New Pictures Thread (Post Your New Pics Here)

[Ekasra]

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2216/alizeeconcert6kz.jpg

All the time I was asking myself who is that woman. She seems to yell at Alizee, but Alizee seems to be not interesting in what she sais.

She looks quite "hip" in that pic, and yeah, she doesn't really seem to be paying attention

[RMJ]

^Cool, you made it from caps of the video where it tilts smoothly up? Good idea.
Yup, that's how it's made. Combination of several frames. I knew hardcore fan notices it right away. :) (But who can find the edges of frames? :wink: )



10 new (though heavily watermarked) photos from the Korean showcase at:
http://www.justalizee.com/index2.htm
These are very nice ones. Too bad those watermarks... I'd really like to see the original ones! (They are 1648x2464 pixel photos)

[Beanie]

She's one of Alizee's dancers.

[tern]

Yeah.... no way I'm getting through that watermarking.

[PayBays]

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2216/alizeeconcert6kz.jpg

All the time I was asking myself who is that woman. She seems to yell at Alizee, but Alizee seems to be not interesting in what she sais.

She looks quite "hip" in that pic, and yeah, she doesn't really seem to be paying attention

It looks photoshopped...

It's Not Audrey...
It is not Sandry...
It's Stephanie...
or
It's Letithia...

[Mr Bond]

I agree look at the legs on the dancer (whichever one it is) that black outline around them like it was cut out from another picture with a dark background. :?

[PayBays]

I agree look at the legs on the dancer (whichever one it is) that black outline around them like it was cut out from another picture with a dark background. :?

Wait,lemme do smart

The sun comes from the back of Lili.Which means her legs stop the sun,so a shadow falls over the legs of the dancer.Also her shadow is at the back of the danser

Did i do smart or what :cheesy:

[Greenie]

PayBays, as hell :lol: i don't c a shadow... n it's maybe girls r blind :P

[YCZ]

A perfectly good photo to me. And what is the point of photoshop this pic?
I don't see any deeper meaning to this, it's just Alizee talking to someone.

[Ekasra]

A perfectly good photo to me. And what is the point of photoshop this pic?
I don't see any deeper meaning to this, it's just Alizee talking to someone.

I was right about to say that, we aren't talking about a fake nude pic, we're talking about her talking to someone. Whats the point of photoshoping that

[John]

Well these aren't new pics, but since I was uploading them to imageshack, figured I'd post em. Hmm...actually I will pretend they are new pics just to post them hehe.

http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/430/hqalizee18jl.th.jpg (http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hqalizee18jl.jpg)

http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/8361/hqalizee29wk.th.jpg (http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hqalizee29wk.jpg)

http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/5990/hqalizee33ya.th.jpg (http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hqalizee33ya.jpg)

[RMJ]

I agree look at the legs on the dancer (whichever one it is) that black outline around them like it was cut out from another picture with a dark background. :?
Those dark and light areas on the edge of background and legs/arms/chin on the girl and Lili are artifacts caused by bad source (ghosting effect) or too heavy compressings.

And as earlier shown in this thread already, better version exists:

http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/alizeebackstagetop.jpg


Paybays
The main light source is closer to right top corner. Shadows are thrown on the left side of the objects. It's also, most likely, cloudy day as there's heavy ambient light as shadows are hardly visible.

[MagLunDeRez]

Paybays
The main light source is closer to right top corner. Shadows are thrown on the left side of the objects. It's also, most likely, cloudy day as there's heavy ambient light as shadows are hardly visible.

And Alizée looks really cool. :oops:

[PayBays]

I wasn't smart enough he RMJ

You always have to kill my theories :cry: :oops: :P

[Snatcher42]

Some goodies from nidalizee.com, provided by Jessica:

With fan in 2001:
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1804/021hd.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=021hd.jpg)

With Olivier in 2002:
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7514/016ff.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=016ff.jpg)

Signing autographs in 2003:
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4666/028td.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=028td.jpg)

And here, one of the newest pics we have:
With fan on the weekend of 24 novembre 2005 in Disneyland Paris!
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6060/342kc.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=342kc.jpg)

[Z3R0]

wow she starting to look like her old self in that disneyland pic... :shock:

[ArlettyFan]

Great! That woman must be a "midget" in that first picture. :shock:

Nice new picture too. Glad to see she's still enjoying Euro Disney. She looks pale though, has she spent a lot of time working and or being a mother? Let the speculation begin...

edit

This isn't really anything new, but I found these two pictures in the Concert program, and I don't think we have them outside the program. (unfortunately, they are in the quality of the program as I cut them out from there, and yes picture 2 is at the correct aspect ratio).

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4392/concertprogram23mk.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7370/concertprogram18am.jpg

[RMJ]

Thanks for the pics Snatcher! (or thanks for the Jessica really!)





This isn't really anything new, but I found these two pictures in the Concert program, and I don't think we have them outside the program. (unfortunately, they are in the quality of the program as I cut them out from there, and yes picture 2 is at the correct aspect ratio).

I'll scan you better ones. :)

[YCZ]

Damn... I dream of one day taking a picture with Alizee.
That first picture does make Alizee look big lol.

[RMJ]

Here's some what better versions of those JanG's photos (altho my scanner had too bright settings. White areas burned through... ).

Make up:
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7548/concertprogrammemakeup3ho.th.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/my.php?image=concertprogrammemakeup3ho.jpg)

JPVA Drums:
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1189/concertprogrammejpvadrums4gt.jpg

And bonus from same page... (she looks cute in it :) ):
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3161/concertprogrammejpvadrums22tz.jpg

[ArlettyFan]

Thank you so much RMJ!

(where did you get the program?)

[tern]

Very very well-scanned RMJ. I thank you much for those!

[RMJ]

Glad you like 'em. :)

Could be better, tho. As said scanner had bad settings, in make up photo whites got burned and black level wasn't very good (you should see the edge of her face and hairs but it's hardly visible even after editing). The JPVA ones are pretty good, but they could use some more retouching.



(where did you get the program?)
Bought it couple years ago online from some French girl . Paid seriously overprice but atleast I got it. And that's all that matters. :)

She had kept it in extremely good shape and it's still in perfect condition (I think, one couldn't tell if it's ever opened). I very rarely take it out of plastic...

[Henrik]

Oh that pic from Nov 24 is fantastic! Her hair looks shorter than before, almost like in the JEAM video, and I love it :D But it looks like it was very cold..

[ArlettyFan]

Glad you like 'em. :)

Could be better, tho. As said scanner had bad settings, in make up photo whites got burned and black level wasn't very good (you should see the edge of her face and hairs but it's hardly visible even after editing). The JPVA ones are pretty good, but they could use some more retouching.



(where did you get the program?)
Bought it couple years ago online from some French girl . Paid seriously overprice but atleast I got it. And that's all that matters. :)

She had kept it in extremely good shape and it's still in perfect condition (I think, one couldn't tell if it's ever opened). I very rarely take it out of plastic...

An extra special thank you! :shock:

[KneeDeep]

Snatcher, is the first pic Julia? Kind of looks like her.

[Snatcher42]

Snatcher, is the first pic Julia? Kind of looks like her.
From SAD 2001? Hmm... I hadn't thought about that. There is a resemblance, but I'm not sure. The girl in this pic looks a bit older, I think.

[KneeDeep]

Ok, it caught my eye because Alizée keeps in touch with both girls.

[Moco]

I don't think so. I believe on SAD 2003, Alizée said she was kind of disappointed because she never had any contact with Julia after SAD 2001. But she has had contact with Jessica.

[tern]

Yeah, that's what I've heard too. Very stupid on Julia's part, especially if Alizée wanted to. I can't imagine losing interest in her....

[RMJ]

Yeah, that's what I've heard too. Very stupid on Julia's part, especially if Alizée wanted to. I can't imagine losing interest in her....
Umm... I think if she never tried to get touch with Alizée afterwards was because of her shyness. She seemed to be very shy girl on the video. I don't really think she lost her interest just like that...

[tern]

Yeah, that's what I've heard too. Very stupid on Julia's part, especially if Alizée wanted to. I can't imagine losing interest in her....
Umm... I think if she never tried to get touch with Alizée afterwards was because of her shyness. She seemed to be very shy girl on the video. I don't really think she lost her interest just like that...

I think if you watch the SAD '03 video it may help clear that up for ya. I may be wrong, but I think they address this in that vid.

[RMJ]

I think if you watch the SAD '03 video it may help clear that up for ya. I may be wrong, but I think they address this in that vid.
Oh well, maybe I should turn the subtitles on someday again. :)

I usually watch it without subtitles so I miss some things she says. I rather focus on her beautyful voice than the subtitles. :)

And when I cannot understand what she says I can imagine what I want her to say. :cheesy:

[RMJ]

Not excatly new picture, but edited old (bad quality) scan. I was just testing few things with it and well... Kinda like the result so I thought I'd share it.

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/1317/jpvascan3zz.th.jpg (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jpvascan3zz.jpg)

[KneeDeep]

I don't think so. I believe on SAD 2003, Alizée said she was kind of disappointed because she never had any contact with Julia after SAD 2001. But she has had contact with Jessica.

Hmm, I got the exact opposite from SAD '03.

She is asked if "it was over" and she says no.

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So Alizée, it's the second time
you take part in this game of Stars à Domicile.

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Yes.

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Do you remember the first time?

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Yes.

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Was it a moving experience?

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Yes. Very moving.

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Is it over?

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No

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Well, anyway, this second time,
things just happened marvelously.

At this point the host of SAD sees that Alizée will not go into details. Alizée gives this cute little look like no it's not over but let's move on.

Anyway I was just curious because it was the right time frame (2001) and it looked like Julia. Julia was a bit overwhelmed by the whole thing but I believe she would stay in touch with Alizée.

Nice pic RMJ.

[KneeDeep]

Here is a pic / cap from the exact moment Alizée gives her coy look and says no. Cute face. :)

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/4342/alizee0004ht.th.jpg (http://img399.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alizee0004ht.jpg)

[Bizz]

all 2005 pic

http://www.nidalizee.com/photos/photos%20naturelles/2005/nat2005.htm

[Emmerdale001]

That's incredible. She changed so much in 1 year. I know the changes were drastic, but it really doesn't leave an impression unless you place all the pictures together like that.

[benficabeatsporto]

http://alizeeadoree.skyblog.com/pics/329035419.jpg

[PayBays]

Kneedeep?

You got the Subtitles for Stars A Domicille where she walks on the beach and stuff? :shock:

[Orion]

Kneedeep?

You got the Subtitles for Stars A Domicille where she walks on the beach and stuff? :shock:

I have them, if you want PayBays . . . just PM me (Stars a Domicile 2003-08-23 (TheLarch).rar) I don't knoiw if this is the one you want . . . so, tell me if it is . . .

[KneeDeep]

I don't remember where she walks on the beach in either SAD but here they are.

http://www.alizee-forum.com/ptopic,586772.html#586772

[Orion]

Not excatly new picture, but edited old (bad quality) scan. I was just testing few things with it and well... Kinda like the result so I thought I'd share it.

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/1317/jpvascan3zz.th.jpg (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jpvascan3zz.jpg)

I can appreciate the work that went into it, but I prefer the other one you made for us . . . this oner seems a bit too fake . . . to fuzzy and plasticky . . . sometimes I won't even attempt to do such a pic if I know it will turn out like that . . . although that is not to say that it is easy for everyone to even attempt . . . appreciated . . . just don't like the result . . . why would you think that this one is better than the nother pick is beyond me . . . :shock: the other one was pure heaven . . . this one just seems like a wax figure . . . you know what I mean?!?

[RMJ]

I can appreciate the work that went into it, but I prefer the other one you made for us . . . this oner seems a bit too fake . . . to fuzzy and plasticky . . . sometimes I won't even attempt to do such a pic if I know it will turn out like that . . . although that is not to say that it is easy for everyone to even attempt . . . appreciated . . . just don't like the result . . . why would you think that this one is better than the nother pick is beyond me . . . :shock: the other one was pure heaven . . . this one just seems like a wax figure . . . you know what I mean?!?
Yup... I don't like that kind of images either. :)

But as said before, i was just testing few things... The result is just coincident. :)

I tried to be careful not to lose too many details from the image. As you see, her eyes, eyebrows, eyelashes, lips, and so on still got all the details left. Skin lost details but there wasn't much to lose in the first place. The thing was same with dress.

Hairs on the other hand is pretty much drawn by me (that was one of the test I did :P ). They got very little original details left.

Here's the original scan to see the differences:
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9650/16934934ca.th.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16934934ca.jpg)

[Orion]

I can appreciate the work that went into it, but I prefer the other one you made for us . . . this oner seems a bit too fake . . . to fuzzy and plasticky . . . sometimes I won't even attempt to do such a pic if I know it will turn out like that . . . although that is not to say that it is easy for everyone to even attempt . . . appreciated . . . just don't like the result . . . why would you think that this one is better than the nother pick is beyond me . . . :shock: the other one was pure heaven . . . this one just seems like a wax figure . . . you know what I mean?!?
Yup... I don't like that kind of images either. :)

But as said before, i was just testing few things... The result is just coincident. :)

I tried to be careful not to lose too many details from the image. As you see, her eyes, eyebrows, eyelashes, lips, and so on still got all the details left. Skin lost details but there wasn't much to lose in the first place. The thing was same with dress.

Hairs on the other hand is pretty much drawn by me (that was one of the test I did :P ). They got very little original details left.

Here's the original scan to see the differences:
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9650/16934934ca.th.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16934934ca.jpg)

I am going to try and work on it a bit . . . I see the angular lines and they are a head ache . . . but I like pics like this because it gives practice . . . and you can only get better . . . . mieh . . . we'll see

[ArlettyFan]

http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/7020/photo83117807tm.gif

[Orion]

I can appreciate the work that went into it, but I prefer the other one you made for us . . . this oner seems a bit too fake . . . to fuzzy and plasticky . . . sometimes I won't even attempt to do such a pic if I know it will turn out like that . . . although that is not to say that it is easy for everyone to even attempt . . . appreciated . . . just don't like the result . . . why would you think that this one is better than the nother pick is beyond me . . . :shock: the other one was pure heaven . . . this one just seems like a wax figure . . . you know what I mean?!?
Yup... I don't like that kind of images either. :)

But as said before, i was just testing few things... The result is just coincident. :)

I tried to be careful not to lose too many details from the image. As you see, her eyes, eyebrows, eyelashes, lips, and so on still got all the details left. Skin lost details but there wasn't much to lose in the first place. The thing was same with dress.

Hairs on the other hand is pretty much drawn by me (that was one of the test I did :P ). They got very little original details left.

Here's the original scan to see the differences:
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9650/16934934ca.th.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16934934ca.jpg)

I am going to try and work on it a bit . . . I see the angular lines and they are a head ache . . . but I like pics like this because it gives practice . . . and you can only get better . . . . mieh . . . we'll see


http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/9287/lili10fn.th.jpg (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lili10fn.jpg)http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/2614/lili21nm.th.jpg (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lili21nm.jpg)

They can get much better than this, but I am waiting for Photoshop CS2 :cheesy: Right now, the more work is done on them, the more plasticky they will get . . . even now it is starting to look a bit cartoonish when you zoom in on it . . . I think I will stick to RMJs earlier pic that he made from the video (that was heavenly . . . but I recall that I have an HQ pic like that somewhere . . . :? with large aspect ratio

[RMJ]

They can get much better than this, but I am waiting for Photoshop CS2
it can get better. But it doesn't matter what software is in use. Only thing that matters is how you use it.

In your images, it's quite obvious that you just throwed in some filters and that's the result. Very little manual work done. :)



but I recall that I have an HQ pic like that somewhere . . . :? with large aspect ratio
What do you mean large aspect ratio ?

Do you mean this photo serie?
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/76/20030703tourdefrancebenhamouse1.th.jpg (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20030703tourdefrancebenhamouse1.jpg)

[maxt23]

That picture is just perfect, no need to touch it.

[Orion]

They can get much better than this, but I am waiting for Photoshop CS2
it can get better. But it doesn't matter what software is in use. Only thing that matters is how you use it.

In your images, it's quite obvious that you just throwed in some filters and that's the result. Very little manual work done. :)



but I recall that I have an HQ pic like that somewhere . . . :? with large aspect ratio
What do you mean large aspect ratio ?

Do you mean this photo serie?
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/76/20030703tourdefrancebenhamouse1.th.jpg (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20030703tourdefrancebenhamouse1.jpg)

All it needed were a few filters because when you do too much work, it becomes like a wax figure (as in your retouching - even my attempt still brought back dull results) . . . and actually it matters a great deal what software you use becasue some programs have more advanced filters/filters/engines that make a great difference . . . (but this photo, I wouldn't use on my best program for retouching, nor on one with the least features . . . I would'nt waste any manual work time on that pic . . .

. . . I would have found a clone for her hair from another photo; same for her skin etc . . . but some photos are not worth the extra work, as in this example, since it is very poor quality and there are similar pics (as in the High res you posted). That's my opinion on the matter and it won't change . . . because I am right, you will agree . . . . :wink:

P.S. No . . . I don't want to discuss this any further :lol:

EDIT>>> here are examples of more powerful filters v. other software that have weaker filters . . . sometimes it isn't the filter itself that is the question, but HOW each filter plugin operates . . . as said, certain programs/software have different filters etc., and it matters a great deal what software you use becasue, though some filters are called the same (ie. noise filter), some programs use filters with more power . . . when you select the best filters, then you can worry about "how you use it."
but . . . mieh . . . whatever blows your hair back . . . I guess :cheesy:

http://www.powerretouche.com/Noise-filter_plugin_introduction.htm
http://www.powerretouche.com/photo_restoration.htm

[RMJ]

All it needed were a few filters because when you do too much work, it becomes like a wax figure (as in your retouching - even my attempt still brought back dull results) . . .
It wasn't because of too much retouch but because of different goal. You choose to way to loose all the details and make it look like wet paint. I choose to keep some small details and make it look more clean. It wasn't accidental look caused by too many filters. Each filter and brush was used only on the areas where I wanted them (that's how I kept the small deteails while I smoothened the big areas).



and actually it matters a great deal what software you use becasue some programs have more advanced filters/filters/engines that make a great difference . . .
Actually it matters very little what software is used. Practically all the image editors has manual arithmetic filters and custom brushes if you need some effect to be done.

To me, image editing isn't just applying filters to image. Anyone can do that and it has no personal touch on it.



I would'nt waste any manual work time on that pic . . .

That's the difference between me and most of the people. I'm willing to put time on every image I ever open. Especially if it's about Lili. No matter how bad the source is.



. . . I would have found a clone for her hair from another photo; same for her skin etc . . .
Of course, but that wasn't the goal. Goal was to play with the old bad quality scan. If I had wanted to get it look real good I would have put some more time to it and remake the textures (and not to draw new hairs for her but fixed the errors in real ones). 10 more minutes and it would have looked like this:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4874/rmjalizeepjva24ay.th.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmjalizeepjva24ay.jpg)

10 more minutes and who knows what it would be...



but some photos are not worth the extra work, as in this example, since it is very poor quality and there are similar pics (as in the High res you posted).
Similar pictures, but not the same ones. That's huge difference. Every picture is unique. Every picture is worth to work on if you are on the mood. It's irrelevant how bad the source is or if there is similar looking but better quality sources.



P.S. No . . . I don't want to discuss this any further :lol:
You know I can't stop if someone questions my methods. :wink:





EDIT>>> here are examples of more powerful filters v. other software that have weaker filters . . . sometimes it isn't the filter itself that is the question, but HOW each filter plugin operates . . . as said, certain programs/software have different filters etc., and it matters a great deal what software you use becasue, though some filters are called the same (ie. noise filter), some programs use filters with more power . . . when you select the best filters, then you can worry about "how you use it."
but . . . mieh . . . whatever blows your hair back . . . I guess :cheesy:
That excatly kills the fun in whole editing. If you don't put your personal touch in it you might aswell not to do it at all. Anyone could throw couple filters on it and save it. What would be use of sharing it then ?

Would you share a video if only thing you did was to drop some clips to program that automaticly edits them and filters them and outputs something you have no control ? It surely wouldn't be personal like your videos now are.

[Orion]

You just can't keep painting the image like that, if you care about quality . . . The more you are touching it, the more it looks waxy/fake color . . . don't tell me you can't see that in your picture revision?? :shock:

Doing what you are doing is one thing, but fixing a picture is another . . . you are mixing 2 different aspects of picture enhancement/retouching:

Here, I have uploaded links for all the pics . . . the ones I worked on only took me 10 mins, and they don't look weird. You are overdoing it :P

Sorry, but my files have been formated diferently and I can't use imageshack, so I have uploaded teh pics through yousendit ( :roll: )

Original: http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/4139/original4dq.th.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/my.php?image=original4dq.jpg)

RMJ: http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5849/rmjversion0qw.th.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmjversion0qw.jpg)

Orion revision part 1:
http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=21EMYC2U6WEO80NRYRKNQSN3K5

Orion revision part 2:
http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0FJUFGPPLZEC83P56J578T0LSE

remember that the goal is to clean the noise . . . you are repainting the whole pic until it looks like a wax figure . . . I understand about it being for practice and because it is fun (I agree), but that's one thing . . . this is another :tongue:

I will respond to your post after I get some sleep . . . there are some very disturbing things you said :P . . . . . . . . . . . . . :wink:

take care . . . and happy posting . . . I'm off to :zzz:

[PayBays]

Stupid me,i was with my head in the clouds.

it was:

Le Grand Soir with her little brother

[RMJ]

You just can't keep painting the image like that, if you care about quality . . . The more you are touching it, the more it looks waxy/fake color . . . don't tell me you can't see that in your picture revision?? :shock:
Of course I'm seeing it. I'm not even try to hide it. It's not the goal.

Like you did. You didn't hide the wetty paint look in your image. It wasn't restauring picture but making it look nice to without caring about loosing the details.



Doing what you are doing is one thing, but fixing a picture is another . . . you are mixing 2 different aspects of picture enhancement/retouching:

I have not once in this conversation mention restauring picture. So how can I mix it with editing it ?



Here, I have uploaded links for all the pics . . . the ones I worked on only took me 10 mins, and they don't look weird. You are overdoing it :P
No, I'm not over doing it. I did not try to save the original look. Why would I have painted 100% new hair for her if I wanted it to look like original ?

And no, yours doesn't look original either. It looks more like wet painting than photograph. Beside, the detail loss is way too big to qualify the image as restaured picture.



remember that the goal is to clean the noise . . . you are repainting the whole pic until it looks like a wax figure . . . I understand about it being for practice and because it is fun (I agree), but that's one thing . . . this is another :tongue:
No. There was no noise to clean. I actually added some noise because it had too few of it.

The goal was just to edit the picture. The goal was to make it whole new picture. The goal was not restauring the picture.

Again, why would I have painted hairs from scratch if I had been restauring the picture ? That wouldn't make any sense. Look at them, they are 100% paint brush. No original hairs left. Only the space it fills is about the same (except on left side where I changed the look of it quite a lot).


To prove once again the point, here's picture that IS restaured. This isn't supposed to be artistic. It's purpose is to save as much details and still get rid off the artifacts of scanned magazine.
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/5391/rmjalizeepjva37kc.th.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmjalizeepjva37kc.jpg)

The goal was different, the result was different. That's how it works.

I have no feeling in the last image. It's just filtered image, with 2 mins of work. It's nice as is but it doesn't come from my heart. The original picture that I posted here is the one that comes from heart. It's the one I have put my feelings on.



Btw.... Using CMYK color space (the one you used in your pictures) in pictures showed on the net isn't good idea. Some programs can't even show them right (and some even refuses to open them). It's better to use normal RGB color space. People will see them wrong most likely. And because they don't know that they looks wrong they assume it's what it is supposed to look like (and that's very different from what it really is supposed to look like).

[Orion]

I think I missed the part where you said that you wanted to paint and lose the detail in the pic . . . it would ahve saved me some time in discussing this . . . . . My bad, I guess

But here is the response to your previous post . . .


It wasn't because of too much retouch but because of different goal. You choose to way to loose all the details and make it look like wet paint. I choose to keep some small details and make it look more clean. It wasn't accidental look caused by too many filters. Each filter and brush was used only on the areas where I wanted them (that's how I kept the small deteails while I smoothened the big areas).
If you speak of losing detail, then you should look at the hair and face of your picture. You are doing a great job, but you are losing too much detail in that it looks more painted than just noise filtered. Depending on the picture, it should always be kept as close to the original as possible; once you start using too many brush strokes, it begins to lose all detail in skin hair etc . . .you can put the detail back into the hair, skin and other areas . . . I just don’t like that painted look, as it stands now . . . but you could probably get better results if you stick with it. But I wouldn’t waste all this time on such a bad pic because there is already a better version out there (this is from a magazine, right?)


Actually it matters very little what software is used. Practically all the image editors has manual arithmetic filters and custom brushes if you need some effect to be done.
To me, image editing isn't just applying filters to image. Anyone can do that and it has no personal touch on it.
We are not talking about image editing here, this is called retouching . . . that’s what we’ve been talking about specifically. It’s no secret that many programs have many filters . . . once again, there are filters that are more powerful and protect things like skin tone/detail while removing noise . . . when cleaning a picture (if you were to have used such filters, it would have given you the results you have been looking for), it is not about personal touch, it is about doing the best job possible to make a picture better than the original quality. When you edtit a picture, then you become the artists and let your imagination run with it.

That's the difference between me and most of the people. I'm willing to put time on every image I ever open. Especially if it's about Lili. No matter how bad the source is.
Once again you are missing the point . . . I also put time on every image I work on. ON this pic once it starts to take on too many brush strokes and you begin to lose detail, then that’s a sign to stop . . . unless you like the results. You have lost shading and other fine detail . . . the face feels like it is one slab of paint, and the hair seems like it is melting on this wax figure. Did you start with the filters before you arrived at this point?


Of course, but that wasn't the goal. Goal was to play with the old bad quality scan. If I had wanted to get it look real good I would have put some more time to it and remake the textures (and not to draw new hairs for her but fixed the errors in real ones). 10 more minutes and it would have looked like this:


10 more minutes and who knows what it would be...
But you didn’t fix the errors in real ones, you just replaced errors (from small detail to no detail) The dress seems out of place at the point where it meets her face. Look at that section on the original and you will see that it is much better than yours . . .


Similar pictures, but not the same ones. That's huge difference. Every picture is unique. Every picture is worth to work on if you are on the mood. It's irrelevant how bad the source is or if there is similar looking but better quality sources.
Yup, just that it should be kept as close to the original as possible or it begins to lose detail and look like it has been brushed up . . . retouching remember not editing;)

You know I can't stop if someone questions my methods.
Haha, nah I am just really talking about how the pic looks . . . don’t worry bro, I use the same methods . . . I guess we all do to a certain extent . . . we just look at pictures differently, I guess . . .



That excatly kills the fun in whole editing. If you don't put your personal touch in it you might aswell not to do it at all. Anyone could throw couple filters on it and save it. What would be use of sharing it then ?

Would you share a video if only thing you did was to drop some clips to program that automaticly edits them and filters them and outputs something you have no control ? It surely wouldn't be personal like your videos now are.

You are not editing . . . you are cleaning and retouching (that’s specific). In this case, your personal touch is the amount of detail loss you want to add . . . really, how the end result differs from the original, as far as cleaning it goes . . . But, editing wanting to add personal touch is an understatement. Here it is not so much about personal touch , it is about cleaning the picture as best as possible . . . not the same personal touch as in editing video and pictures, though . . . Those videos have my own personal touch . . . but the pics I uploaded have nothing to do with personal touch, but with personal retouching, I guess you could say . . .
Still, though, I respect your work very much because I know how hard it is and how much you enjoy it . . . I am even certain that if you take more time on it, it can only get better . . . but then I wouldn’t have anything to say . . . so stop . . . ok? ;)


(but knowing what you just told me in your last post . . . all I can say that all I have said is irrelevant, since you are doing something different . . . but why lose hair detail and stuff . . . ok, you are NOT restoring a pic . . . I get it now . . . give me a few tries and I will understand :lol:

btw, here is the retouch I made from the original:

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/9675/retouchoriginal8mw.th.jpg (http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=retouchoriginal8mw.jpg)

[tern]

I thought the only thing wrong with RMJ's original one was that her hair looked so one-colored. I decided to run the original picture through two despeckles in photoshop and then patch that onto her hair from RMJ's version. It's a quick job but I think it improves it. Obviously more work can be done around the edges, but it's a start.

http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/rmjversion0qw.jpg

[RMJ]

If you speak of losing detail, then you should look at the hair and face of your picture. You are doing a great job, but you are losing too much detail in that it looks more painted than just noise filtered.
It looks painted and not noise filtered because it's painted and not noise filtered.

I did not lose any detail in the hairs. There was nothing to lose as it's drawn from scratch.

I lost minimal amount of details in face, basically only on the edge of hair and face. The skin still has it's texture even tho it's sligtly smoothened. Eyebrows, eyeslashes, eyes, nose, lips, teeth have all the details saved. Where do you see the great loss of details ?

Only part where I didn't care lost of detail was her dress. It's only part filtered with median filter. Everything else is done piece by piece with brushes. Skin has slight texture visible (the original image didn't have any better as it was so full of artifacts). You can even see details in her nails (she haven't cut her nails in couple weeks...).



Depending on the picture, it should always be kept as close to the original as possible;
Wrong. Only your goal matters. Not the source.



once you start using too many brush strokes, it begins to lose all detail in skin hair etc . . .you can put the detail back into the hair, skin and other areas . . . I just don’t like that painted look, as it stands now . . . but you could probably get better results if you stick with it.
It's hard to make everyone like your pictures. Especially if you aren't making them for others but yourself.



But I wouldn’t waste all this time on such a bad pic because there is already a better version out there (this is from a magazine, right?)

There's no such thing as wasted time on image editing. If you love it then it's all valuably used time.

Where's the btter version ?

And if there is, what does it matter ? I'm quite satisfied what came out of this. Especially as the point was trying to make nice image out of crappy scan.



We are not talking about image editing here, this is called retouching . . .

Same things. Editing, altering, retouching... all the same. All means working on image.



once again, there are filters that are more powerful and protect things like skin tone/detail while removing noise . . . when cleaning a picture (if you were to have used such filters, it would have given you the results you have been looking for), it is not about personal touch, it is about doing the best job possible to make a picture better than the original quality. When you edtit a picture, then you become the artists and let your imagination run with it.
It's not about making it better than original quality. It's about making it look like you want it to look like. In some cases it's worse than the original. All depends you and what you want it to look like. It's all about personal touch.



Once again you are missing the point . . . I also put time on every image I work on. ON this pic once it starts to take on too many brush strokes and you begin to lose detail, then that’s a sign to stop . . . unless you like the results. You have lost shading and other fine detail . . . the face feels like it is one slab of paint, and the hair seems like it is melting on this wax figure. Did you start with the filters before you arrived at this point?
I'm not missing any point here. My goal wasn't keep the orignal look. I did not lose any detail that I didn't want to lose. And what comes to face, even the original version of mine has more details than your latest version. Open them into image editor next to each other. As said, it still has even skin texture visible, as well as the smallest fine details that was wanted to save (eyes, mouth, nose...). It was smoothed sligtly but it still has very well pronounced details.



But you didn’t fix the errors in real ones, you just replaced errors (from small detail to no detail) The dress seems out of place at the point where it meets her face. Look at that section on the original and you will see that it is much better than yours . . .
As said, 10 minutes work. That includes finding the HQ picture, resizing it to about right size, cutting the dress out, masking it to old scan, deforming the dress, drawing some shades, cloning some new parts, color correcting, gamma correcting... If you can do better job in 10 minutes then I'm willing to see it.

But it's not perfect at all. I never said it was. I can see dozens of errors on it with one look. Like the lack of shade under her chin (the one you noticed), unequal shades, bad edges, edges from original HQ image, lack of shades under arms (I only added shades under fingers), lack of shade under bracelet, deformed pocket, cloning errors, the edge of hairs and dress, list goes on... But I never did those because the purpose wasn't make this image at all. It was just something to show to you as you were talking about loaning textures from other images. I took it even further with qutie nice result (considering time used).




You are not editing . . . you are cleaning and retouching (that’s specific).

Editing. Altering. Retouching. All the same.



In this case, your personal touch is the amount of detail loss you want to add . . . really, how the end result differs from the original, as far as cleaning it goes . . . But, editing wanting to add personal touch is an understatement. Here it is not so much about personal touch , it is about cleaning the picture as best as possible . . . not the same personal touch as in editing video and pictures, though . . . Those videos have my own personal touch . . . but the pics I uploaded have nothing to do with personal touch, but with personal retouching, I guess you could say . . .
Then you don't understand image editing as I do. I put my heart in it. What ever I do (for me). It's always personal for me. It's not some automated process where I tell editor to throw in some filters and that's it... No, every action is thought and wanted.

If I want to do quality improving without feeling then it's couple minutes process like in the last example showed in this conversation. 2 minutes and it outstands (no offense...) any other image showed during this conversation when it becomes to clarity and amount of details. It has some grain (like in dress) but it doesn't matter if details is what is wanted. I could have get rid of them but it wouldn't matter as there's no real details hidden behind them (the texture of dress, for example, is lost already when scanned from magazine. It's not recovarable what ever you do. Only choice would be to create texture from scratch, but it's not real then... ).

[RMJ]

I thought the only thing wrong with RMJ's original one was that her hair looked so one-colored. I decided to run the original picture through two despeckles in photoshop and then patch that onto her hair from RMJ's version. It's a quick job but I think it improves it. Obviously more work can be done around the edges, but it's a start.

http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/rmjversion0qw.jpg
Yes, fixing the original hairs would have been easy task. As you see in my last image.

It just wasn't the point. I wanted to draw the hairs. It was part the test I told in original post. Recreating hairs from scratches... without cloning or anything. Just plain drawing.

Btw, change the credits in your image as it's not fully mine edit. :wink:
I don't want people to get wrong idea that it's mine (not that I'd be offended... I't nice edit from you, too. But it just isn't mine anymore...).


(and sorry for double post... But I think everyone understands reason why this doesn't belong to post above. :) )

[Orion]

@ RMJ:


It looks painted and not noise filtered because it's painted and not noise filtered.
I did not lose any detail in the hairs. There was nothing to lose as it's drawn from scratch.

And when you paint, you lose detail . . . look at the hair, it has not detail from the original it looks pasty/nebulous . . . and the false colors in the face and dress really take away from the picture as a coherent whole. The original had detail in hair . . . and that is aside from the noise that was covering it . . .as I said there are filters out there that protect the skin while deleting the noise . . . after you do that, then you can look at the pic and decide how to best edit it, instead of losing all the detail. But that’s just my preference . . . and like I said before, I respect what you are doing, I just don’t like the look



Wrong. Only your goal matters. Not the source.
You started with a pic that was full of noise . . . if the pic was HQ, then there would be no need for you to draw the hair and change the facial textures etc . . . since the pic HAD noise, you decided to draw over the original detail . . . and I am saying that a powerful filter backed by a great engine could have taken care of the noise, while leaving the skin tone/detail . . . the source is your inspiration . . . but in this case there is no goal other than to change the noise . . . you are redrawing “hair” by deleting, detailed hair (ie. Strands/natural).


It's hard to make everyone like your pictures. Especially if you aren't making them for others but yourself.
Haha, VERY true . . . but it isn’t your picture. . . it’s a cutout froma mag or something and you are cleaning it . . . you are not editing it . . . there are different types of editing and you are putting everything in one pot when all you are doing is one thing . . . cleaning an original pic . . . If you want to see picture editing, then look into Tim Bret-Day (fashion photog and photoshop CS2 pro) and you will see editing a picture . . . you are retouching . . . (specificly),


There's no such thing as wasted time on image editing. If you love it then it's all valuably used time.

Where's the btter version ?

And if there is, what does it matter ? I'm quite satisfied what came out of this. Especially as the point was trying to make nice image out of crappy scan.
Of course I love it, but retouching can only go so far, whereas editing a picture (making a single picture out of many layers etc.) can go as far as ypou would like and that’s the real fun part, imo, not retouching, since it only goes so far (it is still funYES, but different)





Same things. Editing, altering, retouching... all the same. All means working on image.
Like I said above, you are specifically retouching a photo since you are cleaning it, your altering has come by way of deleting detail, which is a no no. But I believe you are good enough to add that detail ;)


It's not about making it better than original quality. It's about making it look like you want it to look like. In some cases it's worse than the original. All depends you and what you want it to look like. It's all about personal touch.
Yes, it is about personal touch, and if you like to delete detail from hair, for example, then I guess that’s your personal touch and no one can fault you for that . . . it’s what you see as artistic . . . and that’s good. But “artistic”, in this sense is kind of confusing since there is a HQ pic you posted and you’re artistry is retouching a “noisy” picture, when there is a beautiful version already in existence . . . but I guess it is good for practice, and there I am with you 100%


I'm not missing any point here. My goal wasn't keep the orignal look. I did not lose any detail that I didn't want to lose. And what comes to face, even the original version of mine has more details than your latest version. Open them into image editor next to each other. As said, it still has even skin texture visible, as well as the smallest fine details that was wanted to save (eyes, mouth, nose...). It was smoothed sligtly but it still has very well pronounced details.
My version was to show the edges of where you can take it . . . any more and (without the more powerful filters) you would lose a great bunch of detail . . . but if you say that you “did not lose any detail that” you “didn’t want to lose,” then I can’t say anymore on the matter except to say good work :razz:


As said, 10 minutes work. That includes finding the HQ picture, resizing it to about right size, cutting the dress out, masking it to old scan, deforming the dress, drawing some shades, cloning some new parts, color correcting, gamma correcting... If you can do better job in 10 minutes then I'm willing to see it.

But it's not perfect at all. I never said it was. I can see dozens of errors on it with one look. Like the lack of shade under her chin (the one you noticed), unequal shades, bad edges, edges from original HQ image, lack of shades under arms (I only added shades under fingers), lack of shade under bracelet, deformed pocket, cloning errors, the edge of hairs and dress, list goes on... But I never did those because the purpose wasn't make this image at all. It was just something to show to you as you were talking about loaning textures from other images. I took it even further with qutie nice result (considering time used).

Yeah you did a great job . . . but this was about your picture you started retouching (see above^)



Then you don't understand image editing as I do. I put my heart in it. What ever I do (for me). It's always personal for me. It's not some automated process where I tell editor to throw in some filters and that's it... No, every action is thought and wanted.

If I want to do quality improving without feeling then it's couple minutes process like in the last example showed in this conversation. 2 minutes and it outstands (no offense...) any other image showed during this conversation when it becomes to clarity and amount of details. It has some grain (like in dress) but it doesn't matter if details is what is wanted. I could have get rid of them but it wouldn't matter as there's no real details hidden behind them (the texture of dress, for example, is lost already when scanned from magazine. It's not recovarable what ever you do. Only choice would be to create texture from scratch, but it's not real then... ).

No one is talking about your heart here . . . just the picture . . .so let’s leave it at that because I don’t want you to get the wrong impression here . . . we are just discussing as we did with my videos and other pics etc . . . But I have said all along that you are very good at what you do and I know that you can take a bad pic and make it better . . heck you are an asset to this forum because we can bounce suggestions off one another, and it is good to know that you are part of this forum (in other words, our team is better)

We are just talking about a picture, but as you said, it is from your heart too, so can get a bit defensive . . . but not with me though . . . we do this all the time (discuss) . . . others should take pointers . . . not all, just those that need them (ie. "oh yeah . . . . well you couldn't edit a pic with a magic wand) fight fight fight"

[Excellence knows no age]

rofl :lol:

RMJ vs. Orion

This is what I call an open discussion!
I hope that no-one gets upset!

- - -
P.S. Orion: I like you personal style in which you write your thoughts and feelings down!

[RMJ]

And when you paint, you lose detail . . .

No. You got it all backwards...

When you paint you create details. If you got blank canvas it's blank until you paint some details on it. There's no way to lose details if you paint on blank canvas. There is nothing to lose because it's blank.



look at the hair, it has not detail from the original it looks pasty/nebulous . .

Yes, it doesn't look like original. And it wasn't supposed to look like original. It's drawn from scratches. It has nothing in common with the original hairs. It wasn't ment to have anything common with the orignal hairs.



. and the false colors in the face and dress really take away from the picture as a coherent whole.
The colors are same as in the original scan. I did not do color correction nor contrast correction to it. Colors aren't corrected in your image either, so I don't see why that would be a problem.



The original had detail in hair . . . and that is aside from the noise that was covering it . . .as I said there are filters out there that protect the skin while deleting the noise . . . after you do that, then you can look at the pic and decide how to best edit it, instead of losing all the detail. But that’s just my preference . . . and like I said before, I respect what you are doing, I just don’t like the look
As said many times before... I did not try to keep the details in the hair. I re-drawn them. 100% re-drawn.

And secondly, as said many times before, I do care if there is filter that can save the details when I'm doing art. I save the details that is needed to save and make others disappear. I don't give that to filters to decide. I do the decision what is left and what is not. It's not everyone to like. I do art for myself. I know that not everyone will like it and that's ok to me. I don't have no mission to make them like my art. They either do like it or not. It's not my decision.



You started with a pic that was full of noise . . . if the pic was HQ, then there would be no need for you to draw the hair and change the facial textures etc . . . since the pic HAD noise, you decided to draw over the original detail . . . and I am saying that a powerful filter backed by a great engine could have taken care of the noise, while leaving the skin tone/detail . . . the source is your inspiration . . . but in this case there is no goal other than to change the noise . . . you are redrawing “hair” by deleting, detailed hair (ie. Strands/natural).

I don't know how I could make you understand that it wasn't my plan to try to leave all the details... There is no filter that could have done the job that I had in my mind. It's not something that filter can do. No matter how powerful it is. I did not try to get rid of noise. It wasn't the purpose.

No other goal than deleting noise ? What kind of art that would be ? It would be image restoration. Not art. And art was what I did not image restoration.

As I gave you example, I could have done that image restoration in 2 minutes. But that I did not want to do. I wanted to do something original. Not boring image restoration that doesn't need any artistic view.




Haha, VERY true . . . but it isn’t your picture. . . it’s a cutout froma mag or something and you are cleaning it . . . you are not editing it . . . there are different types of editing and you are putting everything in one pot when all you are doing is one thing . . . cleaning an original pic . . . If you want to see picture editing, then look into Tim Bret-Day (fashion photog and photoshop CS2 pro) and you will see editing a picture . . . you are retouching . . . (specificly),

As I have done 19 (or so) years computer graphics in form or an other, I'm quite sure I know what is editing and what is not. Whatever you want to call it, it's editing to me. When you open image and start editing it it's editing. No matter what excatly you do to it.

And no, I was not cleaning the original picture. If I had wanted to clean it I would have taken that 2 minutes that was needed to do it. But I did not do that. I went my way.




Like I said above, you are specifically retouching a photo since you are cleaning it, your altering has come by way of deleting detail, which is a no no. But I believe you are good enough to add that detail ;)

As said many times before. I was not cleaning the picture. I was not trying to save unnecessary details. I was not trying to restoring the old image.

And still, you haven't showed me where is those lost details you are talking about ? The skin has the texture, the face has the details. Where is the great loss you are talking about ? (Exluding the hairs as it's covered 10 times before. THere was nothing to save as I re-draw them. You can't save details if there isn't any and blank canvas does not have any details.)

Ok, the dress ? Yeah, I lost few details in it. But was they needed ? Especially when they were more likely artifacts than real details. So where's the great loss ?



Yes, it is about personal touch, and if you like to delete detail from hair, for example, then I guess that’s your personal touch and no one can fault you for that . . .
No, I did not want to lose the details from the hairs. I wanted to re-draw them all together. I deleted the old hairs and draw new ones. It was totally irrelevant if the old hairs had details or not. I wasn't interested of them.




it’s what you see as artistic . . . and that’s good. But “artistic”, in this sense is kind of confusing since there is a HQ pic you posted and you’re artistry is retouching a “noisy” picture, when there is a beautiful version already in existence . . . but I guess it is good for practice, and there I am with you 100%
That HQ picture isn't the same. It is taken from same performance at almost same time at almost same angle at almost same distance. But it's not the same. The angle is different, the face is different, the position of head is different, the expression is different... It's totally different image.




My version was to show the edges of where you can take it . . . any more and (without the more powerful filters) you would lose a great bunch of detail . . .
Your image lost more detail than my original (except on hairs but that I have cover 10 times... ). I can do comparation image if you don't see it yourself. So you went way too far, too, especially as your purpose was to show what not to do and you fall in same hole yourself.



No one is talking about your heart here . . . just the picture . . .
The picture is part of my heart. To you it might look like another picture but to me it is part of my deepest feelings. When ever I create any art I include part of myself into it. You might not see it but I see it. When I see the image I feel complete. I feel what I felt when I created it. All the memories, all the mental images flashing, the music I was playing during the editing...




Excellence knows no age
We have long history of arguing these things... If he doesn't get hurt I don't get hurt either. Nothing here is ment to be offensive. Altho, I admit sometimes it might sound like it but it's just the passion that makes it look arrogant.

We kinda understand each others feeling on these things but still the very deepest of them cannot be understood and those are the ones that makes us to argue all over again... It's basically pointless arguing as we neither of us can win. Neitehr of us can understand the deepest feelings of each others mind and heart. It's place where noone but the person itself can fully understand the true feelings... But we can try to understand it... We can try to get some sort of view of those feelings. It's often wrong or deformed view of them but it's still something. It's better than nothing...

[staos]

w000t... my first time coloring a black and white image.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/149/1sttry2nc.png (http://imageshack.us)

Just edit out the text with mspaint if you don't think im awesome.

[quentin lee]

lol staos... that is good. it looks pretty good =)

[Orion]

(EDIT: @ RMJ)


No. You got it all backwards...

When you paint you create details. If you got blank canvas it's blank until you paint some details on it. There's no way to lose details if you paint on blank canvas. There is nothing to lose because it's blank.
With all do respect, RMJ . . . you are creating arguments now bro; you did not start with a blank canvass, you started with hair . . . and then you made blank (?). . . which goes to show that we have not been talking about a blank canvass painting/drawing from scratch, we have been talking about a pic; hence, all the talk about filters etc . . . NOT blank canvas. Of course, you create “detail” (?) when starting from a blank canvas, but you didn’t start from a blank canvas. Not talking about your abilities, you don’t have to tell me twice about your abilities (I have actually praised them  ). I understand, though, what you are saying . . .


Yes, it (the hair) doesn't look like original. And it wasn't supposed to look like original. It's drawn from scratches. It has nothing in common with the original hairs. It wasn't ment to have anything common with the orignal hairs.
Well, it looks like it does have things in common to the original hairs . . . you are trying to redraw the hair as close to the original as possible. The only reason your hair doesn’t look like the original is because it is not . . . it is “scratches.” And I am simply stating that imo, the real hair, with less noise (after filtering) looks better. In the case of this pic, the original is best with less noise possible, and your drawing of the hair with “no noise” actually gives it an “out of focus” type noise, so to speak . . . visually you are substituting one form of “noise” for another . . . and that’s what it looks to the eye. Now, the idea behind your work is totally different, that is another story, and one in which I cannot find any “faults.” Why? Because you are drawing, and not attempting to simply delete noise . . . you are deleting everything with the noise and doing a great job of drawing in what has been lost, simply put. (You are attempting to do what graphic artists/cinematographers etc, do for movies as in LOTR and Star Wars), just that you are doing it realistically based on a person, and not a imaginary city etc. - (extreme example, I know, yours is a bit more down to earth . . . trying to make her as realistic as possible . . . but they do the same thing for the created cities etc in movies > try to make them as realistic as possible


The colors are same as in the original scan. I did not do color correction nor contrast correction to it. Colors aren't corrected in your image either, so I don't see why that would be a problem.
Yes, colors are the same, but they have a different mask, as if they have been passed through color correction . . . ie, the dress . . . like you said, no shading, where the face and dress meet . . . it looks like the dress has been cut and pasted from another pic . . . that’s the effect the colors have on the picture as a whole . . . nothing against your abilities, though ;) . . . I might have been more clear . . .


As said many times before... I did not try to keep the details in the hair. I re-drawn them. 100% re-drawn.

And secondly, as said many times before, I do care if there is filter that can save the details when I'm doing art. I save the details that is needed to save and make others disappear. I don't give that to filters to decide. I do the decision what is left and what is not. It's not everyone to like. I do art for myself. I know that not everyone will like it and that's ok to me. I don't have no mission to make them like my art. They either do like it or not. It's not my decision.

Yes, I know you redrew them. About filters, if the detail is there in the original person’s hair , face, clothes etc, then all details are needed, not some to be deleted and some to keep: the only thing you want to lose is noise, not ANY detail specific the subject (but, maybe I misunderstand you and we talk about different things . . .) And art is one thing, but since you are mixing a real pic with your “art,” what you do with the pic is open to discussion (as now, and before, concerning detail loss, because when you create art, original detail isn’t in play as much as it is when you retouch a face, or piece of clothing, in an artistic style, and it makes a face (for example) miss out on the beauty it had originally . . . but to draw the hair, for example and face is a sign of artistic ability (which you have) and that can never be brought into question because then I would kick their ass :cheesy:


I don't know how I could make you understand that it wasn't my plan to try to leave all the details... There is no filter that could have done the job that I had in my mind. It's not something that filter can do. No matter how powerful it is. I did not try to get rid of noise. It wasn't the purpose.

No other goal than deleting noise ? What kind of art that would be ? It would be image restoration. Not art. And art was what I did not image restoration.

As I gave you example, I could have done that image restoration in 2 minutes. But that I did not want to do. I wanted to do something original. Not boring image restoration that doesn't need any artistic view.

Understand your intentions and I covered the art aspect of your work. But, did you delete the hair then draw new one or did you smudge with a tool and then try to give hair some detail via fine lines etc . . . just curious because, either way, you know what you are doing and besides liking it, I find it interesting . . . (I just imagine art to be spontaneous and not simply trying to redraw what was already there, (to paint a scenery and to redraw hair and other detail -although very complex and difficult- is not the same thing, as far as art goes, because one involves artistic impressionism, while the other is more close to simple mimicry (as in redrawing the hair) . . . still art though, so . . .neutrality, neutrality


When you open image and start editing it it's editing. No matter what excatly you do to it.

But here, we were talking about specific editing . . . or . . . we both were




As said many times before. I was not cleaning the picture. I was not trying to save unnecessary details. I was not trying to restoring the old image.

And still, you haven't showed me where is those lost details you are talking about ? The skin has the texture, the face has the details. Where is the great loss you are talking about ? (Exluding the hairs as it's covered 10 times before. THere was nothing to save as I re-draw them. You can't save details if there isn't any and blank canvas does not have any details.)

Ok, the dress ? Yeah, I lost few details in it. But was they needed ? Especially when they were more likely artifacts than real details. So where's the great loss ?
. . . I think we covered enough of this, but . . . yes, I understand that you were not cleaning the picture , just changing it from the original because it had lots of noise (???) . . . I am just trying to understand why not do the same type work on the HQ pic since it has no noise ( I could understand why, bnut since this stuff interewsts me, I want to understand your mindset)? I ask this to try to understand your intentions for using THIS pic, AND if you would want to do the same thing with the HQ pic you posted for me (sadly, I had that one already). Maybe if you answer this, then I can come to fully understand . . . not important though, just wondering. You see, if you say you chose this pic because it had noise, whereas the HQ pic didn’t, then filters and noise come in to play, as well as detail . . . what I have been mentioning

No, I did not want to lose the details from the hairs. I wanted to re-draw them all together. I deleted the old hairs and draw new ones. It was totally irrelevant if the old hairs had details or not. I wasn't interested of them.
Ok, but you were interested in only the hair, because you wanted to redraw it . . . oh . . . ok now I get it :razz: (just kidding around)


That HQ picture isn't the same. It is taken from same performance at almost same time at almost same angle at almost same distance. But it's not the same. The angle is different, the face is different, the position of head is different, the expression is different... It's totally different image.
Yup, totally different image, BUT very close to your pic and adds nothing more than different facial expression, aside from the other slight body positions, and that it is also hq . . . not same pic . . . agree . . . (just thought I’d add that last part in so that we can agree on something . . .finally haha


Your image lost more detail than my original (except on hairs but that I have cover 10 times... ). I can do comparation image if you don't see it yourself. So you went way too far, too, especially as your purpose was to show what not to do and you fall in same hole yourself.
“Fall in same hole” myself to prove a point about filtration and noise reduction . . . and to call attention that there are more powerful filters capable of doing a better job ( I have one, but I can’t get it to open because I have a few corrupted System files). . . I also said I went too far with the filtration . . .


The picture is part of my heart. To you it might look like another picture but to me it is part of my deepest feelings. When ever I create any art I include part of myself into it. You might not see it but I see it. When I see the image I feel complete. I feel what I felt when I created it. All the memories, all the mental images flashing, the music I was playing during the editing...

Wow, very true, I can just imagine when you actually create an artistic impression of lili that does not come from a pic . . . you would probably be on cloud nine, and I understand that aspect completely.





We have long history of arguing these things... If he doesn't get hurt I don't get hurt either. Nothing here is ment to be offensive. Altho, I admit sometimes it might sound like it but it's just the passion that makes it look arrogant.

We kinda understand each others feeling on these things but still the very deepest of them cannot be understood and those are the ones that makes us to argue all over again... It's basically pointless arguing as we neither of us can win. Neitehr of us can understand the deepest feelings of each others mind and heart. It's place where noone but the person itself can fully understand the true feelings... But we can try to understand it... We can try to get some sort of view of those feelings. It's often wrong or deformed view of them but it's still something. It's better than nothing...

I won’t get hurt and would never want to hurt you over these things . . . sometimes we take a discussion way past its intended “best before” date haha, but as I said before, concerning my vids . . . it is all welcome because I know that there is sincerity involved. I NEVER THOUGHT YOU AS ARROGANT, ONLY AS TALATED. And still do and will forever. And I won’t add to the last part (“We kinda understand . . .”) Good to know that when I need help on a vid or pic, I can always ask for your opinion . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . and then we will probably argue over that too hahahaha

P.S. I think I have gone as far as I want to in this discussion . . . and as always I want to thank RMJ for his input and for putting up with me :oops:

P.P.S.: please, don't do to me what I did to you when I release my next vid hahaha (you must be salivating, just at the mention :cry: . . . . . . . :lol:

[Nestonia]

it´s little bit better now

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5653/1sttry2nc23vp.png (http://imageshack.us)

[Z3R0]

there is a few errors on nestonias this is what it should look like

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/407/iamdanklol0im.jpg

[Orion]

A bit much now guys . . . too much spam :cheesy:

[Excellence knows no age]

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/4608/1sttry2nc23vp3df.png
(not really original though...perhaps time for an original post seal of approval?)

[RMJ]

With all do respect, RMJ . . . you are creating arguments now bro; you did not start with a blank canvass, you started with hair

Well, it looks like it does have things in common to the original hairs . . .

I did. :) As I deleted the old hair, it was blank canvas then.

It has few commong things because I draw it in same space as original. If I wanted to draw the hairs to fill different dimension, I would have needed to edit a lot more that imge. But it wasn't needed for this test (as said in first post, it was test picture. Someday you will see what for I did it. :wink: ).

And I stop the noise conversation now as I have said that the noise had nothing to do with my editing.




Understand your intentions and I covered the art aspect of your work. But, did you delete the hair then draw new one or did you smudge with a tool and then try to give hair some detail via fine lines etc . . . just curious because, either way, you know what you are doing and besides liking it, I find it interesting . . .
If you must know what I did with it then here it goes in few basic steps.

First I masked out original hairs. Then I filled the empty space with homogenous color. I added monochromatic gaussian noise to it to make it have some details. The I started to pushing pixels around. Pushing to makes the noise to form lines. To form strands of hairs. Beside pushing I also used normal paint brush to draw some strands (but even those I pushed/smudged afterward).

As simple as that.




. . . I think we covered enough of this, but . . . yes, I understand that you were not cleaning the picture , just changing it from the original because it had lots of noise (???) . . .
Ok.. I promised not to touch the noise question again, but I tell it once more time. :) No, I did not edit because of the noise. And the answer to next quote will give the real reason, so read that...



I am just trying to understand why not do the same type work on the HQ pic since it has no noise ( I could understand why, bnut since this stuff interewsts me, I want to understand your mindset)? I ask this to try to understand your intentions for using THIS pic, AND if you would want to do the same thing with the HQ pic you posted for me


And yes, it is not same picture as the HQ one I showed. There is no HQ picture of this picture. If there were, I could have used that. But there isn't. Or I don't have it. I don't have the magazine that has this picture so I couldn't scan it myself.

I choose this picture because I liked it. I liked her look on it. Her face, her pose, the angle of camera. It was moment of passion. I was browsing though my pictures and I saw this photo and I felt that it's excatly what I wanted to work on. It's irrelevant if there is almost same kind of photo. No other picture is same. This is unique. Every photo is unique.

To understand my reasons you need to understand that selecting image to me isn't easy job. I can put hours on it if I can't find the right one right away.

For example, when I work on ACC stuff, I don't just choose picture that is about what I want it to be. No... I go through all my ACC pictures and choose the one that is excatly what I want it to be (at that moment). The avatar that I currently have is result of watching ACC frame by frame and choosing the right frame. The one that I felt was right, at that very moment.

Ok, I actually captured also 562 other frames but I just archived them for future usage. It saves me some time when I need to go through only 563 frames instead of 5823 frames that the video has... But even those I didn't capture those 5260 frames, it doesn't mean I don't know what they have, I can use that smaller batch as index to look what I'm really after...



Yup, totally different image, BUT very close to your pic and adds nothing more than different facial expression, aside from the other slight body positions, and that it is also hq . . . not same pic . . . agree . . .

Adds 'nothing but facial expression' ?! That's one of the most important points to choose it! That is one of the main reasons what makes it stand out of the other photos!



Wow, very true, I can just imagine when you actually create an artistic impression of lili that does not come from a pic . . . you would probably be on cloud nine, and I understand that aspect completely.

Only if you knew...




P.P.S.: please, don't do to me what I did to you when I release my next vid hahaha (you must be salivating, just at the mention :cry: . . . . . . . :lol:
If I ever question your work, I question only the technical stuff. I'm not one to argue on your personal feelings.

[RMJ]

And to make this thread to look little less offtopic...

Here is teaser to one project what I have done lately. :wink:
http://www.3rdw.net/alizee/stuff/rmjalizee_korean_009_original.jpghttp://www.3rdw.net/alizee/stuff/rmjalizee_korean_009.jpg

[Z3R0]

you took the watermarks off to add yet another

[RMJ]

It's a teaser. :wink:

And it's not really a watermark... It's ugly overlaid credit text...

But based on your reaction, maybe I was right earlier today when I told one of my friend that people might not deserve these pictures... People cannot appreciate the work that is done.

I can keep them safe on my own computer, too. After all, I edited them for myself. But I thought someone might like them... Maybe I was wrong.

[Z3R0]

u can go ahead i dont really care bout the pics to be honest...as i said in nestonia's fan thread... i'm not here for alizée just been here to long to leave...

[RMJ]

I know. But you were good example...

[Orion]

And to make this thread to look little less offtopic...

Here is teaser to one project what I have done lately. :wink:
http://www.3rdw.net/alizee/stuff/rmjalizee_korean_009_original.jpghttp://www.3rdw.net/alizee/stuff/rmjalizee_korean_009.jpg

That's a beautiful picture you chose, RMJ . . . believe it or not, I think that you and I have the same taste in pictures :wink: . . . AND I appreciate your picture in the other discussion we had and the work you are doing (I said that).

Consider me teased . . . But . . . just a hint wouldn't hurt . . .

I am secretly hoping for you to do something with ACC . . . Consider me your biggest fan for that . . . btw, I have the vid of that ^ pic, but I am not sure if I have any vid caps, other than the one you just posted . . . it's a shame if there aren't any more HQ caps from that performance . . .

[Emmerdale001]

That's a beautiful piece of work you've done, RMJ. How long did it take you to do that? Several days?

[tern]

Well-done RMJ! As a veteran watermark remover I can see all the great tell-tale signs that it's been done. On the other hand I wasn't even going to touch those ones, great work!

[Adi King]

Havent seen that picture before.
URL=http://imageshack.us]http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8513/alizee20055ur.jpg[/URL]

[RMJ]

I am secretly hoping for you to do something with ACC . . . Consider me your biggest fan for that . . .
Believe me... Many has wondered why I haven't released any ACC wallpapers or anything... The problem with ACC is that it means so much to me.

It's the perfect song, her voice fits it perfectly, it has the perfect video, performances, and she even looks perfect in it... It's simply perfect... And if I touch that, I might break it.

So, when ever I do anything related to it, it takes time... I have plenty of ACC projects (not just wallpapers, but something much bigger. Maybe too big me to handle...) going on, but they simply aren't ready. I have finished only small things like avatars and signatures. They can be done in reasonable time (hours, at most).

Hopefully I will get ACC wallpaper done soon... I'd love to have ACC wallpaper on my desktop. :)




btw, I have the vid of that ^ pic, but I am not sure if I have any vid caps, other than the one you just posted . . . it's a shame if there aren't any more HQ caps from that performance . . .
It's not video capture. It's real photograph. Taken from her Korean trip (these photos are from her live concert in Seoul, 24th of Sep, 2003). Taken by professional photographer and sold to news agency. There's full series of those photos but no fan has gotten the orignal photos (that are 1648x2464 resolution, non watermarked photos...).

Only series of these small watermarked ones are available from websites (like newscom.com ) without paying huge lincence payments. These are just thumbnails for those larger photos. :(



That's a beautiful piece of work you've done, RMJ. How long did it take you to do that? Several days?
Not sure... Two hours at most. The file was created 15:10 and last modified 17:03. But I did other things, too, during that time. (I always multitask... Like Lili :) )

[PayBays]

Havent seen that picture before.
URL=http://imageshack.us]http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8513/alizee20055ur.jpg[/URL]

1 word....PHOTOSHOPPED

[Orion]

[quote]It's the perfect song, her voice fits it perfectly, it has the perfect video, performances, and she even looks perfect in it... It's simply perfect... And if I touch that, I might break it.

It is no secret that ACC is my fav vid and song . . . I am thrown into hyperspace when I hear her voice in that song . . . perfect highs and lows and I go along for the ride . . . I can't put to words how much I love that song . . . and I am glad that it's your fav too . . . only really creative and intelligent people can appreciate that song

(to the rest of you . . . just joking around > :P )

[YCZ]

Havent seen that picture before.
URL=http://imageshack.us]http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/8513/alizee20055ur.jpg[/URL]
This picture looks really really fake, i don't know the reason of this picture since it's not nude or anything...

[RMJ]

This picture looks really really fake, i don't know the reason of this picture since it's not nude or anything...
The best fakes in the world are non-nude ones (and I'm not talking about Alizée's pics but all pics in general).

And why do people make them ? Because it's way to show your skills. If you can create picture that cannot be tell if it's real or not you are pretty talented. It's kinda bragging with your photo editing skills.

Faking doesn't need to be related to sexuality. Of course there's plenty people who does fakes because of that, too. But the most skilled ones does it because it's great way to practice your skills.

[YCZ]

This picture looks really really fake, i don't know the reason of this picture since it's not nude or anything...
The best fakes in the world are non-nude ones (and I'm not talking about Alizée's pics but all pics in general).

And why do people make them ? Because it's way to show your skills. If you can create picture that cannot be tell if it's real or not you are pretty talented. It's kinda bragging with your photo editing skills.

Faking doesn't need to be related to sexuality. Of course there's plenty people who does fakes because of that, too. But the most skilled ones does it because it's great way to practice your skills.
yeah, makes sense. the picture above is too easy to spot since her face is somewhat a white blur. And come on Alizee is way skinny than that.

[RMJ]

yeah, makes sense. the picture above is too easy to spot since her face is somewhat a white blur. And come on Alizee is way skinny than that.
There's more mistakes than one can count. :)

To name the biggest of all: the head and the body has light source in opposite directions!

But as said.. There's million other mistakes. It's scary how many mistakes can be fit in one image...

[Snatcher42]

http://alizeeadoree.skyblog.com/pics/329035419.jpg
No comments on this pic, guys? Nice little find from the Alliance there.

[ArlettyFan]

This guy is selling these pictures on Ebay, so I think they are new...

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/6373/231b8zp.th.jpg (http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=231b8zp.jpg)

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/4396/b91b5jb.th.jpg (http://img61.imageshack.us/my.php?image=b91b5jb.jpg)

[Bizz]

http://alizeeadoree.skyblog.com/pics/329035419.jpg
No comments on this pic, guys? Nice little find from the Alliance there.

that not Frome of the crap alliance

that frome of the blog of a friend

[Snatcher42]

that not Frome of the crap alliance

that frome of the blog of a friend
From blog --> to alliance --> to here. As is often the way.

[Bizz]

only say That pic frome of Eleryan

http://ele-alizee.skyblog.com/pics/336805726.jpg
http://ele-alizee.skyblog.com/pics/336790923_small.jpg
http://ele-alizee.skyblog.com/pics/336803941.jpg

[Nestonia]

http://ele-alizee.skyblog.com/pics/336790923_small.jpg

ring ???

[RMJ]

What about ring ?

...

[Bizz]

yes the ring for make bubble

[Nestonia]

yes the ring for make bubble

oh, lol... now i see... i though that someone made it with paint :D

[YCZ]

yes the ring for make bubble

oh, lol... now i see... i though that someone made it with paint :D
lol yeah, was looking at it very closely for a min there.
And how do u sell a picture on Ebay? Is it a poster?

[tern]

FallenONE's post about my ava and sig reminded me to upload the latest set of videocaps. For those of you who have seen these before, you know what to do with them. Everyone else can download the whole thing tomorrow, I will try to upload it again. 700+ caps of Alizée videos by me.


Here are the 65 or so I just did from "J'en Ai Marre @ Tubes d'un Jour":

http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/JEAMTdJ.rar

Some samples:

http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/JEAMTdJ24.jpg
http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/JEAMTdJ5.jpg
http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/JEAMTdJ52.jpg

[KneeDeep]

http://alizeeadoree.skyblog.com/pics/329035419.jpg
No comments on this pic, guys? Nice little find from the Alliance there.

She looks nice, it is a good find. :) I like the necklace.

[PayBays]

Ternuc

sometimes she can still be so sexy :wub:

I haven't seen her today and these a beauty pics :wub:

[vonstar]

ternuc, those are awesome caps, thanks for sharing :D

[tern]

No Problem. I still haven't uploaded the full thing and I'm sorry for that guys.

[staos]

amazing caps Ternuc. I would have thought they were official shots.

[tern]

Well, here are the rest of them as promised. 700+ of Alizée.

http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/TernucVidcaps1.6.rar

Including old favorites such as:

http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/vidcaps/EELint21.jpg
http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/vidcaps/MED12.jpg
http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/vidcaps/LATOTP9.jpg
http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/vidcaps/JAMLC10.jpg

[Snatcher42]

Well, here are the rest of them as promised. 700+ of Alizée.

http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/TernucVidcaps1.6.rar
Yummy.

[Ekasra]

Well, here are the rest of them as promised. 700+ of Alizée.

http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/TernucVidcaps1.6.rar

Including old favorites such as:

http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/vidcaps/EELint21.jpg
http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/vidcaps/MED12.jpg
http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/vidcaps/LATOTP9.jpg
http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/vidcaps/JAMLC10.jpg

going to look through them to find one decent enough for my new avatar, also going on my D++, snatcher is right, yummy :D

[staos]

*shudders

Thats just beautiful :happycry:

[ArlettyFan]

Well, here are the rest of them as promised. 700+ of Alizée.
http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/vidcaps/LATOTP9.jpg


I bit my arm when I saw that picture. http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9217/blushgif9ny.gif

Ternuc....good man...

[Snatcher42]

I bit my arm when I saw that picture.
...hence the "yummy." :)
Mmm, flesh, miam miam!

[YCZ]

Man those are nice stuff, must took u a while, good work :thumbup:

[tern]

Sometimes it's nice to just open them in the Windows pic viewer and cycle through them at high speed, like a flipbook. :mrgreen:

It usually takes about an hour or two to cap, crop a video. Someday maybe I'll get them all done!

[vonstar]

thats the first time i seen her show that much flesh

[PayBays]

Well, here are the rest of them as promised. 700+ of Alizée.
http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/vidcaps/LATOTP9.jpg


omg...she has such beautyfull skin :wub:

18+ :oops:

Kids cover your eyes :wink:

[RMJ]

Well, here are the rest of them as promised. 700+ of Alizée.
http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/vidcaps/LATOTP9.jpg


omg...she has such beautyfull skin :wub:

18+ :oops:

Kids cover your eyes :wink:
More like 18+, cover your eyes...

She's 17 in that picture: Jail bait. :wink:


Nice caps once again, ternuc. :)

[Adi King]

Well, here are the rest of them as promised. 700+ of Alizée.
http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/vidcaps/LATOTP9.jpg


omg...she has such beautyfull skin :wub:

18+ :oops:

Kids cover your eyes :wink:


first if i saw that picture :surprise: :yikes: she is just so beautiful in that picture. :oops:

[ArlettyFan]

I bit my arm when I saw that picture.http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9217/blushgif9ny.gif

Ternuc....good man...
...hence the "yummy." :)
Mmm, flesh, miam miam!

lol...how could you take something so kinky, and go there with it. :lol:

Well anyway, :rip:, I got her hand!

[Snatcher42]

Well anyway, :rip:, I got her hand!
Hah hah, classic. For those who don't get it:

[23:52] Magnus84: wait, did you touch her BiB?
[23:52] Magnus84: actuall physical contact?
[23:53] BackinBlack: yes, briefly
[23:53] JanG_: are you like one of those ppl that took a piece of the old american flag whenever it went on parade?
[23:54] JanG_: like...hey look, alizée! :rip: I got her hand!

[tern]

thats the first time i seen her show that much flesh

Someone go find that "I felt like I was wearing pajamas" quote. I can't remember what it's from. She knew she wasn't wearing much with that outfit, though she may have been referring to the purple L'alizé outfit.

Anyway that cap come from the "L'alizé @ TOTP" vid. It's 156mb and from 2002 but somehow it still has the best video quality I have ever seen. So much detail of her perfect face... :wub:

[RMJ]

Here's quickly made gif animation from EEL. Just wanted to show the nod to someone. :)

The file is about 3MB in size.
http://www.3rdw.net/alizee/anim/rmjalizee_eelnod.gif

[vonstar]

EEL and JEAM from la chanson has to be one of my fave vids :wink:

[RMJ]

EEL and JEAM from la chanson has to be one of my fave vids :wink:
EEL has special place in my heart, too. It was my first Alizée video. :)

[Bizz]

TABARNACK :shock:
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/9493/pdvd0020uv.jpg

http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/4751/pdvd0007sc.jpg

:oops: :D

they use Cold Water because the glass could have fog...
oh rly !

[AimLXJ]

http://www.sigg3.net/blogger/foty/foy03chart.gif
Year 2003
What happened there? :?

[YCZ]

http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/9493/pdvd0020uv.jpg

http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/4751/pdvd0007sc.jpg

:oops: :D

they use Cold Water because the glass could have fog...
oh rly !
The glass is not the most notible thing in those 2 pics, something else are :oops: .

[AimLXJ]

LOL YCZ :oops: im with you

[Bizz]

http://www.sigg3.net/blogger/foty/foy03chart.gif
Year 2003
What happened there? :?

it is normal

not a lot of peaple know Alizee in america and Asia...

[RMJ]

The glass is not the most notible thing in those 2 pics, something else are :oops: .
Yeah.. Her eyes are very beautyful in them.

[AimLXJ]

So I gusse it goes on everywhere hmm...

[Bizz]

The glass is not the most notible thing in those 2 pics, something else are :oops: .
Yeah.. Her eyes are very beautyful in them.

and the smyle too

dont forger the smyle

It is the first Thing I saw on that pics

[staos]

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/175/vlcsnap4330047td.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Orion]

some old ones . . . until we get some new ones

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/8306/b5hm.jpg

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/8703/e6dy.jpg

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/9366/f0gy.jpg

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/5011/g7cg.jpg

http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/9803/h8si.jpg

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6244/tilt5gd.jpg

[Adi King]

Good pictures but most of all i liked the last one, she is so cute there. :oops:

[YCZ]

The second last one, is it a Taiwanese show? Anyone know?

[staos]

woot... Taiwanese. Im Taiwanese. Im awesome. 8)

Anyways, she did visit Taiwan for a promotion once so Im guessing it is from a Taiwanese show.

[RMJ]

The second last one, is it a Taiwanese show? Anyone know?
The last one is from Japan.

[AimLXJ]

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6244/tilt5gd.jpg
O.O she looks like on of my teachers, :oops:

[Orion]

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6828/rare2fa.jpg

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/7123/rare30ig.jpg

http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/4632/rare47mv.jpg

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5139/rare55gv.jpg

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4418/tette0it.jpg

http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/6307/d5ap.jpg
^"all finished"^

[Orion]

**sorry for the DP**


http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6244/tilt5gd.jpg
O.O she looks like on of my teachers, :oops:

I like teachers . . . if you make a mistake, they make you do it over again (in memory of Rodney Dangerfield)

[AimLXJ]

Heh :oops:..... but I have to move on someday

[Bizz]

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6828/rare2fa.jpg

what is the CAr what Is the car?!

[AimLXJ]

The cars there looks different in the inside, but yep, its a car!

[Adi King]

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6828/rare2fa.jpg

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/7123/rare30ig.jpg

http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/4632/rare47mv.jpg

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5139/rare55gv.jpg

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4418/tette0it.jpg

http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/6307/d5ap.jpg
^"all finished"^


Cool new pictures. :D havent seen those before. Thanks Orion.

[Emmerdale001]

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4418/tette0it.jpg

I think her face is funny. It looks like she's saying, "Ehhhhhh... Whatever."

[vonstar]

http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/4632/rare47mv.jpg


She reminds me of Keira Knightly in that pic

[KneeDeep]

what is the CAr what Is the car?!

Bizz you gear head you. :)

It's hard to tell from that pic. It does look like it's not her car though, she looks to be in the back seat.

[Bizz]

what is the CAr what Is the car?!

Bizz you gear head you. :)

It's hard to tell from that pic. It does look like it's not her car though, she looks to be in the back seat.

search other Alizee pic with cars

[KneeDeep]

I haven't seen any others. Who knows what kind of car she has. If she even drives. :cheesy:

[AimLXJ]

Its much be her driver!, sense she said that she doesn't have time to get a licence

[Bizz]

Femme au volent danger costant.

women at wheel Permanent danger

[RMJ]

Ok, here's couple retouched ACC captures. Have been getting lots of request for them so here they are now... Also posting the frames that was used to create them, so it's easier to see what is changed. The size of the frame is roughly doubled.

Retouched (reddish) & Original (bluish):
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8780/rmjalizeeacc0277bd.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmjalizeeacc0277bd.jpg)http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/1204/rmjalizeeacc027orig7ni.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmjalizeeacc027orig7ni.jpg)

Retouched (reddish) & Original (bluish):
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8020/rmjalizeeacc0298gh.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmjalizeeacc0298gh.jpg)http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/9522/rmjalizeeacc029orig3tg.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmjalizeeacc029orig3tg.jpg)


And as everyone propably noticed, they are from ACC performance at Dans La Lumiere.

[Ekasra]

Ok, here's couple retouched ACC captures. Have been getting lots of request for them so here they are now... Also posting the frames that was used to create them, so it's easier to see what is changed. The size of the frame is roughly doubled.

Retouched (reddish) & Original (bluish):
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8780/rmjalizeeacc0277bd.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmjalizeeacc0277bd.jpg)http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/1204/rmjalizeeacc027orig7ni.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmjalizeeacc027orig7ni.jpg)

Retouched (reddish) & Original (bluish):
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8020/rmjalizeeacc0298gh.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmjalizeeacc0298gh.jpg)http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/9522/rmjalizeeacc029orig3tg.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmjalizeeacc029orig3tg.jpg)


And as everyone propably noticed, they are from ACC performance at Dans La Lumiere.

damn i wish i could do that :(

[Bizz]

Ok, here's couple retouched ACC captures. Have been getting lots of request for them so here they are now... Also posting the frames that was used to create them, so it's easier to see what is changed. The size of the frame is roughly doubled.

Retouched (reddish) & Original (bluish):
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8780/rmjalizeeacc0277bd.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmjalizeeacc0277bd.jpg)http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/1204/rmjalizeeacc027orig7ni.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmjalizeeacc027orig7ni.jpg)

Retouched (reddish) & Original (bluish):
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8020/rmjalizeeacc0298gh.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmjalizeeacc0298gh.jpg)http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/9522/rmjalizeeacc029orig3tg.th.jpg (http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rmjalizeeacc029orig3tg.jpg)


And as everyone propably noticed, they are from ACC performance at Dans La Lumiere.

I really more like blue pic

[RMJ]

The background isn't the point of the image... It just happens to be purblish red because I needed that color last time when I meddled with the image... :roll:

[Bizz]

The background isn't the point of the image... It just happens to be purblish red because I needed that color last time when I meddled with the image... :roll:

dunno I didn't Read

[RMJ]

dunno I didn't Read
Well, you didn't miss much as there I didn't say anything about it...

But you surely looked the images, did you ? Surely there is bigger changes than just background color change. :roll:

[Orion]

hmm, maybe they need a map to the image with keys etc :lol:

[Ekasra]

The background isn't the point of the image... It just happens to be purblish red because I needed that color last time when I meddled with the image... :roll:

dunno I didn't Read

Typical of ya Bizz :?

[KneeDeep]

Good job with the flesh tones RMJ. They look great. :thumbup:

[jayjayboo08]

yAH man..those look great!! goodjoB! :cheesy:

[Steve]

Although not new, but new to me. I havent seen this pic before or at least i dont think I have it!! Has anyone got a hi-res of it :D


http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/4539/alizenice6il.jpg

Thanks

[Aliman]

I search this photo in high quality. (the original)
http://www.alizee-forum.com/galerie/details.php?image_id=2537
Can you help me? :P
http://www.alizee-forum.com/galerie/data/media/80/01.jpg

[Ekasra]

I'm having a very hard time finding very high quality pics. The gallery doesn't have alot that i like. Can someone help me out?

[Z3R0]

you can find quite a bit here (http://www.ame-stram-gram.com/AlizeeGaleries.html) and also if remember there was some zip or rar with quite a few large HQ pics

[Ekasra]

you can find quite a bit here (http://www.ame-stram-gram.com/AlizeeGaleries.html) and also if remember there was some zip or rar with quite a few large HQ pics

awsome, that link rocks, thanks bro

[Snatcher42]

http://molrt.free.fr/media/lili/alizee_hq_photos/

[Ekasra]

http://molrt.free.fr/media/lili/alizee_hq_photos/

awsome link, how long will it stay up and who's is it? i wanna save all of them to my harddrive in a couple days :P

[tern]

http://molrt.free.fr/media/lili/alizee_hq_photos/

awsome link, how long will it stay up and who's is it? i wanna save all of them to my harddrive in a couple days :P

I think it's been up at least 1/2 a year, if not since December 2004, so I don't think it'll be going down in the next couple days. :wink:

[Snatcher42]

Yeah. First mention of it here:
http://www.alizee-forum.com/ptopic,464564.html#464564
May 2005.

[snu]

http://molrt.free.fr/media/lili/alizee_hq_photos/

awsome link, how long will it stay up and who's is it? i wanna save all of them to my harddrive in a couple days :P

I think it's been up at least 1/2 a year, if not since December 2004, so I don't think it'll be going down in the next couple days. :wink:

i get

Service Unavailable
Apache/ProXad [Feb 19 2006 23:15:06] Server at molrt.free.fr Port 80

:/

[AimLXJ]

Yea, the site is down for now :?

[Ekasra]

okay, who broke it, i desperatly need all those pics :?

[cockroach]

Anyone has backup of it? I can host it :) :mrgreen:

[cockroach]

Ok, it's back up, finally :lol:

[Henrik]

This pic is maybe not new(I know it isn't..). Mackan on the DC++ hub posted a link to this pic a couple of days ago, and I think it's nice so I'm posting it here:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e347/Rallymacka/alizee-portrait1.jpg

[KneeDeep]

I didn't look but if that HQ file is the one missing 17 & 18, here they are:

http://rapidshare.fr/download.php?id=levBUkCm

[cockroach]

EDIT: Updating Link

Here's all the image, except for 17 & 18 (download from KneeDeep post :D).

[Aliman]

I search this photo in high quality. (the original)
Can you help me? :P
http://www.alizee-forum.com/galerie/data/media/80/01.jpg
Is it exist?

[Ekasra]

I search this photo in high quality. (the original)
Can you help me? :P
http://www.alizee-forum.com/galerie/data/media/80/01.jpg
Is it exist?

Its not real :P. the give away it the white lining around the pink alizée on the left :P

[RMJ]

Its not real :P. the give away it the white lining around the pink alizée on the left :P
Eh ? The scan isn't real ?

How come I got the exactly same magazine here at home then...

[Sonic]

omg nice pictures guys!!

im new, been an alizee fan for a while, i think im addicted. My wallpaper is alizee, my msn display pics are all alizee, i listen to her music and i watch her videos like 5 times a day lol oh and im from Canada

---------- EDIT ----------

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/sonicseven/12313.jpg

tell me, how cute does she look there?

---------- EDIT ----------

oh and this one

http://www.fondospropios.com/wp/alizee1med.jpg


i hope no one posted these, i onyl saw the first 26 pages of this thread


[Posts merged by Moderator. Please do not double post.]

[RMJ]

omg nice pictures guys!!

im new, been an alizee fan for a while, i think im addicted. My wallpaper is alizee, my msn display pics are all alizee, i listen to her music and i watch her videos like 5 times a day lol oh and im from Canada
Hey, welcome on board. You should check out this thread.

http://www.alizee-forum.com/topic,9224,1305,-the-newbies-hot-seat%3A-introduce-yourself-here-.html






http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/sonicseven/12313.jpg

tell me, how cute does she look there?
Quite cute but even cuter on the full photo:
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/1608/hq1988vi.th.jpg (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hq1988vi.jpg)

[Sonic]

WOW! damn thanks ! shes so cute in that picture i dont know why :lol:

[ArlettyFan]

I search this photo in high quality. (the original)
Can you help me? :P
http://www.alizee-forum.com/galerie/data/media/80/01.jpg
Is it exist?

Its not real :P. the give away it the white lining around the pink alizée on the left :P

Lol Ekasra. I hate to say it...but I got that 1 mini silhouette right here in my drawer...

[Snatcher42]

What's it doing in a drawer? Mine's on the desk.

To Sonic et al: please look through the gallery here or on other websites before posting a picture, lest this thread ballon out of control. Thanks.

[RMJ]

Mine doesn't fit on the desk... So, it's in safe elsewhere. :)

[Ekasra]

I search this photo in high quality. (the original)
Can you help me? :P
http://www.alizee-forum.com/galerie/data/media/80/01.jpg
Is it exist?

Its not real :P. the give away it the white lining around the pink alizée on the left :P

Lol Ekasra. I hate to say it...but I got that 1 mini silhouette right here in my drawer...

Company needs to learn2photoshop imo

[RMJ]

Company needs to learn2photoshop imo
Why excatly ?

The image is supposed to show how the silhuette looks when it's cut off of the magazine and put on the table. I think it represents it quite well.

Altho, in real world, it would have even more white stuff around her image... Unless you'd use some sharp knife to cut it. You'd know if you had the magazine...

[Sonic]

What's it doing in a drawer? Mine's on the desk.

To Sonic et al: please look through the gallery here or on other websites before posting a picture, lest this thread ballon out of control. Thanks.

I just did lol

[Sonic]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v646/sonicseven/alizee.jpg

Not sure how old this one is.

[Orion]

Those pics bring back a lot of memories . . . . .

[RMJ]

Yea.. Summer 2003 :cry:

Poor lil girl... Don't know how to use belt. :)

[Sonic]

haha

that pic is pretty cute though :wub:

[Henrik]

Nice pic, never seen it before..

[Orion]

If you go to the gallery and search in the press section you can find them all there. . . sorry I can't rememebr exactly what page, though

[Piece Of Paradise]

It's here: http://www.alizee-forum.com/galerie/details.php?image_id=679

[gaston_alizee]

Someone has the HQ versions of theses ones please? :

http://universalizee.free.fr/Officielles/Wire_Image/Wijpva001.jpg http://universalizee.free.fr/Officielles/Wire_Image/Wijpva002.jpg http://universalizee.free.fr/Officielles/Wire_Image/Wijpva003.jpg http://universalizee.free.fr/Officielles/Wire_Image/Wijpva004.jpg http://universalizee.free.fr/Officielles/Wire_Image/Wijpva005.jpg http://universalizee.free.fr/Officielles/Wire_Image/Wijpva006.jpg http://universalizee.free.fr/Officielles/Wire_Image/Wijpva007.jpg

[Henrik]

Not exactly but:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7954/alizeejpvawaterblank5hz.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=alizeejpvawaterblank5hz.jpg)

[Bizz]

Someone has the HQ versions of theses ones please? :

http://universalizee.free.fr/Officielles/Wire_Image/Wijpva001.jpg http://universalizee.free.fr/Officielles/Wire_Image/Wijpva002.jpg http://universalizee.free.fr/Officielles/Wire_Image/Wijpva003.jpg http://universalizee.free.fr/Officielles/Wire_Image/Wijpva004.jpg http://universalizee.free.fr/Officielles/Wire_Image/Wijpva005.jpg http://universalizee.free.fr/Officielles/Wire_Image/Wijpva006.jpg http://universalizee.free.fr/Officielles/Wire_Image/Wijpva007.jpg

gassen Tu la tu video la ?!

Veux voire cest quoi quelle ce fait dire au debu

[tern]

Wow, I have never seen those before. Thanks!

[AimLXJ]

Wow, I have never seen those before. Thanks!

I belive its from [Alizee] - J'ai Pas Vingt Ans (La Fete De La Musique 2003-06-21) , justincase if you want the video :wink:

[gaston_alizee]

Wow, I have never seen those before. Thanks!
Yes no problem but that would be much better if we had them in a bigger size!!

[tern]

Wow, I have never seen those before. Thanks!

I belive its from [Alizee] - J'ai Pas Vingt Ans (La Fete De La Musique 2003-06-21) , justincase if you want the video :wink:

I know what performance they're from. I even have a pic of her signing autographs backstage. Thing is, these aren't just screenshots from the video, these were taken by a photographer. Again, so glad to have them as this is one of my favorite vids of all time.


Here's that pic:
http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/JPVAfete.jpg

[AimLXJ]

More pictures please! :cheesy:

[RMJ]

http://universalizee.free.fr/Officielles/Wire_Image/Wijpva001.jpg
This is one of the funniest moment of that interview... Even more clearly in this specific frame from the video:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2118/jpvalfdlmframe42811ro.jpg

She's legs crossed, hands nervous on her tummy, 'biting lip' and looking somewhere far away (not concentrating on what host is saying) thinking something else...

It looks like she's thinking something along lines:
"Oh my god host! Stop talking already, I gotta go pee and fast!"

:oops:

[tern]

I think she's looking out at 360,000 cheering fans! (might just be me though :wink: )

[RMJ]

heh... Of course she is looking them.. But it's just how she looks in that very moment. The look is obviously total conincident but funny one. :)


Notice that also the photographer must have had something in his mind when taking this photo. Pro's don't just shoot random photos. If they sees priceless moment then they uses it. He may have took more of photos of that interview but why did he sell this particular photo to wireimage?

[Bizz]

http://universalizee.free.fr/Officielles/Wire_Image/Wijpva001.jpg
This is one of the funniest moment of that interview... Even more clearly in this specific frame from the video:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2118/jpvalfdlmframe42811ro.jpg

She's legs crossed, hands nervous on her tummy, 'biting lip' and looking somewhere far away (not concentrating on what host is saying) thinking something else...

It looks like she's thinking something along lines:
"Oh my god host! Stop talking already, I gotta go pee and fast!"

:oops:

do you have that Video RmJ

[RMJ]

Of course.

The performance is uploaded in the video request (http://www.alizee-forum.com/ptopic,619701.html#619701) thread but I can upload the interview part if you want it.

[Bizz]

Yes thank you

but Where Is The link ?

[RMJ]

Yes thank you

but Where Is The link ?

The interview (I just uploaded it):
http://www.alizee-forum.com/ptopic,620464.html#620464


The performance (uploaded by Dandy):
http://www.alizee-forum.com/ptopic,619701.html#619701

[RMJ]

Has anyone seen these photos?

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7190/concert8mc.jpg

[Ramon_Morales_Jr]

Has anyone seen these photos?

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7190/concert8mc.jpg

do u have them :?: :?: :?:

[Sonic]

http://alizeetoujours.homestead.com/files/Gallery11/alizee276.jpg

cutie!! :oops:




http://alizeetoujours.homestead.com/files/Gallery10/alizee236.jpg


anyone seen these b4?

[Ekasra]

http://alizeetoujours.homestead.com/files/Gallery11/alizee276.jpg

cutie!! :oops:




http://alizeetoujours.homestead.com/files/Gallery10/alizee236.jpg


anyone seen these b4?

Never seen the second one :P

[YCZ]

I never saw the second one too. :shock:

[Sonic]

good!

my job here is done :cheesy:

[staos]

Im pretty sure its already in the gallery. Otherwise someone forgot to upload it because I remember seeing it before.

[Sonic]

Im pretty sure its already in the gallery. Otherwise someone forgot to upload it because I remember seeing it before.

oh :cry:

[staos]

Some people still haven't seen it so its nothing to be sad about.

[Sonic]

Some people still haven't seen it so its nothing to be sad about.

haha, it was a joke lol its all good :lol:

[Piece Of Paradise]

Here's that pic:
http://students.washington.edu/kuesterj/Data/JPVAfete.jpg

A larger version of the above pic:

http://www.alizee-forum.com/galerie/data/media/9/Alize_Blue_Dress_Autographing_1.jpg

And another different pic:

http://www.alizee-forum.com/galerie/data/media/9/Alize_Blue_Dress_Autographing_2.jpg

And get ready to go :shock: :shock: :shock: :

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9803/alizeteddybears8ie.th.jpg (http://www.alizee-forum.com/galerie/details.php?image_id=3666)

[AimLXJ]

Wow, thanks man, I never seen those pictures before, now its going on my collection 8)

[Piece Of Paradise]

Actually they're all found in the gallery. If you take the time to search the gallery you'll find a lot of nice pics.

[Sonic]

Wow, thanks man, I never seen those pictures before, now its going on my collection 8)

you tlakin to me or him :whistling:

[Greenie]

these pics r old!
I think u should make a net thread called: OLD PICS OF ALIZEE ! PASTE THEM HERE
:roll:

[JAS_Palidori]

Hi all.

Not sure how many have seen these or have the older 'pre'- Moi'Lolita performances (actually school plays and auditions/recitals, etc). But I was in the mIRC #alizee-forum chat room the other day, exchanging videos, when someone hadnt heard of one of the older videos, so i took some screen captures to show them. They are 'poorly' done by your standards, but they are there.

Here now. The many faces of Alizee and her style:

http://home.neo.rr.com/jaspalidori/sample1.jpg

^-- Alizee as Dorothy in the play "Wizard of Oz"; english-speaking

http://home.neo.rr.com/jaspalidori/sample2.jpg

^-- Alizee in a white mini-dress ( vid- Summer Time ); English-speaking

http://home.neo.rr.com/jaspalidori/sample3.jpg

^-- Alizee as Tinkerbell ;) ( video - Papillon ); french

http://home.neo.rr.com/jaspalidori/sample4.jpg

^-- Alizee shows she is sultry-in-training ( video - Jimmy ); french/english speaking; some of this video is hard to hear and understand, but some of the lyrics, " Cant you hear what I say-ay ... i love you, baby-ay", she motions with her hand, " Baby, come on ". Yeh, she knows some English even back then.
( ps. Can you say 'corn rolls'?! Only Ali could make them look that good )
(( ps.s. Tho I prefer you without, Alizee. =) ))

http://home.neo.rr.com/jaspalidori/sample5.jpg

^-- Alizee w/ others, singing in English, " Stand by Me " ( spunky attitude outfit, notice the hat on backwards?)


OK. Yup, I know they are older pics, but I was trying to find some that i dont think many have seen...yet.

Enjoy.
( wonders the % of ppl that have seen these, and I sure there are tons of others, that if they have the vids, can make them BEAUCOUP better. )

-PaLI

[ Yes, i am trying albeit, very slowly, to learn French - Oui - Oui ] ;)

[Ramon_Morales_Jr]

http://alizeetoujours.homestead.com/files/Gallery11/alizee276.jpg

cutie!! :oops:




http://alizeetoujours.homestead.com/files/Gallery10/alizee236.jpg


anyone seen these b4?

Never seen the second one :P

i seen the second one before but i dont remember where

[Piece Of Paradise]

i seen the second one before but i dont remember where

It's found in the gallery and was posted before.

Nice pics there JAS_Palidori. I've never seen some of them before.

[snu]

is that a lizzard tatoo ? :cheesy:

[Piece Of Paradise]

Yup, but it's not permanent. There'a a topic on this: http://www.alizee-forum.com/lhtopic,1496,0,0,asc,.html

[Sonic]

i seen the second one before but i dont remember where

It's found in the gallery and was posted before.

Nice pics there JAS_Palidori. I've never seen some of them before.

I scanned through the gallery the other day and found it. so yea its in the gallery, there are tons of pics there lol



Yup, but it's not permanent. There'a a topic on this: http://www.alizee-forum.com/lhtopic,1496,0,0,asc,.html

wow this thread is 3 years old lol

[Piece Of Paradise]

That's because the photo is 3 or 4 years old too. :D

[Sonic]

That's because the photo is 3 or 4 years old too. :D

oh nice nice lol so she was 17-18 in that pic, pretty sexy lol

[RMJ]

The tattoo photo is from summer 2003. It was released in magazine in July. So she's roughly 18 years and 10 months in that photo.

[Orion]

I remember the hooplah over that tatoo she was posing in that photo. Some people didn't like it and started to worry etc . . . . . ah! those were the days . . . . . . . *reminisces*

[vonstar]

She has the prettiest "no teeth" smile ever :shock:

[RMJ]

Indeed... But can't complain about her 'teeth' smiles either. :)

[Orion]

haha, any smile will do with that face . . . . I mean . . . one look my way . . . . in anyone's way . . . . and we are done for . . . . stick the fork in us we're done!

[snu]

she has the most cutiest smile i have ever seen.
this much i must confest.

[Moco]

Yup, but it's not permanent. There'a a topic on this: http://www.alizee-forum.com/lhtopic,1496,0,0,asc,.html
I don't think we ever found out if it's permanent or not. We haven't seen her ankle since then, except in another photograph taken around the same time. She's always either wearing long pants or boots that would hide the tattoo if it were still there.

[vonstar]

haha, any smile will do with that face . . . . I mean . . . one look my way . . . . in anyone's way . . . . and we are done for . . . . stick the fork in us we're done!

I was just pointing out that nobody does it better :D

[Piece Of Paradise]

I don't think we ever found out if it's permanent or not. We haven't seen her ankle since then, except in another photograph taken around the same time. She's always either wearing long pants or boots that would hide the tattoo if it were still there.

Oops, sorry for the boo boo.


I remember the hooplah over that tatoo she was posing in that photo. Some people didn't like it and started to worry etc . . . . . ah! those were the days . . . . . . . *reminisces*

And don't forget the hoo hah over her tongue piercing, new hairstyle and tan too.

[Orion]

and how about the infamous April fools Day prank put on by Ben et al concerning Alizée's move to Rap as a vital part of her next album :lol:

People were about to jump out the forum window over that one . . . . classic

Hey . . . . what day is it today . . . .*ponders*

[Ekasra]

I remember the hooplah over that tatoo she was posing in that photo. Some people didn't like it and started to worry etc . . . . . ah! those were the days . . . . . . . *reminisces*

And don't forget the hoo hah over her tongue piercing, new hairstyle and tan too.

I love reading old argument threads

[Orion]

Some threads I dare not visit again . . . and that includes some of mine. Sometimes, when I'd "lose it" I would make a thread jsut to vent my mind about Lili :wub:

But . . . . . . . I am feeling much better now . . . . and have decided not to post such occasions any more lest I be put in a straight jacket on this forum . . . with all the newbs here :cheesy:

:lol:

[Piece Of Paradise]

Like the topic where you couldn't stand it because there were no news of Alizée, and all those "I've lost it" topics.

You're are a very emotional person Orion. :D

[Orion]

Lukily I had many friends here that gave support etc . . . we all did, but now things are different . . . things seem more topical; touch rather than feel; I am not about to let a bunch of noobs dictate now though. Anyway, I am preparing for new Alizée material soon . . . I even got a messanger account yesterday to prepare for the inevitable . . . now we'll show these new kids opn the block ( :P ) how it's done . . .

Sorry to the mods for the off topic (it will stop now)

[Piece Of Paradise]

I am not about to let a bunch of noobs dictate now though.

8)

I haven't seen these 2 pics before:

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8374/1804hb.jpg

^ Nice eyes and smile.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6654/2619uo.jpg

^ I've seen similar ones but not this one.

[RMJ]

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/6654/2619uo.jpg

^ I've seen similar ones but not this one.
HQ version of it:
http://molrt.free.fr/media/lili/alizee_hq_photos/068.jpg

[Sonic]

how old do you guys think she is in this pic?

http://www.volumized.net/girls/alizee/aau.jpg

[Greenie]

how old do you guys think she is in this pic?

http://www.volumized.net/girls/alizee/aau.jpg 39 xD

[Sonic]

how old do you guys think she is in this pic?

http://www.volumized.net/girls/alizee/aau.jpg 39 xD

you mean 19?