In order for Alizee to start building success again.... [Archive]

John

18th August 2004, 18:39

Here are my thoughts:

1) Put Jeremy on a leash or make him look like a man.

2) Ditch her Jeremy-like hairstyle and make her look not like the young girl when she was 15-18(even that is fine..) but at least look good for your fans(these people make you money).

3) Make some decent english songs...I like her songs but "okie dokie" and "boogie woogie" are pretty embarrasing. (Also strangle the cat and lose the JPVA dance :P )

4) Attempt to come to the US. It will not work alone with the french song Moi...Lolita ...but perhaps an english version.

Being respectful to Alizee, just stating what I think needs to be done if she is going to come back to her fans and start doing another album / tv stuff. Alizee needs to make money to be successful and sometimes she needs to make changes she may not want to. Obviously if she matures into a young woman and loses the Jeremy style that will be a great move for her career. The only thing she needs to do now is to get back on the #1 charts in Europe and then finally she can move to US.

No flames needed, feel free to add what you want to see with the launch of the dvd/cd live, single whatever it may be (assuming they arent rumors). Feel free to disagree to. However until a flame forum is put up, be respectful of my opinons as I will of yours :)

IronRodent

18th August 2004, 19:11

I don't really care for what she does in her personal life, but I wouldn't want either #3 or #4 to happen. Alizée should stay french and make only french songs. That's what she does best. Americanization would be bad for her if she comes over here. If she's #1 in Europe, what more can you ask for? There's no need to come over to America. It's not a feasible idea as she will have very little chance of surviving in juggling the two contrasting worlds.

John

18th August 2004, 19:39

Just an attempt at US. It can't do her more harm then it can good.

And true her personal life is hers, however its up to the fans to make her popular. And honestly, a sexy image sells. It is not the only way to sell, it's not the best way to sell, but it works and it has worked for her in the past. Her music is good don't get me wrong but alot comes from the image she portrays too.

Mes Courants Electriques

18th August 2004, 20:06

i agree with all of it except part of 3 and all of 4. there really is no point of her going to america (i doubt she will get that far in the charts) and she's already made it in europe, so what more could she ask for? but even i got to admit that okie dokie and boogie woogie is seriously embarassing...

Moco

18th August 2004, 20:35

Jérémy and his hair/clothing style really have nothing to do with Alizée's succes or lack thereof. The Jérémy-style haircut only came about a few months ago, long after the promotion of MCE stopped. If people find her current haircut disagreeable, would that really stop them from buying the album if don't already? It's really about the music, even though looks do play a small part. But look at the promotional period for MCE. I think she looked even more beautiful than before and her hair was great, for the most part. But then sales of the album were less than stellar. It takes more than a haircut to sell music.

And what's wrong with the JPVA dance? I love it! :D

John

18th August 2004, 20:52

Well Moi...Lolita was the biggest success and why her first album did so great. That song is just too darn catchy. Also her young and beautiful image I am sure played a fair sized role.

MCE sold what...250,000? If she released MCE and had Jeremy style going I think that 250,000 would be barely 200,000 if that. Obvisouly can't turn back time and try this...but thats my opinion of it.

Basically what I am getting at is that I believe that a sexy image can boost sales up to 10-25%. When your playing with a few million dollars thats alot of money. Money is not everything, but I think it prolongs success.

It takes more than a haircut to sell music.
Not just hairstyle, but total image. Fans won't hate her for her image, but I am sure they won't be afraid to hold back saying they do not approve(or dislike) of it if that is the case.

Her comeback...next release....whatever you want to call it, well it needs to be a strong attempt to win over the fans especially with more artists out there for competition.

*on a side note....when I say embarassing...I mean bad/kinda wish it didnt't happen kind of thing. Just to clear up the mass confusion from IRC :)*

monkeygod

18th August 2004, 22:43

Joseph

19th August 2004, 01:32

I am god %$#@ sick of people talking Scheiße about Alizée's new hair style. I don't seem to see what you see through your eyes; I want someone to give me some reasons why they personally So much HATE Her hairstyle .

Manu

19th August 2004, 01:36

I think it would be alright if she changed her discography and her lyrics composer. But this revolution is a bit too far, cos it's impossible in these circumstances at this point in time, so I only hope she doesn't choose the grunge (you know what a mean) image for her professional career, and I'm looking forward to seeing more dance songs like ML and slow ones like CDP in the new album. As for the US market thing, I believe she has a lot to win and nothing to lose, but maybe this is not the right moment yet (in any case, she is more known in Mexico, and I'd go there before the US). I'd like her to make sure first that she has laid strong foundations in France. Then, I hope she doesn't forget about the neighbours: Germany, Spain, Italy, Poland, etc., and if there are a couple of songs in English to try to success in UK again, it'd be welcome of course. The new album will clear up a lot of things: we'll be able to know if Gourm sold that much just cos she was new and sang a catchy song called Moi... Lolita, and if MCE was only due to inertia, or if on the contrary there was something else. (For us fans, there IS something else, but not everybody who buys a cd is a fan).

Faze

19th August 2004, 01:36

this is off topic, but joeseph could you please watch the language..

