Proposal: Official forum bumper sticker and t-shirt

[monkeygod]

There has been talk about ways to promote Alizee. And i think especially here in the US, Alizee needs the most promotion.

Some of you may have seen my sig. I'm making it a mission for Alizee to become known here in the US, and id really like for us to help in the fostering of that fanbase.

I know Riccardo has been requesting artwork lately for the purpose of printing on apparel/merchandise. So what I'm proposing is perhaps not new, but i'd still like to see it happen. I want to suggest one of these two things to Riccardo and to those that moderate the forum:

- Less expensive option, bumper stickers. I have seen other forums that have made and sold bumper stickers, mainly for the promotion the forum. Sell them for a reasonable price (ie. 3 bucks)

- The other, more expensive. option is a custom Tshirt, maybe just one or two colors, simple design (no full color photos, since this can get real expensive). These shirts can be sold for 10-15 bucks. (cost maybe 5 dollars to make in mass qty)

Both these items will have the www.alizee-forum.com text somewhere on the shirt, and maybe the official site also (if it is legal to do so). A contest should be held in the design of the official bumper sticker or tshirt. After this, there will be preorders. Only when there are enough preorders (atleast 50-100ct) will there be any production of stickers/tshirts. That way u guys can save money by buying in bulk and pass on the savings.

The point of my proposal here is to promote of Alizee, and to provide new Alizee stuff for fans. Any profit that could be made should go directly in the maintaining alizee-forum.com and alizee-fanpage.com.

I'd like to see everyone's opinion on this, especially the owner Riccardo. So please, discuss.

[jon]

Nice idea, Monkeygod. I was thinking of starting with Alizée bumber stickers first. You know just a pic of her face and "Alizée" written on it. Then the person would look it up online and join the forum if they wanted :cheesy: . But really I think it would be better to spread her around first before the forum itself.

[Guard-]

Opinion Only, AKA Nothing Useful:
I'd put anything under $30 on pre-order after I get better and start working again. God knows how long that'll be :cry:
I could always beg mommy though 8).. yeah, count me in on anything to promote Alizée.

[monkeygod]

This is my idea for a bumper sticker:

A photo of Alizee's backside in her JEAM outfit. The text will say "If you can see my fish, you're driving too close"

Just kidding, of course :D

[haloraven]

HEHEH....IM way ahead of you Monkeygod, you see I carry around a picture of Alizée with me at work, so everyone asks who that beautiful girl is...so i tell them....and being im always playing her music a bunch of people get to hear it...and yes infact some have requested i burn them a copy.....I also put J'en Ai Marre on my schools network..so everyone has seen it......her name is slowly getting out but Im soooo up for helping out designing anything needed....time allowing mind you......I'll design something and post it in a week or so.

[John]

There is this guy in the city that does custom shirts. Its not a real shop but he is there every single day. He does some amazing stuff and with the paints he makes the image on the Tshirt look so real. He just request a pic any size and he will redraw it on a Tshirt. He is expensive though, near 35 bucks but I'll spend it and take a pic of the tshirt and let you guys know how it turns out. Maybe he can even mass produce them(I'm pretty sure he can) at a lower cost.

Anyone have any ideas what pic I should use?

I hope I'm not Hijacking this thread, I was going to go to the guy anyway and get a shirt done for myself. I'll go to him tomorrow and see how low I can get the price from him for 1 tshirt and for a larger quantity.

[DavidAlizée]

wow a T-SHIRT... great idea ..

maybe this... :oops: i know its a bit girly, but.. its just an awsome pic.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8786/sailor-scan-7.jpg

[John]

Hmm, I was thinking more along the lines of concentrating on her face and ofcourse Alizee(the name) going somewhere across the Tshirt. If anyone wants to photoshop any ideas feel free to :)

[monkeygod]

How about this, something very simple and cute :D I traced over the actual fish on Alizee's trousers in Illustrator, so i have the vector image for that if anyone needs it.

http://www.evobreed.com/alizee/alizee_tshirt.jpg

Only thing im worried about is if we're allowed to use the official Alizee logo. I love that logo.

[haloraven]

WOW thats bad ass....lol I just made a shit with the fish on the front and small print the web site address on the back, above the sholder blades but i wanted to make it all 80's retro style, ill post some stuff once im done though....

heres a quick picture i did in about 30 minutes durring class today when i should have been paying attention....heheh ^^ :lol:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/haloraven/Alizee_teeshirt_banded.jpg

[junior_151]

Really good shirt Monkeygod but maybe you could switch the the fish to the back and put Alizée in the front jst another idea, if you cant its ok I would buy it anyways. :cheesy:

Nice job on the other shirt too haloraven, better than anything I could ever think of. :)

[haloraven]

WEEEEE....I just made this one.....yes yes....i know its cool... :mrgreen: :cheesy:
I like it atleast i think its cool.....again retro styleing....i think it fits her for some reason....and if it ever was to be on a shirt...id make the vectors a bit nicer...but as its a comp....lemmek now what ya think guys. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/haloraven/Alizee_teeshirt_large_retro_layout.jpg

[DavidAlizée]

nice idea Haloraven... but i don't like that style of Alizée pic.. it doesnt look like her. But nice idea though...

[SeeMeRot]

a long sleeve shirt would be nice........with a Lili logo on the arm/sleeves.....

[Greg (Polonais)]

Out of the two, I'd definitely go for Monkeygod's idea. The problem is that graphics hardly ever (I'd say never) do justice to Alizée's exquisite beauty. Then again, a simple photo would perhaps be too obvious. That fish however, well, it's intriguing, it makes you want to find out what it's all about. Besides, it looks fun and makes a nice contrast with the black background. Simple, tasteful, elegant - in short, cool. :D

[haloraven]

well thanks for the crits, but ya see guys....to make a tee shirt with the kind of detail and colors your wanting would require lots of cash, for instance if you were to put Greg ^ heres avatar on a shirt that printing would cost about 30 bucks if not more, and plus people have been talking about using vector graphics ect ect...well you cant truly get a picture to look EXACTLY like her when using vector graphics, mainly because it adds flat layers of color to the picture, thus not giving alot of color for details, but if you want to use a picture of her and slap it on a shirt then i guess that could work too, and the point of my shirts atleast was to have a look...LIKE hers, she wears alot of retro looking clothing, thus why i picked the style, but I'll see what I can do about making a plain looking non artistic shirt style as well........... :?

[Joseph]

lol I'm making my own T-shirt ^^)

Patrick, hmmm I don't really like that style of potraying Alizée though it's my two cents and opinon.. very artistic though ^^)

oh and the solution to price- print it out and glue ^^)

[haloraven]

.....ya know..... there is just no pleasing you guys is there....I'll make a few more...not a style but I assume most of you dont really understand that making the shirt...either printing it...or silk screening....would cost more than money to make than just about anyone would be willing to pay....

With vector graphics you cant have a huge color pallet becaus of both graphical limitation and detail limitations, but if any of you know about graphic design then you would understand what I'm saying.....
and in anycase if yall cant seem to understand what I tryed to do here then I wont bother trying to describe it to you again. Ill give it another try.

[monkeygod]

.....ya know..... there is just no pleasing you guys is there....I'll make a few more...not a style but I assume most of you dont really understand that making the shirt...either printing it...or silk screening....would cost more than money to make than just about anyone would be willing to pay....

With vector graphics you cant have a huge color pallet becaus of both graphical limitation and detail limitations, but if any of you know about graphic design then you would understand what I'm saying.....
and in anycase if yall cant seem to understand what I tryed to do here then I wont bother trying to describe it to you again. Ill give it another try.

Hey don't fret it, go do your own thing. Personally, I think your designs are cool, but not everyone is into that 70's vibe. It may not get enough orders for it to be cost efficient.

Tshirts are very cheap to make, but ONLY if you buy like 100 or more at a time. Thats why i want to have an official shirt that many will like, so it will drive down prices. I think that at 100 tshirts for my goldfish design, the actual cost to make it will only be 4 or 5 US dollars per shirt. That includes the price of the shirt itself and the screening. Riccardo or whoever, can charge maybe 10 bux, and keep some of the profit for his trouble and some to go back into maintaining the site. I think this is quite reasonable as well as feasible. I mean 10 bux for an Alizee shirt is chump change compared to how much you usually get tshirts for at concerts, dont ya think?

I feel that if we can do this right, then it will be a win win situation for us, Riccardo, and Alizee

[haloraven]

Word monkeygod...if you are serious about this...then hit me up on AIM or MSN...I'm on all the time......veximus@hotmail_dot_com for MSN...we can chat out designs if you wanna...

[monkeygod]

Word monkeygod...if you are serious about this...then hit me up on AIM or MSN...I'm on all the time......veximus@hotmail_dot_com for MSN...we can chat out designs if you wanna...

If we are gonna do this for Alizee-forum.com i think we need to get approval from Riccardo. Im not even sure if he even likes this idea on an official tshirt. I was hopin to hear from him on this post

[Snatcher42]

Haloraven, I'd really love the t-shirt design in your sig if it weren't for the right arm (Alizée's left)... looks kinda weird... and cut off... maybe just remove it completely to make it look like she is holding it down...

Just my two cents. Good luck.

[haloraven]

yeah good idea...i just followed the picture....but yes that does make alot of sence

[haloraven]

Ok so heres a nother design that monkey and I talked about for a bit......i thought it was kinda neet.......

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/haloraven/Alizee_teeshirt_banded_fish.jpg

[junior_151]

Heh...going for the summer colors huh...looks good guys :thumbup:, too bad summer is about to be over where I live :(.

[DavidAlizée]

nice haloraven... looks better = )

[monkeygod]

to tell u the truth, the colors look little bit fruity to me. The gradient just doesn't do it for me(it's more expensive too!). Might work for a girl, but as a guy, id be a little embarrassed wearing that thing. I also dont like the color banded style shirt, too retro for most people, IMO. I think black may be better, since it goes with everything :) and makes the fish stand out more

I chose the fish because, as Greg said, is intriguing all by itself. Its an attempt to stimulate curiosity and bring people to question the meaning of the fish. If you've ever seen the phenomenon of the OBEY (andre giant sticker) (http://www.obeygiant.com/main.php) it is along the lines of the same idea.

If you add too much too it (adding that blue box, looks like it could be a fish tank, its already implied that the fish is in water) or try to add meaning to it(the URL on the front of the shirt), the intrigue suddenly dissapears and it becomes just another design on a shirt.

[junior_151]

to tell u the truth, it looks a little bit fruity to me. Might work for a girl, but as a guy, id be a little embarrassed wearing that thing. I also dont like the color banded style shirt, too retro for most people, IMO.I didnt want to say anything, thought I might get griped at because someone would think I hate gays or something. Guess I should express my opinion alittle more freely now.

I think black may be better, since it goes with everything :) and makes the fish stand out more Yes I liked that shirt alot better, but like I said in the other thread maybe you could switch it around,I'd rather show Alizée in the front. Just a little suggestion :cheesy: .

[Ayan]

Actually, imo, Alizée should be written in the back still.
Coz if you are walking in the street then the people see the red goldfish on your shirt. they start to wonder what does it mean and once you pass them they look at your back and see the explanation - Alizée. So keep the original design.

[monkeygod]

I also like keeping the fish in front because it would look cool wearing it with an open jacket, the fish would be peeking out and fully visible. Whearas if u had Alizee in the front, the logo would be cut off.

I was thinkin about maybe adding a small word under the fish that says "hic!" as a little inside joke thing, since its part of the lyric of JEAM. I think one word says alot, even if people dont know what it means (just look at my avatar :? ). what do u guys think?

[DavidAlizée]

i agree with Ayan.. the idea is about promoting Alizée.. so needs to have the name Alizée on it i suppose.

[monkeygod]

ya thats the central idea, everything that we design has to go towards promoting Alizee (and of a course a little plug for the forum as well), and making sure we dont misrepresent her by giving her the wrong image. Other than just personal preference, that's why im against the retro type of look.

