What do you dislike the most about her career...

[John]

Yes I am talking about Alizee. This is not a hate thread, just something you wish she didn't do. This is nothing more than opinions.

I dislike the fact that she met Jeremy(though I don't know much about him just what I read from forums). I just don't like him :?
I dislike her new hair style.
I think I saw her with a tongue peircing, I really dislike that...

[DavidAlizée]

wow John... first you post about how she is failing.. and now you wanna slag her off ?? :shock: :wink:

[Jaycubed]

I was gonna post here a little while ago but i thought maybe nobody would and this thread would rightfully die, but David you replied and you are right. Who does this kinda thing?

And also John, you said her career not her personal life, meeting Jeremy is not her career, neither is a new hairstyle or a tongue piercing, which is saying you dislike her personal life, life that makes her the wonderful person she is,so in theory, you'd like the change that??

What do i dislike about her career? nothing at all....there is one thing actually, the fact that some people would like to change it.

[John]

I don't believe I ever said failing. More like her career is not at the place I would want it to be. All artists go through this.
These are Alizee fan forums, I am still her fan. I just don't know enough about Alizee yet. My threads are in no way to harm Alizee, just to listen to other members and learn a bit. If you read my posts in the past its usually all good stuff. I am just unique in how I think and go from one side to the other. Its for learning purposes only...don't hate me for it. I ask no one to participate, and if these threads are inappropriate the moderators will let me know and remove them right? I am an Alizee fan forever, I just am curious about many many things. And on these forums I am curious about Alizee...nothing that involves hate.

I prefer these threads over 13 poll threads about the person above me. I am here to learn thats all. Tired at the moment I am know I have flames to come...

[John]

I was gonna post here a little while ago but i thought maybe nobody would and this thread would rightfully die, but David you replied and you are right. Who does this kinda thing?

And also John, you said her career not her personal life, meeting Jeremy is not her career, neither is a new hairstyle or a tongue piercing, which is saying you dislike her personal life, life that makes her the wonderful person she is,so in theory, you'd like the change that??

What do i dislike about her career? nothing at all....there is one thing actually, the fact that some people would like to change it.

You are right, I may have gone a bit personal. But I still believe that in a way it has to do with her career. Either one of those three can affect her career. Doesn't mean it did or didn't. I just want to know what everyone thinks or dislikes....so hard to understand me I guess. My questions seem to be very offensive, I am sorry for that but if that is the case please don't answer them. I am not here to do harm.

[Mr Bond]

I got a bit upset at first about the tongue piercing because I don't like the idea of her ever being in pain :cry: but she had every right to have it done. I accept it. We have no control over her. Many people have piercings/tatoos it isn't a big deal as long as its done safely and hygienically. Yes I believe you mean no harm you just have vey strong feelings for her which have cause conflicts for you this will ease in time. I think she did that because she wanted to not because of her career. Jeremy seems like a good bloke from the little I know about him. I don't know how you can dislike him if you know nothing of him and surely we should be happy for her she has to live her life. The hair? I really don't mind she looks gorgeous no matter how it is. Speaking of only her career of course her style has changed she was only a little girl when she first performed on Star Search she has grown up had many experiences since and will continue to do so. What will be a really exciting turning point will be when she begins writing her own songs I'm sure that will come in time.

[Backinblack]

No problem, John, this is a perfectly valid thread. Seeing as it's on a forum dedicated to Alizée, though, you should know that you're going to meet with some friction by posting such a thread.

Saying you dislike something about her career isn't saying you dislike Alizée. When you're talking about her career, you have many different people who can influence it: Jérémy, Mylène and Laurent, Polydor, and Alizée herself, to name a few. We had some discussion awhile back, trying to figure out why she couldn't sell out the Zénith, with Mylène as the main target for criticism concerning the management of Alizée's career (whether that argument was valid or not).
As for the purely musical aspect, we won't see how Alizée's recent change in look will affect that until the next album is released, or what her look will be when that time comes, for that matter. It is true that with the recent image change she is distancing herself more and more from the Gourmandises and lolita image. A part of me wishes to still have that image, the fresh, sweet attitude that she showed in the beginning, but another part of me says that she has to evolve as an artist, especially if she wants to keep her spot in the tough market of pop music. Having too much of the same thing for so long will tire out the majority of her audience. Just as long as she stays natural, like she always says she tries to do. Nothing else really matters as far as I'm concerned.

[Snatcher42]

Good points, Backinblack... and they bring up something which I think is very special about Alizée (sorry if this gets a little OT)...

Like you said, back in the Gourmandises days we met this exciting young girl, who over the years since then has grown up so much... and us her fans, many being roughly the same age, have changed as well.

I think many of the songs Mylène writes for Alizée deal with this... especially Parler tout bas and it's accompanying video. I almost broke down the first time I saw that. It's not just a teddy bear that she buries, it's childhood. The burnt bedroom, like a similar scene in the movie Badlands, is the ultimate expression of the fact that things have changed and we can never go back to the way they were.

And it's sad. It's terribly sad and makes me want to cry. But it's also natural - something we all must go through. Not black and white, but grey, it can be joyous and happy too - as it is the way we as humans experience our lives.

And so Alizée's career can almost be seen as symbolic of this journey. I think that is one reason why some feel anxiety or sadness about the changes they see. No one wants to change, but all we can do is remember those past times fondly while looking forward to the exciting future ahead.

[John]

Well, thats what I am trying to say. It is her life, but what do we wish she did differently or wish she never did.

About Jeremy, I don't really know why I don't like him. Though I am not saying I hate him. Hate is a strong word. Most of the research I do about jeremy(which is little) talks about monkeys, and weird hair and never showers. I am not currently interested in his career or his music at the moment. Just Alizee at the moment. I should do some research about him since he is married to Alizee, just I havn't found the time to learn about him.

About the hairstyle, I am not asking to change her life. I am only asking what we disliked. Her life is her own, it doesn't mean we cannot comment on it. I think she looks good in it yes, but it's not my favorite taste. If I said do you prefer Alizee's old hairstyle to her new one...that's a different issue. Would be plenty choosing both hairstyles.

The tongue peircing same thing. Its her mouth, her style, her life. I just don't like it. I am not requesting a change. I am just requesting opinions of others on these forums what they wish she never did.

So back on the topic, and I'll explain a bit more since I am not the best writer when trying to say something. What do you dislike that Alizee has done in both her personal life and career.

If you dislike something she said, a song in her album that you dislike...anything. It doesn't mean you hate her...its only feedback on the discussion. Again, I am not asking to live her life, that has nothing to do with it.

[Ayan]

True,
changes are inevitable. Noone wants to be the same all the time. Its dull. And Alizée is not dull. Therefore She changes Herself. Yes okay, it has something to do with Her public image, but i also do belive, that She herself wants to try out new things.

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edit: damn im too slow poster.

[Backinblack]

I've already taken heat for suggesting that her hairstyle during the J'en ai marre promotion was her best one. But that was her style when I first discovered her, so naturally there is some attachment to this first image.

As for Jérémy, I try my hardest to like the guy, but he's said some things in interviews that are downright despicable. I tolerate him out of respect for Alizée though.

If you dislike something she said, a song in her album that you dislike...anything.
I tell you, I hate that darn cat at the beginning of "Abracadabra." :P

[DavidAlizée]

I tell you, I hate that darn cat at the beginning of "Abracadabra."
LOL!! :P yep. i always have my music on full blast, and when it comes on. dam everyone looks!

mm, i know what u mean about Jéméry.. but i guess i havnt got the patience you have got. I just blank him .. i dont like the guy. Never have, never well.

[Rodrigo]

i dislike about her career

That maybe it has to be difficult her life since she isnt a normal person again :(, she is famous and in its cool but in other ways maybe its kinda bad jeje, i dislike the monkey too :twisted:

[Mr Bond]

I'm not alone :D that cat really spoils my enjoyment of that song. Just so sudden it makes me gringe and jump when I'm listening in headphones. I also dislike Universal's decision not to release any more of her singles and albums in the UK.

John your opinions are valid many of us have little conflicts over what she does I find that I can resolve many of these with time and a little thought but everyone is different.

[monkeygod]

Yes I am talking about Alizee. This is not a hate thread, just something you wish she didn't do. This is nothing more than opinions.

I dislike the fact that she met Jeremy(though I don't know much about him just what I read from forums). I just don't like him :?
I dislike her new hair style.
I think I saw her with a tongue peircing, I really dislike that...

These things are irrelevant to her career so wouldnt not apply to the topic. What you are talking about is her personal life.

These are the 3 things i dislike about her career:

1) The lipsynching - and how often she lipsyncs. I realize this is the norm for European performers, but i wish i could hear Lili live more often. I blame it on the music industry.

2) The fact that she is primarly known for her sexy image. Especially after the JEAM performance, Alizee has exploded all over the internet, mostly in the form of animated avatars. And while any publicity is good publicity, I wish people (people who arent already Alizee fans) would like her for other reasons as well.

3) This is not something i dislike, rather than something that could be better. I hope Alizee would try writing a few songs in the future; I have more respect for artists that take part in the writing process songs that they perform.

[John]

These things are irrelevant to her career so wouldnt not apply to the topic. What you are talking about is her personal life.

Actually, what she does in her personal life can really infact affect her career. Maybe not so much the little things, but its possible. I don't even want to get into that as now people understand this thread and I like where its going finally.


Oh, and yes I wish they kept the cat out of that song. So annoying :)

[monkeygod]

i dislike about her career

That maybe it has to be difficult her life since she isnt a normal person again :(, she is famous and in its cool but in other ways maybe its kinda bad jeje, i dislike the monkey too :twisted:

You mean Jeremy? You know, i thought he was an ok guy, but then i saw that screenshot u guys posted, and the performance he did w/ Jenifer. I mean what was he thinking?

[Rodrigo]

he was thinking on he needed a kick in his ass :twisted:

[DavidAlizée]

i know i might get flamed for saying this but, IMO he might become a embarresment for her soon. Poeple might not take her serously or somthing with him tagging around... Id hate for the press to refer to her as Jérérmy sidekick or somthing. IMO, she doesnt need him! He is making a fool of himself, and Alizée has worked soooo hard to get where she is... I hope he doesnt bring her down!!

[squeaky ladida]

These are the 3 things i dislike about her career:

1) The lipsynching - and how often she lipsyncs. I realize this is the norm for European performers, but i wish i could hear Lili live more often. I blame it on the music industry.

yes! I was so suprised by that because i'm used to seeing artists actually sing during live performances on tv and stuff!

I guess it's the norm, but i'm still a bit disappointed taht i have to specially go digging to hear her own voice going through that mic

[Ayan]

1) The lipsynching - and how often she lipsyncs. I realize this is the norm for European performers, but i wish i could hear Lili live more often. I blame it on the music industry.Have you ever thought, that this might be the reason, why there are no singers with a good voice in usa?






i know, i know ..... http://img35.exs.cx/img35/8314/new_tomato.gif

[mot]

The only thing I can think of are the long nails sometimes.
I just prefer short nails!

I doubt this is a carreer thing, but I can't think of anything.

[haloraven]

Well...to say the least i think this is a decent question....

and i can say that I dont like the fact that she has taken such a long time off between records.....but thats it.....

[loveherfromusa]

That she hasn't had a concert in Portland, Oregon, USA.

[jon]

I'd come down for that. 3 hours away... :afro:

[loveherfromusa]

I'd come down for that. 3 hours away... :afro:

You know she would do Seattle before Portland. I'd see her in Seattle, California, anywhere closer than France.

[Joseph]

I would also like to see a song she has written; When I first read the lyrics of Moi Lolita I thought she was saying some secret message, because me and my friend took some of the words out and mixed them up, and came up with this: (taken from my livejournal)

Friend:she needs to not smile while she sings.
Me:dude
Friend:because the video is like sad
Me:she has to
Me:it is what she has to do
Me:don't you udnerstnad?
Me:she HAS to do it.

"And if I want to quit
I see the others
All ready to throw themselves upon me
It's not my own mistake"
"It's Lola who has to bleed"
"Me, I'm called Lolita, Lo or just Lola"

Me:see?
Me:she's lola.
Friend:wow dude.
This is really beautiful.

Then I learned that Mylene Farmer wrote her lyrics, and that dishearted me, but by near-nil. But, that is the sole reason why my friend will never like her; and as such, it would be wonderful for her to write a song herself not for him but for all of us; see what she thinks, and when she dances to it it would prolly be the most natural she can get; after all- she wrote it.

[Greg (Polonais)]

I think her marketing agents and managers, whoever they were, overlooked a much closer market than the USA, that is Poland. In her official fanlisting we beat all other nations including the French :D With a proper promotion she would have been a mega star here. Alas, not a single concert! Great pity...

As to the issues brought up by John, I think they do influece her career, since they influece her overal image and consequently the public opinion.

Having said that, I think her career thus far has been quite fine. She has avoided many mistakes, she hasn't let the success go to her head. There are so many young starlets who become instantly unapproachable and look down their noses at everyone. Or there are those who beg for media's attention, making photo sessions for men's magazines and all kinds of other idiotic things, prepared to do anything to boost their popularity. Well, Alizée is not like that, and that's what makes her so lovable.

[AliZee4ever <3]

Yes I am talking about Alizee. This is not a hate thread, just something you wish she didn't do. This is nothing more than opinions.

I dislike the fact that she met Jeremy(though I don't know much about him just what I read from forums). I just don't like him :?
I dislike her new hair style.
I think I saw her with a tongue peircing, I really dislike that...

These things are irrelevant to her career so wouldnt not apply to the topic. What you are talking about is her personal life.


These thing are important to her career. For explain if she will start to smoke or drink, how do u think, this will change her career?
About Jeremy. She should give more atention to him, and maybe they will have baby soon...
About hair style and a tongue peircing. These things change an image of Alizee and its actual to her career, too. A tongue peircing can to change her voice a little bit.

I dislike a tongue peircing most, i was shocked then i heard about it...

[DavidAlizée]

I think her marketing agents and managers, whoever they were, overlooked a much closer market than the USA, that is Poland. In her official fanlisting we beat all other nations including the French :D With a proper promotion she would have been a mega star here. Alas, not a single concert! Great pity...

As to the issues brought up by John, I think they do influece her career, since they influece her overal image and consequently the public opinion.

Having said that, I think her career thus far has been quite fine. She has avoided many mistakes, she hasn't let the success go to her head. There are so many young starlets who become instantly unapproachable and look down their noses at everyone. Or there are those who beg for media's attention, making photo sessions for men's magazines and all kinds of other idiotic things, prepared to do anything to boost their popularity. Well, Alizée is not like that, and that's what makes her so lovable.

so very true..

About Jeremy. She should give more atention to him, and maybe they will have baby soon...

nope nope nope nope nope ;) naaaaaaaaaa. He won't be around for much longer imo.

[Man from U.N.C.L.E]

^^ No DavidAlizee, what you mean is you HOPE, PRAY, SELL YOUR SOUL TO THE DEVIL IF IT MADE ANY DIFFERENCE think that it wont last.

:cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:

(sorry, just had to have a dig).

[Joseph]

but seriosuly It won't happen...
just wait... :)

[BLADEEK]

Ohh. Very interesting topic for me.
I saw here some arguing with each other due to what is about her career and what not
Here's what I dislike about her career:
1. Unfortunately some lipsyncing.
2. Tempete song.
3. Cat in abracadabra.
4. Her JEAM outfit.
5. Jeremy's person (even is someone said that it's her personal, but it'll probably make an influence on her career).

Here's what I dislike about her personal:
1. Her new hair style.
2. Pirsing.

P.S. Someone said that if she'd start smoking or drinking that'd not have influenc on her career. I'm terribly shocked how can't you guess what will happen. I think that's wrong example.

P.S.2 I'm afraid even think about having child with Jeremy (not me ..Alizée of cousre :mrgreen: ). That'd definately spoil her career (I think everyone understands how).

[Ayan]

Care to explain how a child could possibly ruin Alizée's carreer ? Jenifer is as old as Alizée, and she has a child. And despite that, she is still successful.

[BLADEEK]

But as far as i know Alizée's mentality I think she'd spend all her time with child so what future career we can talk about?

[Joseph]

hmm all I know is I won't stop listening to her sing, no matter what she chooses. :/

[Max_07s]

1) absolutely her piercing..that what i dislike about her career...
2) then..jeremy too..i dont know why its too difficult for me to accept alizee with this guy...in my mind..i think this guy not serious with Alizee..but this is just in my mind..dont take serious..k..
3) lypsync..just want to hear her voice..
4) I think her hair in both previous album is so beautiful..not the new hair..but she look beautiful..in all condition.. :cheesy:
5) I think she is thin on a new look..

[Ayan]

I hope Alizee would try writing a few songs in the future; I have more respect for artists that take part in the writing process songs that they perform.

This has been mentioned many times. Too many times already.
But the truth is, Alizée, Mylène & Laurent work as a trio. None of them can do without the other two. They need eachother. And therefore they all play an important role in selling that music. True, Alizée takes most of the credit, but She wouldn't sell as much as She does now, if there wouldnt be M&L. Same goes for L&M too - they need Alizée.
Sure things could be very different. Alizée could work with someone else. Laurent could write music for other people. Mylene could find another person, who would write her music. Yet, the current system works. Why change it, if there is a chance of ruining it?

How many 19 year olds write their own songs, and if so, how many are successful?
and also the fact that Gourmandises the Album for example, is Alizée expected to write her own songs at 16?

Unbelieveable that people continuously moan about this.

[Snatcher42]

I hope Alizee would try writing a few songs in the future; I have more respect for artists that take part in the writing process songs that they perform.

This has been mentioned many times. Too many times already.
But the truth is, Alizée, Mylène & Laurent work as a trio. None of them can do without the other two. They need eachother. And therefore they all play an important role in selling that music. True, Alizée takes most of the credit, but She wouldn't sell as much as She does now, if there wouldnt be M&L. Same goes for L&M too - they need Alizée.
Sure things could be very different. Alizée could work with someone else. Laurent could write music for other people. Mylene could find another person, who would write her music. Yet, the current system works. Why change it, if there is a chance of ruining it?

How many 19 year olds write their own songs, and if so, how many are successful?
and also the fact that Gourmandises the Album for example, is Alizée expected to write her own songs at 16?

Unbelieveable that people continuously moan about this.

Moan is a bit of a harsh word. I don't think anyone asked that the system be changed... but even I would be interested to see Alizée pen a song or two on future albums. It's not as common with pop, I guess, but most of the metal bands I listen to are comprised of 17-25 year-olds who write their own material. Nightwish started out before most members reached twenty, for example. I'm not "successful", but I've been writing songs since 15... heh, let me contribute one to the next album!
:lol:

[John]

I hope Alizee would try writing a few songs in the future; I have more respect for artists that take part in the writing process songs that they perform.

This has been mentioned many times. Too many times already.
But the truth is, Alizée, Mylène & Laurent work as a trio. None of them can do without the other two. They need eachother. And therefore they all play an important role in selling that music. True, Alizée takes most of the credit, but She wouldn't sell as much as She does now, if there wouldnt be M&L. Same goes for L&M too - they need Alizée.
Sure things could be very different. Alizée could work with someone else. Laurent could write music for other people. Mylene could find another person, who would write her music. Yet, the current system works. Why change it, if there is a chance of ruining it?

How many 19 year olds write their own songs, and if so, how many are successful?
and also the fact that Gourmandises the Album for example, is Alizée expected to write her own songs at 16?

Unbelieveable that people continuously moan about this.


I have to agree, why change something that works.
However, I don't think Alizee is skilled enough to write her own lyrics at this current time. I am sure she contributes in the trio but I think the role Mylene plays is too huge for Alizee to even try without her.

[squeaky ladida]

I hope Alizee would try writing a few songs in the future; I have more respect for artists that take part in the writing process songs that they perform.

This has been mentioned many times. Too many times already.
But the truth is, Alizée, Mylène & Laurent work as a trio. None of them can do without the other two. They need eachother. And therefore they all play an important role in selling that music. True, Alizée takes most of the credit, but She wouldn't sell as much as She does now, if there wouldnt be M&L. Same goes for L&M too - they need Alizée.
Sure things could be very different. Alizée could work with someone else. Laurent could write music for other people. Mylene could find another person, who would write her music. Yet, the current system works. Why change it, if there is a chance of ruining it?

How many 19 year olds write their own songs, and if so, how many are successful?
and also the fact that Gourmandises the Album for example, is Alizée expected to write her own songs at 16?

Unbelieveable that people continuously moan about this.


I have to agree, why change something that works.
However, I don't think Alizee is skilled enough to write her own lyrics at this current time. I am sure she contributes in the trio but I think the role Mylene plays is too huge for Alizee to even try without her.

I thought of it that way too
Alizée is very young, and even many developed artists get other people to write their songs
so her being that young kinda makes it OK in my eyes that she doesn't write her own songs
but it is her voice that carries those songs, her voice that i hear
and that much alone is enough for me to appreciate

I still can't quite get used to all the lip synching though...

[monkeygod]

I hope Alizee would try writing a few songs in the future; I have more respect for artists that take part in the writing process songs that they perform.

This has been mentioned many times. Too many times already.
But the truth is, Alizée, Mylène & Laurent work as a trio. None of them can do without the other two. They need eachother. And therefore they all play an important role in selling that music. True, Alizée takes most of the credit, but She wouldn't sell as much as She does now, if there wouldnt be M&L. Same goes for L&M too - they need Alizée.
Sure things could be very different. Alizée could work with someone else. Laurent could write music for other people. Mylene could find another person, who would write her music. Yet, the current system works. Why change it, if there is a chance of ruining it?

How many 19 year olds write their own songs, and if so, how many are successful?
and also the fact that Gourmandises the Album for example, is Alizée expected to write her own songs at 16?

Unbelieveable that people continuously moan about this.

I wasn't moaning about it. I said it was NOT something i disliked, rather that it was something that could be better for her so she can grow as an artist. It's something id hope for her to try in the future. Maybe just 1 or 2 songs to start out. I dont expect her to write a whole song by herself, she could cowrite some of the lyrics or the melody with the help of MF and LB.

[benficabeatsporto]

How many 19 year olds write their own songs, and if so, how many are successful?

Delta Goodrem :mrgreen:

[Axeman]

I don't like it if any artists don't write their own songs in general. It's always better if a artist start writing songs on his own and then make some years without being
succesfull. And then grow into the scene step by step instead of being thrown into that pool of sharks right from the start.
In Alizée's case, I don't think she took much part on the writing process. She says that all the time and if she did why didn't she get any credits?
Now of course, complaining about it, is kinda useless but I really hope she starts writing her own songs more and more.
It's hard for me to take an artist really serious if he didn't write his own stuff. It always looks a bit like a marionette. And there are too much of that in the pop-buisiness.

[N1ght]

dito,

but theres another thing i dislike, its all these secrets, i can understand if someone wants to keep his private life private, but sometimes the fans need some informations just to hear something of their idol

[Axeman]

I know many popular metal bands, where the band members regulary take part in the forum. For example Annihilator, they are quite popular for a metal band and
Jeff Waters the leader of the bamd who writes most of the music is nearly everyday in the forum to talk to the fans. That's very cool. For example a fan
asked about Jeff's Guitar Setup and he instantly told him every detail. That's a very cool thing imo

[mot]

The Metallica guys do alot for fans too. Private gigs, meetings, extra stuff etc. But you do have to pay for being a member ofcourse.

But I wouldn't mind paying all my cash if Alizée would do those things for a private fanclub.

[squeaky ladida]

The Metallica guys do alot for fans too. Private gigs, meetings, extra stuff etc. But you do have to pay for being a member ofcourse.

But I wouldn't mind paying all my cash if Alizée would do those things for a private fanclub.

amen
man that would be great...
*ponders*
*gets slapped back into reality*
crap, boss coming

[Joseph]

lol im getting a job next year too.
but what job lets you use a computer at your age??

[squeaky ladida]

lol, are you saying that most jobs ban 16 y/os from using computers?
I'm an automations assistant at the Emory University Biochemistry Lab's automations section
there also happens to be a computer nearby

[Joseph]

! That sounds like you work with robots or something lol

I'm just gonna be at H-E-B! LOL

[squeaky ladida]

H-E-B?
and yes, there are robots here

[BLADEEK]

Heh...
1. I think for writing songs and presentate them on such a big public perfrmances as Alizée has human must have an extra talant.
2. I don't see any need to change anything in A&L&M trio..Everything is goin'good. Of coure it might will go better but who knows. But you'll say it's time to risk. Dunno what tpo say then....
3. @Ayan...She's alost 20 though :P :lol:

[DMB]

I read the majority of the posts but not all so sorry if there is a repost in here.

How many 19 year olds write their own songs, and if so, how many are successful?
and also the fact that Gourmandises the Album for example, is Alizée expected to write her own songs at 16?

Ok this pissed me off and now I must respond to this thread as well. The majority of artists start to write/create music when they’re in high school this is well before any of them turn 19. If you consider the majority of rock (at least in the US) many bands become famous when the musicians are in their early 20’s. Most people aren’t talented enough to just start writing hits right away so this means they must have started pre-19 so to speak. And check out Michelle Branch.

I think I saw her with a tongue peircing, I really dislike that...

It lets my mind wander…

The lipsynching - and how often she lipsyncs. I realize this is the norm for European performers, but i wish i could hear Lili live more often. I blame it on the music industry.

YES! But I accidentally created another whole thread on this so I won’t go into detail. See “Alizee’s secret”

2) The fact that she is primarily known for her sexy image. Especially after the JEAM performance, Alizee has exploded all over the internet, mostly in the form of animated avatars. And while any publicity is good publicity, I wish people (people who arent already Alizee fans) would like her for other reasons as well.

These things are irrelevant to her career so wouldnt not apply to the topic. What you are talking about is her personal life.

I’m sure they do like her for other reasons but the way I explain this is by differentiating between pop-stars/artists. Pop-stars are not only musicians. They are a character/personality that the music industry has put together to sell records. And unfortunately/(not unfortunately?) sex sells. Because of this, part of her career is her image, and therefore what she does in her personal life directly affects her career. That’s why pop-stars never make it for more then 10 years. A character or personality gets old after a while, and they have to be extremely careful not to fuck up even the slightest bit. *See Brittany Spears. However, an artist creates original music; which lives on forever. It is for this reason that I don’t think that Alizee should come to the US. There are already more then enough pop-stars and one (I’m gonna say it) that is hotter than Alizee. Yes I’m speaking of Lindsay Lohan. I don’t think it’s necessary to add more right now.

Ok i'm tired of typing so I'm going to stop now. I know this does not apply to most people here, but the Admistrator stated that people get mean when people criticize her. For those of you who will label me as a the resident "Alizee hater," I am no such thing. There is only so many times you can post about how much you love Alizee. And that's already been done so there's no need for me to post it again for the 100000th time. It's more intersting discussing her flaws.

peace 8)
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[Ayan]

You are not an Alizée hater.
However, you are a terrible judge of characters.
Basically you are new. You dont know much of anything about Her. So why are you making such bold statements about it?
Popstars never make it more than 10 years? Hello where have you been living ?
Im not talking about the new generation wannabe britneys and boybands who make commercial crap.
There are a lot of talented popartists out there. Its a shame that you dont know this.

The majority of artists start to write/create music when they’re in high school this is well before any of them turn 19. If you consider the majority of rock (at least in the US) many bands become famous when the musicians are in their early 20’s. Most people aren’t talented enough to just start writing hits right away so this means they must have started pre-19 so to speak.
^ these people create a whole lot of crap wich is not appealing to anyone.
It doesnt sell and it is not good to listen for the majority of people. Bad example.

Any other things you want to "discuss", before you take your time and ACTUALLY learn about Alizée, before making yourself look like anotherone of those people, who think they have it all figured out, and then, after actually understanding the subject, they realize their earlier mistakes, and are in shame.


no actual commas were harmed during the writing of that post.

[DMB]

You are not an Alizée hater.
However, you are a terrible judge of characters.
Basically you are new. You dont know much of anything about Her. So why are you making such bold statements about it?
Popstars never make it more than 10 years? Hello where have you been living ?
Im not talking about the new generation wannabe britneys and boybands who make commercial crap.
There are a lot of talented popartists out there. Its a shame that you dont know this.

If you look at the percentage of lasting recognized pop-stars to other old artists that are still considered as influential/great, I am right. You lose. I know the pop-stars and I enjoy their music. But by no means do I respect their song writing talent, which goes much deeper than being able to sing music that is put in front of you.However, let it be noted that Madonna, and Michael Jackson did write some of their music. They were not completely pawns of the media. Also, they had something to add to the music culture, they were not just playing the game. When you think influential music do you think, New kids on the block? or Led Zepplin, Nirvana, Beatles, Hendrix etc. These are the people that shaped music.

these people create a whole lot of crap wich is not appealing to anyone.
It doesn’t sell and it is not good to listen for the majority of people. Bad example.

Musicians don’t make music to sell records and make money. If they do, then they’re “sell outs” and they fall into the “pop” category. When an artist writes a song, it’s a piece of self-expression that will be bought by those who it relates to. It’s an art. Pop music has generic lyrics with standard background music so of course it will be bought and liked by the masses. That does not make it superior by any means. It is an excellent example. You lose again.

Any other things you want to "discuss", before you take your time and ACTUALLY learn about Alizée, before making yourself look like anotherone of those people, who think they have it all figured out, and then, after actually understanding the subject, they realize their earlier mistakes, and are in shame.

The point of a forum is to state and develop ones views, whether they be right are wrong. I’m learning about her by posting these comments and my posts have been thought out and I will not regret them later. If I am convinced otherwise later, it’s not like I’m going to be denial or be ashamed of what I once thought. Views change. So in conclusion. You lose again. Three strikes your out. http://thatsjustnotright.com/board/html/emoticons/finger.gif

[Ayan]

Please... :roll:

[DMB]

^^ Please what? "please shut up?" "please I don't want argue any more?" I'm actually curious to see what you have to say. 8) If you believe otherwise prove me wrong.

[DavidAlizée]

I’m learning about her

So your learning.....ohh, and i thought you were slagging her off in every post....

[Backinblack]

Once again, nothing wrong with criticizing her. Just as long as you don't step out of line, and you're willing to rationally prove your argument.

You're right, Alizée is a pop star. No question about that. However, I have to disagree with this line:
Pop music has generic lyrics with standard background music so of course it will be bought and liked by the masses. That does not make it superior by any means.

"Generic lyrics." I don't mean to criticize you if you're new to Alizée's world, but Mylène Farmer's lyrics are hardly "generic."

And the French music market isn't identical to the American (and British) market. Currently, only a very few artists become popular at a young age by writing their own songs (Jérémy would be an exception, but he's hardly A-list material). Alizée has never expressed interest in writing her own songs. When she has one of the most successful songwriting duos in French music history doing the work for her, why change a good thing? Just for credibility? I hardly think that's the most important thing on her mind right now.

[Snatcher42]

Ok, just skimming through and would like to respond to DMB. Backinblack sorta hit it - the key difference between Alizée and other pop stars (which in itself, keep in mind, isn't necessarily a bad or negative thing) is her producers: Mylène Farmer and Laurent Boutonnat. They write her music and lyrics, and they are true artists (Mylène has many of her own records). They form a trio - Alizée providing the performance talent (which she has in spades), Mylène and Laurent providing the artistry.

So, if we want to say that Alizée is a "product" like other pop-stars (which may anger some, but it's basically true), the difference between her and, say, Britney Spears is that Spears is a product created by agents, businessmen, and the industry. Alizée is a product created by artists.

And as BIB said, Mylène's lyrics are far from generic. To get an idea of how much is put into each song, check out this fascinating thread:

http://www.mf-international.com/viewtopic.php?t=1074&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

You'll never look at Alizée the same way again.

And guys, ease up on the newbie. I know how it feels - I've only been here a month myself... but it's true, DMB - maybe you should learn a little bit more about Alizée.

:roll:

[DMB]

They write her music and lyrics, and they are true artists (Mylène has many of her own records). They form a trio - Alizée providing the performance talent (which she has in spades), Mylène and Laurent providing the artistry ... Britney Spears is that Spears is a product created by agents, businessmen, and the industry. Alizée is a product created by artists.


^^ I can definitely see that. I'm not going to let myself give in so easily so I must add that regardless of who’s she is a product of; I still believe she is still a product of somebody mainly created to make money and I don't like that idea. But I do understand now that she is more than your average Spears or Lohan.

And guys, ease up on the newbie. I know how it feels

^^ Appreciated 8)

[Snatcher42]

They write her music and lyrics, and they are true artists (Mylène has many of her own records). They form a trio - Alizée providing the performance talent (which she has in spades), Mylène and Laurent providing the artistry ... Britney Spears is that Spears is a product created by agents, businessmen, and the industry. Alizée is a product created by artists.


^^ I can definitely see that. I'm not going to let myself give in so easily so I must add that regardless of who’s she is a product of; I still believe she is still a product of somebody mainly created to make money and I don't like that idea. But I do understand now that she is more than your average Spears or Lohan.

Well, don't think anyone can deny that money is a big factor - but I honestly think Mylène saw something she wanted to express through Alizée when Lili appeared on Graine de Stars (Mylène and Laurent were having casting calls at the time, looking for a teenage singer for their next project). I'm sure they saw Lili as someone who could sell records, but also as what they were looking for from an artistic point of view as well (sorta like Arjen Anthony Lucassen and Astrid van der Veen of Ambeon (http://www.ayreon.com/projects/project.php?project_id=3)).

[DMB]

Ok so is Lili a nickname? or is this her real name. Or is Alizee her real name. Or is that her last name. Or is Lili her last name. Or are they both not real names? Or are they both nicknames? :shock:

[Snatcher42]

Alizée = real (first) name
Lili = nickname

[jon]

Alizée Jacotey is her name. Lili is what her friends (and people on the forum, I guess) call her. An nickname.

[DMB]

Awesomeness

aLIzee LIli... i'm catching on.

[John]

Been reading all and almost done reading the press pages!

Here is a question Alizee was asked:

Would you go out with a guy with long hair? Kevin.
Alizee: No, I couldn't do it even if it was Brad Pitt!

Since people hate the fact that someone might disagree on some issues it doesn't mean its bad :) If you can be so rude when I say it....well what do you say now that Alizee has said it?... :) We all have our own preferences...and saying something we dislike doesn't mean we dislike that person!

Just making a point for all those that couldn't understand what one's opinion really is.

[AliZee4ever <3]

we are speaking about her career, not about person... and nobody is perfect!

[Manu]

I still believe she is still a product of somebody mainly created to make money and I don't like that idea

"to make money"... hmm what did you expect, then? Being a singer is a job, not charity. Don't you work for money? Haven't you been studying to get a job and to earn money? Do you really think that Universal and Mylène&Laurent are spending time and raising money on Alizée just cos that's a hobby for them? Cos it's art? Are you planning a revolution to change this world or anything? Cos that's the way it is (unfortunately).
If what she does wasn't profitable, then those guys wouldn't risk losing money and we wouldn't know about her anymore. But it is, and we win. I don't care about anybody else :afro:

[DMB]

I'm adding that she has fake boobs to the list.

http://img12.exs.cx/img12/7963/Alizee_Beach_02.jpg


Fans deny it. Specialists confirm it.

[Faze]

I dont agree with that.. What Specialists are you talking about? show me proof and i'll believe it

[Backinblack]

The implants subject has been discussed to death. Let's not bring it up again.

[DMB]

The implants subject has been discussed to death. Let's not bring it up again.

mah bad. but just to answer faze


copied from another forum:
But when people go and argue that the scar is not from plastic surgery, they are in denial. Look at older pictures of Alizée, and you'll won't see any scars. Look at Alizée on Italian MTV, April 25th 2002, and you can see she has small breasts, look at Alizée on FestvalBar, June 16th 2002, and she has large boobies. And then look at Alizée's armpits, and all of a sudden there is a scar there that wasn't there before.
Come on people, a girl's boobs don't grow that much in less then two months. This sort of extreme growth only happens at the beginning of puberty, and even then, it's still very fast. Going from cub B to cub D normally takes about a year when a girl is 13 or 14.

Link: http://www.alizeeforum.de/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2352&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[Faze]

you can spare the lesson in female purberty...
as BIB said lets drop this now