Joseph

19th August 2004, 01:37

yeah:( I only cuss when I find a reason too... that's why I used German for the second word, again I apologize:(

On a second note money is all but wrong when you look at it; there will be those dire fans that will always love Her items, and I would much rather prefer Her to change her looks/personality to that of something to be remembered as "Hers" not something that would bring in a few extra bucks:/

DavidAlizée

19th August 2004, 02:01

Basically what I am getting at is that I believe that a sexy image can boost sales up to 10-25%

Yeah true. Thats what she said also, that her outfits in J'en Ai Marre and Jpva were stage costumes to promote her songs. Every singer does this.

I don't wanna even talk about ..."Jeremy".. my day is good up to now.

Moco

19th August 2004, 02:34

2) To Alizee - Do not, under ANY circumstance attempt to do a duet w/ Jeremy. Jenifer did and she is paying for it. Also do not do duets w/ C-list singers such as Amina, or the CPM crew. Actually, don't even share the stage or be in the studio with anyone from Stars Academy(the toilet of the singing world). Jenifer being the exception of course.
How is Jenifer paying for doing a duet with Jérémy? I don't get it...

And Alizée doing duets with so-called C-list singers would just show how down to earth she is, not demanding to only work with the biggest of stars.

squeaky ladida

19th August 2004, 02:42

i dunno if jenifer is actually "paying for it" because of Jeremy, just everyone i've talked to said Jeremy was so horrible in that performance, and it was Jenifer's song

I don't think the USA is in a state to appreciate Alizée and her music right now
one reason she succeeded in France and Europe was because of the marketing of MF, and she knows the market. She may know the American market, and may bend Alizée to appeal as more pop... which would be bad in that case and i don't think she would do that. Or she could be unfamiliar with the American market and just not have the skill to push Alizée through that market
right now, the environment doesn't seem right for Alizée's type of music to be readily accepted, though i did put her music in my school video project :P

Oh, with Jeremy, I personally couldn't care more, except that his singing sucks... but i've only heard him sing ma revolution w/ jenifer, so my input doesn't say much
Alizée's hairstyle is fine really, it's been growing on me recently, especially with the last few pictures of her that have popped up

monkeygod

19th August 2004, 03:07

And Alizée doing duets with so-called C-list singers would just show how down to earth she is, not demanding to only work with the biggest of stars.
Im not saying she work with only big stars. But c'mon, she doesnt have to pick from the bottom of the talent pile like she has been doing before. Don't you notice how much better the performances were when she performed next to worthy singers such as Natasha St. Pier and Jenifer?

You dont see Julia Roberts or Nicole Kidman star alongside the likes of Hillary Duff or Lindsay Lohan do you? The point is, you don't get as much respect performing next to singers of lower-caliber.

Moco

19th August 2004, 04:02

i dunno if jenifer is actually "paying for it" because of Jeremy, just everyone i've talked to said Jeremy was so horrible in that performance, and it was Jenifer's song
You're right, he is absolutely horrible in that performance. But like you said, it's Jenifer's song, so it really isn't suited to his vocal range. He does sound better if he's singing his own songs, but his voice still isn't all that great to begin with. He's a much better song-writer than he is singer.

You dont see Julia Roberts or Nicole Kidman star alongside the likes of Hillary Duff or Lindsay Lohan do you? The point is, you don't get as much respect performing next to singers of lower-caliber.
I get what you're saying, but those were just performances for Star Academy. Many big name French singers do the same thing Alizée did with the Star Academy students. I don't think it's really that big a deal to get worked up about. Now if she actually recorded a duet with one of the students and put it on her next album, that's something else.

John

19th August 2004, 17:11

Heres my list:

1) Stick with MF and LB as your primary producers/writers. Use their talent and experience to help you make your own songs.

2) To Alizee - Do not, under ANY circumstance attempt to do a duet w/ Jeremy. Jenifer did and she is paying for it. Also do not do duets w/ C-list singers such as Amina, or the CPM crew. Actually, don't even share the stage or be in the studio with anyone from Stars Academy(the toilet of the singing world). Jenifer being the exception of course.

3) An attempt at the US market woudl be great, but brush up on your english first. Also hire someone to better translate your materials.

4) US fans must unite and build a street team to help promote her and to build an underground grassroots following so when Alizee does decide to crossover she will be successful. I'm doing t-shirts to help promote her (hey, gotta start somewhere)

I very much agree with everything you said though I wouldn't know if Star Academy is the singing toilet hehe.

don't seem to see what you see through your eyes; I want someone to give me some reasons why they personally So much HATE Her hairstyle .

I don't think anyone really HATES it. As a fan I think its fair state what we do and don't like. I don't like certain foods but I still eat them :) Over time this might change but doesn't mean I like it. So it really has nothing to do other than preference. I just prefer her pre-jeremy style. I believe I am in luck though, because with the upcoming stuff with Alizee I really think she will alter her image a bit to something more mature or something that I will like even better :)

Lía

19th August 2004, 17:28

i agree totally with john on what he has said...

but.... if i don't like something, then i don't like something! :P :mrgreen: :P

haloraven

20th August 2004, 02:56

hum...well......ok personally she really does need to make an attempt at getting her name back out there.....she truly needs to put effort into updating her style...though I think its ok....its not really Alizée....but I accept what ever.

Her musical tallent is not even in question..shes amazing...but Mabe she should as well update her lyrical stylings....meaning...pulling a way from the "little girl" persona she has...and move toward a slightly more grown up style....granted some of her songs could still be in that younger style...but for the most part id like to see more complex musical quality...Instead of her normal background music...add a bit more depth to it...more complex beats and rifs...etc..etc.

I dunno about her relationship with Jeremy...but I truly hope she avoids that duet like it was said earlier. That would truly be really really bad move on her part.

As for her producers she should stick with them...I mean they got her were she is now.....though I understand its a her 50% and they 50%....

and yes as well She should try america...if at all just to get her name out there....with a hip new song....and a video....I mean hell if it makes in on stupid ass MTV itll make it anywhere.....as sad as that is....it seems that all music here in the USA for our age groups is on that damn channel.

If she were to get a firm fan base here in America...even a bit...it would gradually spread itself out over a few months.....from word of mouth and sales.....and as for Europe...its a very good idea to do some publicity stunts if you will....the sooner she can get back on the charts...and or on tv, personally the better. But hell...I support her either way.

Joseph

20th August 2004, 03:30

Well, with what Patrick said, I'd love to see something leading more towards the objective of "glorious" . If you don't know what I mean , download Evolution by Ayumi Hamasaki and just drool at the thought of Alizée singing such a progressive, emotional, build up of a song to end with a blast of fireworks and the hail from the fans :) Anyway before I learned about Alizée I listend to that song and it's Goldenscan remix, they're both great ^^)

monkeygod

20th August 2004, 04:24

I used to be an Ayumi fan, until her music turned into techno/dance. I guess she is just doin the type of music that she likes which is fine. she has been churning that stuff out nonstop for the last few years.

The Japanese singer to really look out for is Utada Hikaru, her english crossover album hits the US, about the same time as Alizee's live dvd comes out. Her last 2 albums were really amazing, she's my favorite Japanese singer. She is a mix of R&B, and straight up ballads. Some of you may recognize her song "Simple and Clean", the theme song from the Kingdom Hearts.

Take note, because her knew album will show how crossing-over should or should not be done. Her main advantage over other foreign singers is that she is born and grown up in NewYork, so she is naturally fluent in english and already familiar w/ urban styles of R&B. Plus she is also working w/ top execs like LA Reid and working w/ producers such as JimmyJam/Terry Lewis and Timbaland.

DavidAlizée

20th August 2004, 12:00

Not to put a block on things here, but i hope shes doesnt go to America. The American public and press will destroy her, like they have done to so many over the years. Alizée belongs in Europe... not the US. She doesnt need to go to America imo.

Piece Of Paradise

21st August 2004, 12:42

In order for Alizee to start building success again....

.... let her do what she wants to do.

haloraven

21st August 2004, 13:04

Exactly...and well said Pieceofparadice....shes a big girl..and truly what makes her happy should in the end make us all happy that she is....

...or sumpin like that.....

In any case....shes smart and I'm sure if she wanted to she would come to the USA....but I do understand though....Americans i think are rude, self centered...and egotistical bastards.....not to mention for the majority are afraid of new things and change.....and Lili would prolly get the whole brunt of that stupidity....not to mention the ammount of French bashing I've seen and herd on the tv and in public.....its all that politics BS....bah.....

Joseph

21st August 2004, 14:19

Agreed, David, I was getting sick of the Jap music topic anyway. :cheesy:
*turns up L'Important C'est Aimer*

I agree with Patrick and David, Europe is her home, and to come to the US, she would be torn apart by the media and such. The "French jokes" and insults prolly originated in Texas, and while it would a wonderful dream for Her to perform here in Austin, I don't think people are ready, really. Maybe someday we will, but then again, change isn't taken on as something good by many folks.

Manu

21st August 2004, 16:35

.... let her do what she wants to do.

That would be something new. Up to now, she has been depending on others and hasn't taken any own decision about how to do things. Even, she used to say that she talked to Mylène about her life, and then Mylène wrote the lyrics. Lyrics about lolitas, incests, hookers, physical pleasures, etc. I've always wondered where the link was.

So I agree with POP.

DavidAlizée

21st August 2004, 16:41

I think its in one of the interviews on the fan-page, i remember reading something like that.

Manu

21st August 2004, 16:52

ROFL! I meant the relationship between Alizée's life and her songs lyrics, not the link on the net :p

DavidAlizée

21st August 2004, 17:00

LOL!!! hehehehe, i c :)

Tristana

25th August 2004, 12:16

Going to the USA would be difficult for her, for one reason : Mylène Farmer can't write as well in English as she does in French... Here in France, she's really appreciated because she uses everything possible in our language to make clever texts, and that's why Alizée's songs are so great.
And I can tell you that Alizée's lyrics are from Alizée's own universe : it has nothing to do with Mylène's own lyrics, which deal with death, religion, sadness, etc.