[DavidAlizée]

yea true i know what u mean. We need like a high quality photo.. Maybe of A contre-courant or Moi Lolita as she likes these the best. Also, some great pics for the t-shirt are on the www.moi-alizee.com site. They will look nice i think on t-shirts. Yes it will also be good include the forum too : )

[Greg (Polonais)]

I still prefer Monkeygod's original design. It's most elegant and most effective in arrousing curiosity. In the age of aggressive marketing people tend to ignore obvious adverts, so let them find it out on their own. I agree wiht Ayan:

Actually, imo, Alizée should be written in the back still.
Coz if you are walking in the street then the people see the red goldfish on your shirt. they start to wonder what does it mean and once you pass them they look at your back and see the explanation - Alizée. So keep the original design.


I also think it's the most universal in the sense that it will appeal to the greatest number of people whatever styles they like - which determines the cost per shirt. As Haloraven points out, printing a photo would be much more expensive. Those who are seduced into the forum will get at the photos and vids anyway, and they will cherish them all the more for the fact that they've discovered them on their own.

[monkeygod]

Ok, I need opinions again. WITH or WITHOUT the "hic!"? and also the placement of the word

http://www.evobreed.com/alizee/alizee_tshirt2.jpg

[Snatcher42]

Without, imo........

[Greg (Polonais)]

I'd say without, but I'm not strongly against it. Use your own discretion.

[monkeygod]

Ya, i agree it looks better w/o it. I just felt the need to put something in as an inside joke for us fans

[touring21]

If Monkeygod's design is decided on, I will certainly buy 1, if not 2.

Also, I have to go w/o as well.

[monkeygod]

:shock: Oh, geez, i just noticed the link on the top of the forum that leads to the new shop. Man, how long has the shop been up?. It seems like there is already an official shirt. Darn!

http://spreadshirt.de/shop.php?sid=5024

http://spreadshirt.de/shops/6000/5024/products/5024_447454_1_huge.jpg

Well hopefully we can make another one, as i dont really like the design all that much. Not enough to buy one. Anyone know how much it cost in american dollars?

[Riccardo]

mhhh yeah we can change and add other t-shirts. no problem man. and the designs posted here are great.

but there is one thing, you can print all designs in a digital way, digital printer.
but i dont think that it will fullfill the whole t-shirt like in some designs you posted. so it might be a little smaller.

moreover if we wanna use vector graphics, thats much too complicated i think, because you need to have an outline of each line. So the space between the line and the outline wil be filled by the printer. and if u have small lines, e.g. in the face, you can't make an outline because it would look strange. thats why vector graphics are basically for logos. btw graphics and text needs to be converted into curves when using vector graphics. file formats the shop supports are corel, freehand and adobe illustrator files.

Not working:

here an example, if the motive is like this:
http://spreadshirt.de/fileadmin/gfx/visuals/druckquali/sm2.gif

then the print will look like this:
http://spreadshirt.de/fileadmin/gfx/visuals/druckquali/sm3.gif

Working:

here is an example how it works, the motive:
http://spreadshirt.de/fileadmin/gfx/visuals/druckquali/sm4.gif

print result:
http://spreadshirt.de/fileadmin/gfx/visuals/druckquali/sm7.gif
http://spreadshirt.de/fileadmin/gfx/visuals/druckquali/sm8.gif

vector graphics are basically just for logos.
like this one:
http://www.evobreed.com/alizee/alizee_tshirt.jpg

[Joseph]

That's cool, but I'm still printing out a picture and taping it to a big white t-shirt:)

[jon]

Couldn't you just go to a shirt store and have them do it nicely for you? Tackiness has no place in matters like this :wink:

I pm'ed you by the way.

[haloraven]

Thanks Riccardo thats what ive been trying to say this whole time, Its quite a challenge to use vectors to create a beautiful Alizée picute, especially when we want it super detailed.

[DavidAlizée]

I would like maybe a jacket.. coat or somthing with anything with Alizée on. cos here in UK its always raining.

[monkeygod]

Ive talked to Riccardo and we decided that we might end up doing 2 seperate bulk orders, Ricardo's store for Europe and me and haloraven will try to find one for US. That said, the bulk orders will be split up into 2, which may make each tshirt more expensive. It seems a little unrealistic to expect 100 US orders, as i dont know how many american readers frequent this forum. So thats why im looking at 50 instead.

I went to many online places where i could make custom shirts. One of these places was customink.com, heres the results:

http://www.evobreed.com/alizee/alizee1front.jpghttp://www.evobreed.com/alizee/alizee1back.jpg

My quote: Hanes Beefy-T - Black :: Screenprinting: 3 Color Front, 1 Color Back - Quantity: 50 (50 L) :: $11.17 each | $558.50 total

I feel it is too expensive though. I went with the slightly more expensive Hanes Beefy-T Black Tshirt. Colors really do drive up the price. When i add the white color in the front (the fish eye), it actually drove up the price for each shirt by a full dollar!. This place also does not accept payments or self ship to customers like Riccardo's store does, which is much less convenient for us.

Ive done some research and i found out the shirts by themselves cost only about 3 bux each, in 50 qty. I know a local place that can do the printing for only 3 dollars per shirt. My aim is to have the shirts be sellable for 10 dollars each, shipping will likely be 3 or 4 dollars anywhere in the US, plus 1 dollar per every additional shirt.

There is this other store called printmojo.com, where you can open your own tshirt store. It's free to open up the store and they make all the shirts themselves for you (like Riccardo's store), but the drawback is you have to have the items in stock before you can sell them and take orders and i dont really know how many people will be ordering. Which means no preorders, and most likely prices will be driven up too. But they do accept credit cards and all that and ship to individual customers.

Thats all i found out so far, if any of you guys have any knowledge of any places and services to get tshirts done in the US, please let us know.

[monkeygod]

i don't mean to be a post whore but..

TTT

[loveherfromusa]

How about this, something very simple and cute :D I traced over the actual fish on Alizee's trousers in Illustrator, so i have the vector image for that if anyone needs it.

http://www.evobreed.com/alizee/alizee_tshirt.jpg

Only thing im worried about is if we're allowed to use the official Alizee logo. I love that logo.

Would it look too busy to have her face under the fish, like a watermark? I want this T-shirt. Maybe more than one wouldn't be a bad idea. monkeygod's shirt and one with a picture.

(Monkeygod, are you related to Hanuman?)

[touring21]

How about this, something very simple and cute :D I traced over the actual fish on Alizee's trousers in Illustrator, so i have the vector image for that if anyone needs it.

http://www.evobreed.com/alizee/alizee_tshirt.jpg

Only thing im worried about is if we're allowed to use the official Alizee logo. I love that logo.

Would it look too busy to have her face under the fish, like a watermark? I want this T-shirt. Maybe more than one wouldn't be a bad idea. monkeygod's shirt and one with a picture.

(Monkeygod, are you related to Hanuman?)

I would like to buy this shirt myself. I have used CustomInk.com before and they do good work Monkeygod. I have a part-time home business and had 20 shirts made. If you go ahead and place an order, I will buy 2 for sure.

[monkeygod]

(Monkeygod, are you related to Hanuman?)

Nope, i never heard of him

I may go with printmojo.com because they accept credit card orders from customers and also ship the product out. Drawback is i have to order tshirts and have them instock before anyone can order it, But i dont know how many people want the shirts, how many, and what sizes they want. The cost also is about 11 dollars at cost, which is high.

It also means i have to money out of my pocket to make these shirts, which i can't afford at the moment. More details to follow....

[touring21]

(Monkeygod, are you related to Hanuman?)

Nope, i never heard of him

I may go with printmojo.com because they accept credit card orders from customers and also ship the product out. Drawback is i have to order tshirts and have them instock before anyone can order it, But i dont know how many people want the shirts, how many, and what sizes they want. The cost also is about 11 dollars at cost, which is high.

It also means i have to money out of my pocket to make these shirts, which i can't afford at the moment. More details to follow....

Mark me down for 2, XXL. Thanks! :D

[loveherfromusa]

(Monkeygod, are you related to Hanuman?)

Nope, i never heard of him.

Hanuman is the monkey god that helped Rama get Sita back after Ravana took her and started the Mahabarata - a major war in Hindu mythology. Just thought you might like to know. :P

[monkeygod]

More opinions please - To the Top

[Riccardo]

mhhh could you all send me your files???? because i can try toget some helpwith the files, because i can also use normla pics, but high resolution for digital prints. so it would be cool if you guys could send me your pics, and i can try to make those available in the existing shop and one additional which we aretrying to find.

[loveherfromusa]

I want one of these T-shirts. Then when I laid on my stomach, the goldfish would be "under me." :D

[monkeygod]

I want one of these T-shirts. Then when I laid on my stomach, the goldfish would be "under me." :D

Hah, funny, i never thought about that.

Here are the links to my EPS files below. They are vector based. When you open it, the white colors will show up as magenta; apparently, you need to make things magenta in RGB (red 255, green 0, blue 255) to make it show up as white when printing shirts. Atleast thats what CustomInk.com told me.

Anyone is free to use these to make their own shirts. After all, it is about promoting Alizee:

FRONT (http://www.evobreed.com/alizee/alizee_fish.eps)

BACK (http://www.evobreed.com/alizee/alizee_back.eps)

[Jaycubed]

I just remembered that this summer i was gonna make some Alizée shirts with my mum's shirt-making stuff....but i haven't seen her in so long, and now thanks to this thread, it's just another Alizée themed shirt i can make when i finally go there...that's pretty cool

[loveherfromusa]

http://www.evobreed.com/alizee/alizee1front.jpghttp://www.evobreed.com/alizee/alizee1back.jpg
My quote: Hanes Beefy-T - Black :: Screenprinting: 3 Color Front, 1 Color Back - Quantity: 50 (50 L) :: $11.17 each | $558.50 total

Please, I want to be able to buy one of these T-shirts with the fish on the front and the Alizee logo on the back. Simple, yet evocative of her.

Has anything been decided? I will contribute more than it's worth to be able to see it happen.

[Riccardo]

can anyone send me the designs you made? high quality?????????

[haloraven]

sorry guys ive been really really cought up with school...but im free a bit more now....and yes Riccardo I will try and send you some higher quality designs then the quick comps i made.....as well as what ever else i can fit in to my free time. :mrgreen:

[Joseph]

w007! Could anyone expain the fish though? I think I missed that boat. :(

[Riccardo]

haloraven, thx man no hurry

[Alw]

lol i like the one with the fish.. it's very simple and that makes it nice imo

if i could have the creaters permission i would gladly make that t-shirt .) i know a place where you can design and make your own t-shirts, and very cheap

[monkeygod]

Yeah, If anyone wants to make shirts with them, I would encourage you to do so. The point is to promote Alizee. It is free for all to use!

Im saving up money to buy and print these shirts in bulk to sell, my goal is to make it under 10 dollars each; its likely i can get it down to 8 dollars.

[loveherfromusa]

Would someone please decide? I want to buy the T-shirt.

[Mr Bond]

I've been watching this post with interest I'll second the above your definately going to do this monkeygod? Hey I wouldn't mind paying $11 for it to be honest I'd pay up to $20 its such a great looking design. My size would be XL if you do. Would you be able to send it to the UK? I'm willing to pay the extra (I want this sooo much!). One other thing what form of payment (type) would you be able to accept? Sorry if I'm being a little bit premature but this is a great idea. :D

[monkeygod]

The main hold up is that i simplly do not have enough money to buy 100 shirts before hand to sell it to you all. That would cost me $800-$1000 dollars up front.

I was thinking of doing a prebuy or groupbuy thing where i could order the shirts once enough orders and payments are in, but that sort of things requires alot of patience, and i do not know how comfortable people would be sending me money and trusting me when i dont even have the shirts in stock. If or when i do sell teh shirts, the most likely forms of payment will be Paypal and Money Order.

If you really want the shirts right away, you can take files and make them yerself (it will be expensive in small quantities) OR you can contact Riccardo to put it up in the forum store, he should have files i made for it. If Riccardo puts it on, it will likely cost more than 17 euros (more colors cost more money).

[Jenny]

Very cool, that would look nice on a guy. (assuming they aren't skinny)










http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/haloraven/Alizee_teeshirt_large_retro_layout.jpg[/quote]














BTW, Riccardo = hot

http://www.riccardo-ulpts.com/images/002M_17A.jpg

[IronRodent]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/haloraven/Alizee_teeshirt_large_retro_layout.jpg

hmm...I don't really like this design. It's too busy and a little bit too "retro" for my taste. The idea of abstracting a picture of Alizée is nice, but I don't like this particular artwork. Her face looks disfigured, especially the nose. I prefer the much black shirt proposal with the fish, for its simplicity. But personally, I would like to see the face of Alizée represented in some way on a shirt. Not a photo, but an artwork, a drawing of sorts. But it has to capture the essence of Alizée while bearing some resemblance. This one does neither.
Sorry if I'm being too harsh...

Edit: I originally thought this was a new design proposed by Jenny, but apparently it's as old as the first page. But it's still new to me, and since Jenny resurrected it, I'm gonna leave my comments as they are. It looks like everyone likes the black design anyway...
you know, jenny, had you quoted halo properly, all of this might have been avoided :D

[DavidAlizée]

Im with ^ on this one. I don't think they will look good on a guy at all. Her face doesnt look like Alizée on the print. Sorry imo it just doesn't look right.

[Riccardo]

any news? I mean i thought somebody wanted to send me the designs... maybe so we could make them available for others to order...?

[Artszfar]

Urmm... Can somebody post the fish picture at the black t-shirt in JPEG/BITMAP/GIF format? Large pic please.

[Joseph]

^yes I'd like that too, and I don't like Abstract Alizée... it is just too weird for my tastes.

[monkeygod]

Heres a larger pic (ignore the hic!)

http://evo.mkygod.com/alizee/alizee_tshirt2.jpg

And heres the files AGAIN, incase Riccardo missed it:

Here are the links to my EPS files below. They are vector based. When you open it, the white colors will show up as magenta; apparently, you need to make things magenta in RGB (red 255, green 0, blue 255) to make it show up as white when printing shirts. Atleast thats what CustomInk.com told me.

Anyone is free to use these to make their own shirts. After all, it is about promoting Alizee:

FRONT (http://www.evobreed.com/alizee/alizee_fish.eps)

BACK (http://www.evobreed.com/alizee/alizee_back.eps)

[Artszfar]

Heres a larger pic (ignore the hic!)

Anyone is free to use these to make their own shirts. After all, it is about promoting Alizee:

FRONT (http://www.evobreed.com/alizee/alizee_fish.eps)

BACK (http://www.evobreed.com/alizee/alizee_back.eps)


What program should I use to open those 2 files?

[banishedbayou]

I like the fish shirt better than the other one. I would buy it.

[Riccardo]

yeah but is it real vector, whcih program was used to make it? i could add that to the shop then if i know how to handle vector files...

[yrucrem]

yup, looks like vector, was created using Adobe Illustrator (or the program said it was for compatibility reasons). eps stands for encapsulated PostScript, that is vector standard (but its possible to include bitmap within) and the file looks like the fish is in vector (don't have the illustrator at home so it's a 90%).

best gues ist to use the original porgram, but any decent vector editor should load eps. If no available photoshop or gimp will load it to but will convert to bitmap before doing so, which is ok if you declare sufficient resolution.

if this does not explain enough please notify me, i will make it more user friendly.

[monkeygod]

yeah but is it real vector, whcih program was used to make it? i could add that to the shop then if i know how to handle vector files...

Yeah, its all in vectors, the fish and the Alizee logo. It's in Adobe Illustrator EPS format.

The only thing is, i have changed all the white colors to magenta, as Customink.com instructed me to in order to show up as white with their custom shirt program. You may have to turn the magenta colors back to white, which should not be hard to do. Let me know if you have any problems.

Oh, and i know its more expensive, but please put the design on a good quality BLACK shirt. I only ask it because I notice all your shirts in the shop are white.

[DavidAlizée]

So assuming everything goes to plan, how much are these going to sell for MonkeyGod ? The black T-shirt with the red fish on...

[monkeygod]

If Riccardo sells it, it will probably the same price as his other shirts. (maybe a little more, because its a black shirt).

If i ever get enough money to buy 100 shirts, i will sell them for 8-10 dollars each(depends on what kind of deal i get), plus shipping.

[Jaycubed]

i'll be buying some for sure, just to have them...that's enough reason for me, i don't wanna miss out on anything Alizée related!

[Riccardo]

yeah my shop accepted those files, i just needed to make them white and turn them into ai format...

added it to the shop...finally

(more products soon)

[monkeygod]

Ah, nice work, but don't forget, the rings around the fishes eyes are supposed to be white too! You might have forgotten to change that part to white.

Can u put it on a plain heavy black t-shirt one too? I dont like slim shirts. I suggest Hane's 6.1oz Beefy-T's. Or if that is too expensive then Fruit of a Looms Lofteez 6.1 oz.

[Riccardo]

the problem was the ring was just a ellpise, a single line and the color couldnt be changed. white colors will not be printed so i need a way to hve maybe 2 filled circles, teh bigger one white, the smaller one red like the fish and in the middle the black little one????

then i will add that heavy t-shirt....

[Joseph]

i like just a black shirt, if its cheaper not even Alizée, just the red fish , that way its mysterious, and cool at the same time. :) AND you don't even have to worry about copyright with Alizée.

[Riccardo]

btw my shop only allows 3 colours for vector files, so i do not know how to make that fish, no white ring or what should be done? they only accept 3 colours....

but i'll try to ask them etc... in case it wil be possible...

[Snatcher42]

Maybe lose the yellow bubbles (or make them white)?

[Riccardo]

do not know, more opinions?

[Riccardo]

man i have an idea, just leave the black eye left, because teh shirt is black. so 3 colours will work.. ill try.. waiting about 24hours to let them prove that new vector file...

hope that works...

[Snatcher42]

Oh yeah, I think that's what monkeygod had planned to do... I thought for some reason your shop didn't allow the eye to be a blank spot.

Should work, I hope!

[monkeygod]

Here, i edited out the black eyes to make them a blank spot, so now its only 3 colors.

http://www.mkygod.com/alizee/alizee_fish_3color.eps

[Riccardo]

thx man i will try that one... but be sure i need ai files, i mean i can convert them no problem but normally freehand, corel or illustrator files...

[Riccardo]

I'll soon have it done...

[haloraven]

...guess whos back...ive been nearly dead about 4 times since i last posted here...so yeah good thing im still alive and kicken...well im glad one of our shirts is getting put together now...ive got some ideas ill just get them together and post them up here really soon.

[Riccardo]

yeah, that would be cool. didgital pixel pics work too and will be cheaper, but vector files are much better in quality and so...

[Ayan]

...ive been nearly dead about 4 times since i last posted here...
So let me get this straight. You almost got killed 4 times in a row?
Gee what are the odds for that.
Reminds me of this time, when i almost got hit by a lightning, twice in a row. But i was lucky and the lightning missed me with about 200km-s. On both times.

[loveherfromusa]

When and where can I buy the T-shirt? If anyone needs help with $$ or €€, I will help.

Thanks

[Riccardo]

When and where can I buy the T-shirt? If anyone needs help with $$ or €€, I will help.

Thanks

i will help, i mean i told u that...

[loveherfromusa]

When and where can I buy the T-shirt? If anyone needs help with $$ or €€, I will help.

Thanks

i will help, i mean i told u that...

Can't help unless I know who and where.

[Riccardo]

When and where can I buy the T-shirt? If anyone needs help with $$ or €€, I will help.

Thanks

i will help, i mean i told u that...

Can't help unless I know who and where.

maybe i missunderstood you, what did u mean?

[loveherfromusa]

Who needs help to do this project? If someone can do it, ask for help. All I can do from 1,000s of miles away is offer $$$ €€€.

Could someone send me very good files with the pictures, graphics in high resolution? If so, I'll see what I can do here. Mail me a CD with high resolution pictures and graphics. Let's get this going!

[Riccardo]

Who needs help to do this project? If someone can do it, ask for help. All I can do from 1,000s of miles away is offer $$$ €€€.

Could someone send me very good files with the pictures, graphics in high resolution? If so, I'll see what I can do here. Mail me a CD with high resolution pictures and graphics. Let's get this going!

sorry man what project do u mean. apart from the shirts you will get from me?

what we need is another t-shirt making company, so that it's cheaper to buy t-shirts in usa. The files can be easily get from me to put in a shop. or tell me the shop i need to register...

[loveherfromusa]

sorry man what project do u mean. apart from the shirts you will get from me?

what we need is another t-shirt making company, so that it's cheaper to buy t-shirts in usa. The files can be easily get from me to put in a shop. or tell me the shop i need to register...

I was only talking about the T-shirts. I'll look for T-shirt makers here. Other United Stations, please help.

[Riccardo]

yeah that would be col if we could add other t-shirts...

added new ones here: http://spreadshirt.de/shop.php?sid=5024

btw i should get your t-shirts in a few days and will send them...

[jeromegreenday]

i'd definately be up for a bumper sticker to let people know im a fan. a v6 ford capri with an alizee sticker on it, 8) cool!

[Jaycubed]

let's get this idea in action then!!! :mrgreen:

[loveherfromusa]

I'd like a T-shirt, but I am having trouble with the German.

[Riccardo]

loveherfromusa, i got your t-shirts today and will send them tomorrow. hopefully you have it soon.

[Riccardo]

monkeygod, could you make a "J'en ai Marre" vector graphic like u did with the Alizée logo?

[banishedbayou]

I would like to get a black hoodie with just the goldfish on their without the fan page or forum advertisement.

[Riccardo]

so just tell me which kidn of shirt etc, and if u only want the front with the fish or more.... username etc ?

[banishedbayou]

Goldfish in the front. How much would it cost?

[Riccardo]

depends on which t-shirt, just tell me and i add it and we will see, cause i dont make those prices.

[banishedbayou]

A sweatshirt with a hood would be great!! Thanks

[EDIT] Nevermind I think the Username Sweatshirt will be great thanks!![EDIT]

[Riccardo]

ok, ill add one for you, just tell me if u want this. or if u want another colour, tell me your favs, like 1. blue, 2. red ....

rank your favs please....

[Snatcher42]

Hey Ricc, would it be possible to add a username to the front of this shirt:
http://80.237.204.40/shop.php?op=article&ac=details&article_id=686056?
Thanks.

[Riccardo]

yes of course, i will!

But before check this and post here please:
Alizée T-Shirts, Bags, Caps ... (http://www.alizee-forum.com/topic,8819,-alizee-forum-t-shirts%2C-caps%2C-bags%2C-underwear-undlt%3B-order-here.html)

For any designs and so on continue posting here please.[/url]

[Riccardo]

i removed the shop due to universal. they didnt want me to sell alizee shirts with some other shirts which were in the shop, like heads of osama bush and co... could be associated with alizee. i also think they had something about the idea selling any stuff about alizee... we may do a shirt without using any alizee pic, logo? anyway i asked for the logo to use it...

still waiting for universal to answer.... let u guys know and we can make only a few very good ones to use...

[Mr Bond]

Glad to hear it its a very big risk to be taking you could get in some deep shit.

[Steve]

i removed the shop due to universal. they didnt want me to sell alizee shirts with some other shirt which were in the shop, like heads of osama bush and co... could be associated with alizee. i also think they had something about the idea selling any stuff about alizee... we may do a shirt without using any alizee pic, logo? anyway i asked for the logo to use it...

still waiting for universal to answer.... let u guys know and we can make only a few very good ones to use...

Did you really email them Riccardo?? Because thats what you should have done before you started selling online, and if you didnt then shame on you. What you have done is exploited Alizee!!

[Mr Bond]

You won't have a leg to stand on if they find out (they (Universal) may monitor places such as this forum you know) its a breach of copyright.

[Riccardo]

normally its ok to sell stuff because we didnt use any pictures ,any photos only manipulated or vectorized stuff which is normally allowed and ofc i did email them before. they said its not allowed to use copyright pictures.

the thing is they didnt really like those other t-shirts being in that shop as well.... (osama, bush and stuff) and they may dunno that im not making money of it, im not printing or anything i just put the photos on it. a company is producing it...

Steve, what do u think, should i be blamed for this, for making the forum and stuff? sorry guys but there is an easy way to get rid of all probs.... shutting the server ...

and i didnt exploited alizee in anyway, do u know what we pay for that server, do u know anything about the work and time i and all those other fellows put into the website and forum to make it what it is today? we dont make any money of it to let ppl like u talk and discuss about the most beautiful and talanted singer.

im sorry i didnt ask about using the logo and putting her stuff with some other t-shirts in teh shop...

but u r right about caring much more about that stuff...next time i will ask u instead how to deal with it :mrgreen:

[PayBays]

normally its ok to sell stuff because we didnt use any pictures ,any photos only manipulated or vectorized stuff which is normally allowed and ofc i did email them before. they said its not allowed to use copyright pictures.

the thing is they didnt really like those other t-shirts being in that shop as well.... (osama, bush and stuff) and they may dunno that im not making money of it, im not printing or anything i just put the photos on it. a company is producing it...

Steve, what do u think, should i be blamed for this, for making the forum and stuff? sorry guys but there is an easy way to get rid of all probs.... shutting the server ...

and i didnt exploited alizee in anyway, do u know what we pay for that server, do u know anything about the work and time i and all those other fellows put into the website and forum to make it what it is today? we dont make any money of it to let ppl like u talk and discuss about the most beautiful and talanted singer.

im sorry i didnt ask about using the logo and putting her stuff with some other t-shirts in teh shop...

but u r right about caring much more about that stuff...next time i will ask u instead how to deal with it :mrgreen:

There is nothing wrong with the site.I never ever used the shop...is it a link to an other shop?Or did you made the shop yourself?

If the shop is a link to the other site,they can't blame you for selling Alizee stuff.You just advertise to buy things from Alizee...they should be happy with that,but not happy on the way buyers might gain it

Heads of Osama and others would ruin the shop.The shop is based on Alizee stuff and not on " make your own tshirt" shop

i hope i didn't understood the question wrong

[Riccardo]

I made the shop i just put some other t-shirts to it like country flags, fun stuff and the osama stuff was more fun but yeah i know it was not that good now. the shop u can make it on your own, its a companie's script where u just put ur own motives on their products.... and they do that ordering, shipping and printing stuff.

[PayBays]

I made the shop i just put some other t-shirts to it like country flags, fun stuff and the osama stuff was more fun but yeah i know it was not that good now. the shop u can make it on your own, its a companie's script where u just put ur own motives on their products.... and they do that ordering, shipping and printing stuff.


Well then you did nothing wrong.Unless Polydor wants all the right on selling Alizée stuff.For the Osama thingies,that could be good for your business

You didn't do anything wrong.You offer them,you DON'T push them to buy something at your shop.

It's THEM who buy the stuff they like.

You understand?You can't do anything about it if people are walking over the street with your t-shirt on

[DavidAlizée]

For the Osama thingies,that could be good for your business



wtf! Please read what you are typing Paybays!

[Zoomer]

Wow, some people over-react alot. Chill out!

Riccardo, dialogue with Polydor/Universal has got to be good - and since the shop has been going for so long, they must have known about it before etc - and it must have been okay I would imagine. They were obviously concerned about other items, and brought it up. Now you can talk with them, work it out etc, and get an official line on what you can do - which MUST be beneficial :) All the best :)

Everyone else just needs to give Riccardo time to work this out with Universal, no point in pointing fingers - it isn't the end of the world at all!

Thanks for all the work on the site Riccardo, tis great :)

[Steve]

do u know what we pay for that server, do u know anything about the work and time i and all those other fellows put into the website and forum to make it what it is today?


no havent been here as long as you, inform me!

[Riccardo]

Wow, some people over-react alot. Chill out!

Riccardo, dialogue with Polydor/Universal has got to be good - and since the shop has been going for so long, they must have known about it before etc - and it must have been okay I would imagine. They were obviously concerned about other items, and brought it up. Now you can talk with them, work it out etc, and get an official line on what you can do - which MUST be beneficial :) All the best :)

Everyone else just needs to give Riccardo time to work this out with Universal, no point in pointing fingers - it isn't the end of the world at all!

Thanks for all the work on the site Riccardo, tis great :)

thats exactly what it is.

AND I didnt make those Osama Shirts, those were templates like those Bush and country T-Shirt Templates I just used, ididnt make them i just activated. This shop offers lots of templates u can use without doing your own t-shirt. What I did was just putting funny stuff, flags and Alizee stuff together.

Anyway, if u guys wanna have Alizee-forum.com or alizee-fanpage.com t-shirts tell me or just send me some templates. those templates i will send to universal to be sure whether it can be used or not.

DavidAlizée, what about u, make ur own forum if u guys dont get along with the forum here. most ppl do get along and like staying here. if u guys dont like it do ur own thing, u cant force us to remove a chat, to remove anyone as a mot or anything. and thanks for being so kiddy to tell universal about that shop. no one orces u to hang around with us.

[PayBays]

Ok i just edited my message...

Riccardo i wanted to say i have nothing against your site....i really don't know how you got the idea,but if i hated this site i wouldn't be here

[DavidAlizée]

Riccardo, it has got nothing to do with that. The only reason this forum gets its members is due to the gallery. I can force you to remove a chat, because it is MY code. I gave you that code for heavy java applet in email. I also paid for it, as they are not free by any means. I suggest you speak to moco about the mods at #alizee-forum, as i told him i don't need to ask to remove that chat on dalnet. Also, lots of people found that shop offensive, not to mention other things.. like those exortionate pirices. Anywa, i don't wish to discuss it here, it is just a "all you can eat buffet" for noobs to post their comments, and ass lick you.

Things are going to change around here.

[Riccardo]

This is not your applet anymore, for sure , 100 percent for sure, this is a completely different and free chat i got from my german friends, teh german fanclub. No one forced you to pay for anything, and it cant be that much compared to what we pay for server and stuff. It wont make you poor anyway.

BTW me I didnt make the prices. It's a german company printing that stuf and shipping it as well I only put my jpgs on it, thats what I did, nothing more.

Anyway talk about that on another time and place, just keep posting and suggesting templates guys, this THREAD IS ABOUT T-SHIRTS, not about solving or discussing problems.

[Riccardo]

do u know what we pay for that server, do u know anything about the work and time i and all those other fellows put into the website and forum to make it what it is today?


no havent been here as long as you, inform me!

A good point to start with is http://www.alizee-fanpage.com/page.php?language=en&content=about_riccardo ...

Anyway Im not perfect and Universal is ok with it, just waiting for their reply what Im allowed to use.

[Ron V.]

Riccardo, ...... Anywa, i don't wish to discuss it here, it is just a "all you can eat buffet" for noobs to post their comments, and ass lick you.
How tactful of you.



Anyway.
I'm wondering it if's possible to use an abbreviation for the forum since it wouldn't really be using her name or logo in full. We should work on getting a recognizable symbol for the forum that's seperate from any of her copyrighted symbols.

[Pawel]

All was fine until some red focks got bored and started their malicious activity. Sorry, I'm done. Juzst a reminder (http://www.alizee-forum.com/ltopic,9928,0,asc,0.html).

[Riccardo]

LostInTime, you are right, but hey most ppl are ok, and as soon as Alizee will be around again, everything will be forgotten. I hope I won't loose you as a member due to some idiots talking bullshit.

[Zoomer]

I note that the current chat is the GPL pjirc chat - should have checked huh David, you seem like a real nice guy suddenly. If you are referring to myself being an "ass licking noob" - then for this site? Perhaps joining 4 months after you means I am a noob.

But only a complete idiot would take my join date here as being an indicator to my overall forum behaviour.

[Mr Bond]

Hey Zoomer you dumbass :roll: you know what I remember this thread didn't post in it because you see David wasn't doing anything wrong he was using a server he paid for and donating was read this carefuly (maybe get out your reading glasses) 'WELCOME' which doesn't mean mandatory. Wow you're losing the plot if this is all you can muster geez. :roll:

[Riccardo]

Mr Bond, leave it cmon. stick to the topic, leave it guys ... otherwise you will risk to get another warning... not only you bond, but this isn't the thread's topic.

I think everyone having a little sense of what is right and how to talk and treat people can draw his own conclusion. Even if there is a problem there is no use to call anyone a bloddy noob or idiot or something like that, it only shows how stupid some ppl can be.

thats it, go on with t-shirts :-)

[Mr Bond]

I was just pointing out that it was quite pointless to bring this up yet again :roll:

[Ron V.]

Previous off-topic discussion has been moved to the General section.

[Mr Bond]

Why is it off topic I think its on topic if anything Mayhem the whole problem was that the shop was wrong. Then people slagged off David and accused him of stealing when he was doing nothing wrong. Btw LostInTime do you have any balls or tact? Your just saying that because David can't defend himself here. David has been banned for no reason. He just spoke his mind and pointed out that the shop wasn't legit and that noobs are allowed to get away with anything. I don't think Alizee would be very happy about this very sad. :?

[Ron V.]

The topic that got moved isn't about the shop. Try paying attention. And David got banned for more than that. Read the thread in general forum and you'll see that the reasons he got banned are listed there. You just have to read. Not rocket science.

[Zoomer]

So any further news upon the shop? Heard anything Riccardo?

@Mr Bond, I don't have a clue what your going on about, but I sent you an IM. Please clarify by replying to my IM - because right now I am slightly bemused...

[Riccardo]

mhh maybe it was a fake email by some stupid guys.... anyway i will try to write them an email as soon as possible, or u guys might help me writing that stuff in french as well.

[Riccardo]

i didnt get reply yet so it may was a fake email... maybe u guys can help by writing a message in french...

[Zeka]

This is my idea for a bumper sticker:

A photo of Alizee's backside in her JEAM outfit. The text will say "If you can see my fish, you're driving too close"

Just kidding, of course :D

LOL!!!! :lol: :lol: I just saw this one-it is so true and hilarious.Is it added into the joke section?I would really love to have that bumper sticker on my car.I would also like to have a car....( :lol: :mrgreen: )

[Le Fidèle]

bumper stickers look unprofesional.

WINDOW STICKERS. WHITE ONES!!!!!!

like quenton's window sticker, those look nice!!!!!!!!! and profesional, with class, not just some big sticker on your car.

[Le Fidèle]

:bounce: :bounce: OH, a sorta good idea, what Roberto has. the picture of his sig has what i want, but only for windows. and i would change the pic too. the pic makes her look like a tomboy. :wink: and i would want the text to be white.

[Riccardo]

yeah guys whatever u want just send it to me....

[dantexaiver]

Sure why not , i wouldnt mind wearing a shirt to promote ALizee , but it would have to be a shirt that a typical man would wear, i would never wear a shirt with a bunch of flowers or something on it , i would probally get beat up lol :lol:

[PayBays]

Sure why not , i wouldnt mind wearing a shirt to promote ALizee , but it would have to be a shirt that a typical man would wear, i would never wear a shirt with a bunch of flowers or something on it , i would probally get beat up lol :lol:

I want a t-shirt with the lettres Gourmandises writting all over the place...

not the word Gourmandises,but the lettres spread out over the back of the t-shirt.And on the front,i want something like...well...don't know

But i don't have the money... :cry: