I believe in near death experiences.

[MetalicGuy]

oh, sorry. I was supposed to say, i would like to know what protestants believe


I think you know now... :mrgreen:

[Tristana]

I don't know the 3 guys who voted "none" but they are wrong. Having a religion is one thing, beliving in it is another. I really don't belive in God but alas I was born a christian and there's not a thing I can do about it. Everyone is born under a certain religion wether they like it/not or belive it/not. I don't think you guys were born in the middle of the desert all alone and you don't know what's religion acutally.

Just my point of view ... everyone has a religion.

That's wrong.
I was born in a family where nobody believes in one religion ; I just learned at school some stories from the Bible. I never felt Catholic at all, because I had the chance to be in a family where no religion was imposed, and now I can look at all religions in the world and find the one which suits me...

[Melodramatic]

^ And what would that be Trist?

[gaston_alizee]

I don't know the 3 guys who voted "none" but they are wrong. Having a religion is one thing, beliving in it is another. I really don't belive in God but alas I was born a christian and there's not a thing I can do about it. Everyone is born under a certain religion wether they like it/not or belive it/not. I don't think you guys were born in the middle of the desert all alone and you don't know what's religion acutally.

Just my point of view ... everyone has a religion.
+1. I'm muslim, but I don't believe in it. I just believe in God, no more...

[D13U]

I don't know the 3 guys who voted "none" but they are wrong. Having a religion is one thing, beliving in it is another. I really don't belive in God but alas I was born a christian and there's not a thing I can do about it. Everyone is born under a certain religion wether they like it/not or belive it/not. I don't think you guys were born in the middle of the desert all alone and you don't know what's religion acutally.

Just my point of view ... everyone has a religion.
Being born under a religion doesn't mean anything. Religion is a choice and will forever be one. Just because your parents are one religion, and were so when you were born doesn't mean you have that religion.. it means your parents do. You can't even argue that point... it's not a race, it's not a nationality, it's an ideology, a series of beliefs. That's like saying "Well your parents think smoking is good.. so deep down you must, too!" It's the same concept. And it's just as much a fallacy

Knowing what religion is is just as irrelevent. To go back to my other example.. I know what smoking is, that must mean I smoke, or that it's good!

[Ned]

Being born under a religion doesn't mean anything. Religion is a choice and will forever be one. Just because your parents are one religion, and were so when you were born doesn't mean you have that religion.. it means your parents do. You can't even argue that point... it's not a race, it's not a nationality, it's an ideology, a series of beliefs. That's like saying "Well your parents think smoking is good.. so deep down you must, too!" It's the same concept. And it's just as much a fallacy

Knowing what religion is is just as irrelevent. To go back to my other example.. I know what smoking is, that must mean I smoke, or that it's good!
I must say I agree with you, D13U! It's a subjective matter, just so religion is something relative too.

[Tristana]

^ And what would that be Trist?

Buddhism :wink:

[Melodramatic]

^ And what would that be Trist?

Buddhism :wink:
Which kind? Zen? :cheesy: