In love with her.

[loveherfromusa]

Can any of you explain why I love Alizée? It doesn't make any sense. Where did my love come from? I know she is the most beautiful and sexiest woman on the planet, but is that enough to explain my love? She charms me when she speaks, even when I don't understand her. I'd rather watch her drink water than watch anyone else dance naked. What is wrong with me?

Just asking.

[Joseph]

It probably came from charm, which you prolly were under when you first saw your first video. She's put faith in your mind that the world is a better place; the people who dwell on it aren't all morons. And yes, you'd rather watch her doing anything rather than porn because now, porn is empty. Alizée fills your life now, and this is the time where you go write a literature piece, be it a poem, story or even a memoir of future events.
*me*
:cheesy: :cheesy:

GOOD LUCK LOVERHERFROMTHEUSA!

[haloraven]

I think you answered part of your question...though Faze and I have been contemplating that exact question....and Ill say what Ive always said.....there are no words to describe how and why...we do......I attempted to atleast get how i feel on paper....and ive posted this before...but what the hell...

I awake imagining your face, your eyes shining.
Holding this long desired moment
upon my open heart.
Morning by morning,
a witness to such a wonder.
Yet it is an enigma,
how God created You so perfectly.
How I long for a brush of your lips,
revealing every testimonial I hold dear upon my breast.
What a fascinating dream,
effecting every waking hour.
Gently caressing your face,as a feather.
Sleeping, you smile softly.
Such warmth permeating my soul.
How I wish to hold you,
to feel alive again...even for a moment.
So lost in your eyes, like a shadow,
lost among the sun.
To hold you would be perpetual heaven,
as I cradle an Angel in sweet embrace.

Well...atleast I tryed........if you truly want to know...try writing.....just start anywhere...the first thing that pops in your head....and go from that.

[Joseph]

Oh, yes. Collections of words (not nessecarily poems) are great... do what I did- wait till everything is quiet, go to your grandmothers house (as it is garanteed silence) from 1AM to 5AM watch every Alizée video you have then have every song on Winamp while you jot down all the feelings and such, making a poem out of it as possible. Heres mine:
http://img70.exs.cx/img70/4378/JosephsTri-buteBIGVERSION.jpg


Try it out, Loveherfromtheusa... you might like it. Finding the right pictures is also fun and expressive on what you see of the Goddess:)
:cheesy:

Truly, she is So Benevolent To Me, Merci Alizée ^^)
also the middle paragraph last word is acrostic.

now we need a concrete poem:)
or the one where you draw her face with words ! That would be HARD.

[DavidAlizée]

wow.. NICE ^^^^


yeah joseph..about the poem... it would be good if everyone from the forum, just says 1 line. then we put it all togeather....and maybe send it to her. maybe too late for her birthday now, but when its finished, it might be nice to do this.

[DavidAlizée]

yeah joseph..about the poem... it would be good if everyone from the forum, just says 1 line. then we put it all togeather....and maybe send it to her. maybe too late for her birthday now, but when its finished, it might be nice to do this.

[Jaycubed]

You wanna know why you are in love with her? why you feel this way?

You can feel it i'm sure, but i mean is there a literal explanation for being in love? and if so, do you need one? You are in love, that is all i need to know when i think of it anyway. Alizée is the most wonderful person and incredibly beautiful in every single way. Unlike any other, she stands out from the crowd, for so many reasons.

She is so talented, but is modest with it. Her voice is the most beautiful sound you will ever hear, she is the sweetest girl. The perfect girl. Love isn't limited, it doesn't have to come from anywhere and it doesn't run out or have any boundries...you fell in love with her, because she's Alizée, and you love who she is. There isn't really anyway else to describe it.

You mentioned the fact you prefer seeing her drink water example...it's just another facet of being in love. Anything she does is so wonderful because it's her who is doing it, it's impossible to explain Love in words as we all now but using the word can explain a little or why you feel it. She's so wonderful, falling in love with her is something that is so natural, Love just happens, it can't be planned or forecasted, and well you have fallen for her too. And your last phrase, 'What is wrong with me?' well nothing is wrong, maybe as far as to say everything is right. You've fallen in love with the most beautiful woman to ever exist, why do you love her? cos she is Alizée, nothing more needs to be said, you know who she is, and you love her for who she is.

I could ask myself the same question, and well yeah why is the biggest 3 letter word, (maybe even a bigger 3 letter word than 'Big' itself :P ) but then when you look into her eyes, or hear her voice, don't you get all the answers you need right there? cos i do.

[Napoleon]

I think the last post sums it up nicely about love for anyone.

[BLADEEK]

I think I love her so much just because she's special girl. She has osmething what can charm everybody on some level...Somebody more somebody less...but still charms everybody...For example me...I can watch her vids for 4-6 hours w/o any break...watch the same video...and it doens't become boring or something like that...I'm very happy when i here Alizée singing somewhere here in Lviv..or even more when i saw her MVs showing on TV. I'm happy when i see her on the photos..I hourly view my video collection and watch every video noticing any detailes which weren't noticed before..I just adore her ... And I completely agree with ILHFU(author of this topic) that she's most beautiful woman all over the planet! :P :P :P :P :P

[jon]

I think that there is an explanation for love but I was blasted the last time I said it :lol: . But you asked, so I can try and see if you like my answer.

but then when you look into her eyes, or hear her voice,

That kind of is a start of what I was going to say. I think love is an evaluation of two unconsciousses (if I spelled that right :? ). When a person speaks of "love at first sight" he means that in the first few moments that he spent with this person, he and she evalutated eachother automatically and liked how the other person looked at them or talked to them or reacted with them (whether this person looked down at you ar looked at you like a friend, etc.).

In your case, where you don't see this girl personally and she doesn't see you at all, it is one-sided. You immeadiately saw how she reacted with people in general and the grace and gratitude with which she does it. This translated emotionally the same way it would as if you were in person (which is not necassarily true). And that was what made you love her. Oh yeah, and her beauty :mrgreen: .

It makes sense to me that that is how I think love works. I think I might have been unclear so I will elaborate if you want. Sorry for the unclarity :lol:

[Joseph]

you are versed in the ways concerning the human psyche for a 15 year old, I must say, Jon:)

[BLADEEK]

you are versed in the ways concerning the human psyche for a 15 year old, I must say, Jon:)
Something like that...this topic gained unexpectable interesting post base...=)

[Napoleon]

I think jon sums up love and why we liek alizee to the point.. lots of thought into that.

[Jaycubed]

Well Jon, i hope you aren't thinking of love as being the top rung on the ladder, cos that's not how love works....

It's not like there is 'I like' then the next rung is 'i really like' then just above that is 'i'm in love' That's totally not how it works. There would have to be 1 foot between 'I like and 'I really like' and then a thousand miles between 'I really like' and 'I'm in love' To show the gulf that is the difference between really liking and being in love with someone.

Now...that's the thing, we don't use our brain and past experiences and Evaluations to fall in love. And as you said 'he and she evalutated eachother automatically and liked how the other person looked at them or talked to them or reacted with them '....well liked is not the right word, but then neither is loved really, because loved just seems like a more extreme form of liked. Where falling in love, and being in love, it's not about thinking much really, you feel it in your heart, not in your head. Love is too powerful for reason, when you are in love, you know it and why? cos it's unlike anything that can be felt or thought or anything, nothing is ever as powerful as love. And you can only know that when you've been in love or are in love.

Love Isn't something that can be explained by thought, reason, concepts or formulas. It's unexplainable, it can happen at anytime and at anyplace, Why? that cannot be explained. How?, that can't be either. I am in love with Alizée because....She is Alizée. Everything about her i have fallen in love with, even things that others may see as faults or imperfections just make her who she is, so i love them all the same. In fact, if this 'imperfections' were 'perfected' so to speak, then it wouldn't be the same. Perfect is a word that is too weak when talking about Alizée and why i'm in love, but as words are all i can use here, that's a word i a forced to use.

Anyway Jon one more quote from you...

'I think that there is an explanation for love but I was blasted the last time I said it'

There ya go then, blasted a second time :wink: , it's nothin personal, but it's about Love so i wanted to say this..no offense eh? :P

[Napoleon]

jaycubed has the best sig on the site-

Alizée is what angels wish they were....

She is everything to me. I love you Alizée with all my heart and soul. I will love you always

[Manu]

Well said, Sean, I really know what you're talking about. Love can not be explained so easy. I wouldn't look for a 'why' in love; if you feel it, then you know it's there. In my opinion, every try explaining what love is will be kinda unsuccessful, futile.

[John]

Physical attraction is a huge issue here. We cannot deny it. But its not the biggest issue why we adore her so much. Even with her new messed up hairstyle I still think of her as the same. Its not my type of hairstyle but doesn't change much if anything. However if she lost her amazing beauty and looked like martha stewart(sorry martha)...many people would be tossing Alizee to the side. If that happened things would change for most people. I am just speaking the truth.

Anna Nicole Smith is a pretty good example of this....sexy to ugly and not popular and now back to near good looking but not her prime ofcourse and gaining popularity.

I am not saying all of you would ditch her or totally get rid of her, but her beauty is one of the biggest charms that turns people on (and not sexually). She is just art in my eyes, if the art faded away, I am not sure how I would cope with it.
(For the slow ones, Art represents her beauty, if it fades away I don't know how I would react to the change)....just my opinion.

[Joseph]

That might be agreeable, John, but I can't look at someone and just think "Sexy" because I have to think- how the hell does she act? She's a pig. She is selfish, and given 1000 dollars would prolly blow it on a manicure and starve to death. And to add to that, NO, Anna Nicole Smith is NOT sexy IMO she is ugly as disgruntled yesteryears' street prostitute.

Second, I don't agree with "new messed up" describing her hairstyle. I love it IMO.

Thirdly, love, as they say, is blind. If she were to turn into some demon with horns and stomp around and such, it wouldn't matter if you were truly, and that is TRULY in love with her...

And yes I agree with you, when people first see her that have many reactions...

http://www.muchosucko.com/img4884T.html

That made me sick to my stomach:/

Before anybody met her they were like that prolly because they never knew what a truly beautiful person is, what they could acomplish... how different from your run of the mill Britney Spears she is. Bach. but they prolly won't ever know, and that's what I'm thankful for. I don't want that webpage to get any bigger with comments like that.



:cry:

Again with your point John, yes it is a big issue. But when your in love with someone it's just like that movie Merlin; he never gave up on her and I wouldn't either.

[John]

That was a very good post Joseph. The "messed up" was just saying I don't prefer it. But its not my hair so was just expressing my opinion :).
My love for Alizee is unique. I can't describe it. Don't know where to start really. All I have of Alizee is her love for her beauty and her love for her music. All I am saying it that it would hurt to lose one of those. I'll be a fan forver, don't doubt that, but loss of her image or music would be painful no?

[Man from U.N.C.L.E]

I agree with some of the comments posted her, such as John said about her looks. Lets face it, If Alizee wasnt as insatiablly good looking as she is, I think most people here would not be on this forum. I also think that people here would not like her as much if she didnt meet there expectations ( for example, the boob job thingy was a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people, as was getting married in Las Vegas). Anyway, my point is if Alizee turn out to be a right, um, Nasty person (I think thats the best way to put it) then people on this forum would be shocked because she hasnt met there expectations. My point is (if I have one) that I think people here see Alizee as what she could be, maybe as what she should be, but in reality she might not be like they imagine (I think thats why Mylene played the mistery angle first of all, because people like to fill in the blanks of Alizee's personality with there 'ideal woman', whether they consciously know it or not).

[Ayan]

^ your first post made far more sense and seemed a lot more reasonable. And i agreed with most of it. You made many good points and it was good to read it.
But this is just nonsense. You are talking about something, wich in theory may apply to Alizée, but it doesnt. Why? Because you have ignored most of the facts people know of Alizée, and you seem to have replaced them with something else.

[Man from U.N.C.L.E]

^ like what? I really dont get what you mean. In the last part of the post I was talking about Alizee's personality, which, to my knowledge ( and I think to most people here) is still fairly vague in term of how much we know of what she is really, really like. And the mistery angle thingy, all I meant by that was Mylene played on the fact that if people dont know much about a person, they will fill in the blanks using the few things they know about that person (in Alizees case, the way she moves, smiles etc - which is all perfect).

I hope this makes sense (even though I dont think it does).

[Axeman]

I agree with Man from U.N.C.L.E. If she weren't that good-looking and having not
that unmatched charm, that I've never experienced before, then there weren't so
many sites on the net about her and a own DC++ Hub with guys who have 20+GB
of vids of her (me included).
Ask yourself the question what you were the most impressed of as you first saw her?
If the answer has really nothing to do with her look&charm, then I'm really impressed.

[Man from U.N.C.L.E]

^To be Really honest, the first thing I liked when I saw Moi...Lolita was the song itself and the way the Music video was filmed - the video always reminded me of something although I dont know what. So, for me it wasnt love at first site or anything like that, I just liked the whole video.

[John]

Ask yourself the question what you were the most impressed of as you first saw her?
If the answer has really nothing to do with her look&charm, then I'm really impressed.

I don't really understand that. Maybe I am just slow...but when I first discovered Alizee it had nothing to do with her looks. I listened to about 10 of her songs before I ever saw her. I was impressed with the voice/talent when I first heard her. But when I first "saw" her obviously that made a huge difference.

So the real question is, when you look at someone, what should you be looking for?

[Snatcher42]

Yeah, it's a tricky question... and I bet with most of us, the answer is a bit of both. Alizée just brings everything to the table, so to speak.

Like, my first exposure to her was a little over two years ago when my bro played an mp3 of Moi... Lolita for me. I thought it was good, but honestly at the time it didn't blow me away. A few month later I saw the music video for that while visiting France. Again I liked the song, and I noticed that the singer was rather pretty... but again I was not too impressed.

Then over the course of next year or two I would occasionally come across a JEAM gif or something like that on a message board. I thought they were rather hot indeed, but I still didn't take a great deal of notice.

So then a few months ago I was just searching for something to do, and I figured 'what the hell' and downloaded some Alizée songs, pictures, and videos. My reaction was that she was not only more beautiful than I had first thought, but that her songs and albums were a whole lot better as well.

So what do I like? Well, I guess I like everything about her. If a wicked witch cursed her and made her ugly, I suppose I wouldn't download and watch so many videos... but I'd continue to play her music just as much!

[John]

So what do I like? Well, I guess I like everything about her. If a wicked witch cursed her and made her ugly, I suppose I wouldn't download and watch so many videos... but I'd continue to play her music just as much!


I am right with you. I would still be her fan forever. I would still want her autograph and such, but things really would change.

[jon]

Heh heh, got here kinda late :mrgreen:

Sean, you are entitled to your opinion as always but I don't understand your reasoning. To me it seems that you reject my explanation because you don't want it to lose any of it's magic. My explanation may have made sense but you felt that that couldn't be all there was to love. Or I could just be projecting again :? ...

Either way, I do agree with Man From U.N.C.L.E. that when it comes down to it, we don't know what her personality really is. Famous people often have a private personality as well as a public one. But based on probability and just how she is when we see her, we have to agree that she's not putting on a show. But it's based on probablility nonetheless.

I also think that axeman hit the nail on the head as for finding the word I was looking for to describe her: grace. That's surely one of her best traits.

[Manu]

If Alizée was ugly blah blah blah... if my mother was a man, would she be my father...?
There's no use in wondering such things, guys.

[jon]

if my mother was a man, would she be my father...?

Haha, my dad always says that. Really, no point in "what-ifs". I think your wuestion is: Is her beauty the essential reason I like her, or an accidental one?

[loveherfromusa]

I think you answered part of your question...though Faze and I have been contemplating that exact question....and Ill say what Ive always said.....there are no words to describe how and why...we do......I attempted to at least get how i feel on paper....and ive posted this before...but what the hell...
Well...at least I tryed........if you truly want to know...try writing.....just start anywhere...the first thing that pops in your head....and go from that.

Beautiful. I need to try poetry. I always thought a poet should go up on the space shuttle. I'm sure most astronauts can't see space and the earth from miles up as well as a poet. I've written poetry before. I'll try to write about Alizée. It will be difficult. Thanks.

[Snatcher42]

Strangest thing... whenever I try to write poetry about Alizée, it always comes out friggin dark!
:roll:

[loveherfromusa]

Strangest thing... whenever I try to write poetry about Alizée, it always comes out friggin dark!
:roll:

Is that because you think you will never be with her like you want to be, or because there is something dark about her?

[Snatcher42]

A bit of both I think, and the fact that I can't even really know much about her (work in progress: "So again I’m left to question the image // Of that which is flat yet seems so deep // Not unlike the tired songs // Of madmen, poets, and sheep")... and there is just something dark about me (I LOVE horror movies, heh heh).

Viva la madness and, uh, don't mind me. :roll:

[Joseph]

hmmm mine isn't dark but one time I had a dream I thought was sick at the time... i was watching a concert and this guy jumped out and like threatened Her... at first I was like "omg how could i dream this" and then like I had well nevermind here it is, straight from the book I'm writing "The Life and Times of Joseph Roth" (not a memoir but a record of FUTURE events)

"And then the crowd cheered! And I included, seeing Alizée truly in front of my own eyes... and as she stared across the crowd she happened to glance upon the handmade carbon-copy one of her necklaces, (made by Patrick) she smiled, probably figuring out that her life meant this young man's life. The two seconds of that glorious interaction was all he'd live for up to this point; he couldn't help but to tear at the eyes. And then something happened that he knew always would. A man from the crowd, in full view of the entire audience rushed the stage with a hunting knife. Put it to Alizée's neck, to show he had power or something. Power to hold a popular girl hostage, or that of someone who's life had been nothing and he finds satisfaction in trying to break the bond of life that the Goddess has so carefully entwined in all of us? There was no time to think , and as in all the other dreams, I always seemed to have that rifle in my hand at the time. Was this a metaphor? No matter how much you can enjoy those few peaceful moments, you must always be willing to fight, and there is no getting around it? Violence is inevitable? These certainly weren't the values taught in the young persons mind growing up. Were they just trying to desensitize the knowledge that they knew themselves? Why must this always happen!? Leave my Goddess alone!!!

And as he charged while screaming this the stage felt like nothing as he jumped on to it, put the Karabiner98 bolt action rifle he had always preferred and practiced on to his shoulder, seemingly loaded and ready, 5 round clip ready, and he would pull the bolt back without any thought, cock it and then push it forward again, locking it. And Joseph with the help of some long-going obsession would squeeze off the only round he'd ever need, he'd ever want to use, aiming down the beautiful Iron Sights, the Iron that would save his Goddess, and then the man is dead, the 7.92x57mm casing hitting the ground as the crowd is silent... the man lies there, as I pull the bolt back, for no apparent reason. Sling it back on, rush to ALizee who seems to have collapsed, in fear...

"Tu peux toujours compter sur moi, quoi qu'il arrive."

And then tears will fill her dark brown eyes, and only an embrace will be able to come across the feelings of fear, and sudden knowledge... the knowledge that she's in the arms of someone, like many others, someone that she can put her entire safety into, her entire love into... after all, as long as there will be Alizée there will be devotionaries like me who will never lose faith in her.

"Je ne perdrai jamais confiance en toi."


Well, that was very knight and shining armor like. Bach. Joseph Never liked horses anyway. "

yeah i know weirdo BACH to you:)

well I took this, and in the end I applied it not to a sad occurence but to a GUARDIAN perception:) I called myself the Alizee Guardian and then I made that icon I have:) So like, you can turn some bad things into good things. (but Alizée under any danger is sick and never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever,ever, ever, ever, ever,ever, ever, ever, cool, right or justified, and a rifle is still a killing tool, no matter how you look at it. How it is used detirmines its infamy; to blame it is to blame the pencil for making mistakes. :evil:

[Man from U.N.C.L.E]

^I...I'm at a loss for words....what do you say to something like that.....Ooh, I know something that comes to mind:

THAT GOD IT WAS ONLY A DREAM

[Manu]

if my mother was a man, would she be my father...?

Haha, my dad always says that. Really, no point in "what-ifs". I think your wuestion is: Is her beauty the essential reason I like her, or an accidental one?

^XD

Then my answer is "no, her beauty is not the essential reason". I don't become a fan of every good looking girl, and I'm not in the forum of every beautiful female singer (actually, this is the only one). There too are a lot of Alizée fans out there who are girls, and I think you don't need to ask that question to them. You can go to Alliance forums and see it with your own eyes. But, anyway, it'd be impossible to separate the reasons I like her one by one. I already said it once: I like her cos of She herself and her entire aura; I like her cos she is Alizée.

[Joseph]

Right on Manu, and I'm the onyl one that thinks Britney and Christina and Shakira and Olsens and Paris hilton are all ugly as dogs. :/and no I'm not taking that back or minimizing it because in my mind ... I can't even watch FOX..

[DavidAlizée]

lol joseph.. yeah those oslen twins are very overated. But were cool on "two of a kind" on nickelodeon 8)

[Jaycubed]

very nicely said Manu, i love her cos she is Alizée...it's the only way i can say it i find

[Joseph]

I didn't even like their performance in FULL HOUSE to tell you the truth, David.

:?

[Banana357]

Wait, Alizee had breast-enlargement surgery? Did I miss something?

I view all activity I have had in the past several months in regards to Alizee (listening to her music, downloading every J'en ai Marre performance I can get my hands on, even my presence on this forum) to be little more than a temporary infatuation. And I don't think the potential exists for anything serious to take its place. The fact of the matter is that I am a teenager living in America and I have an infinitesimal chance of ever seeing Alizee, let alone meeting her in person. In order to maintain even the temporary infatuation I have to inundate myself with her music and images. Otherwise, it simply goes away. There is nothing anchoring me to Alizee because music, videos, discussion... this is all fleeting and not an accurate representation of Alizee the PERSON. I think it's safe to say that a significant portion of us don't know anything about Alizee the PERSON, only Alizee the IMAGE. The same Alizee that gives interviews, that performs in sexy outfits, that sells millions of CDs. Everything she does exhudes her IMAGE. Only the various paparazzi photos of her dressed as a punk or walking on a beach give us a small glimpse into her personal world. But then again, from what I've read, Alizee is very "shy" and Alizee wants to distance her personal life from what we, the public, see.

I know I'm rambling. My ultimate point is that we do not care for a person, only the image that person has created. And in the end it is virtually impossible to care for the person because we have no access to the person. I believe the feelings of love and such are fleeting toward Alizee, products more of adolescent crushes than anything truly substantial.

[Ayan]

Who is this we you keep mentioning ?

[Axeman]

I agree with Banana357. I don't think we know much about her real personality. She didn't says much about her real life in Interviews.
Maybe some of us could get a bit scared if they knew how she really is.
But ^^ put it very well I think.

[loveherfromusa]

I agree with Banana357. I don't think we know much about her real personality. She didn't says much about her real life in Interviews.
Maybe some of us could get a bit scared if they knew how she really is.
But ^^ put it very well I think.

Why do we need to know about her "real" life? My life with her is a fantasy. I wish her real life were with me, but I know that's not going to happen. She has been very good about keeping much of her personal life hidden. I'm not scared about how she really is, unless she is really a totally false media creation with no reality. That would be scary. I don't think it is true. So far she has been to me a beauty beyond belief and a talent that I hope to follow for many years.

[Axeman]

So far she has been to me a beauty beyond belief and a talent that I hope to follow for many years.

I totally agree with you on that but I don't have fantasies about her or fantasies about being together with her.
I only think she's the most beautiful Person in the World and I really love her music and talents.
I really appreciate that she came in my life but I'm not fantasizing about it.

[HampsterOnSpeed]

If Alizée was ugly blah blah blah... if my mother was a man, would she be my father...?
There's no use in wondering such things, guys.



Good job manu, right on target of what I was going to say...but gonna say anyways...heh. Come on guys, why bother with such discussions...all the 'what ifs' about Lili, I mean, she is the way she is right now (not ugly not....w/e) and I'm pretty darn sure that she won't change all toooooooooo fast in the near future into a different ugly or fat or w/e kind of person. I know there is a lot to this discussion (or maybe not?), but I just wanted to pointed out what Manu had very concisely summed up. If things happen then we will cross that bridge when we get there...until then, just enjoy.
Not knowing her personally...yes yes that's a major major issue, i know, but...do I really need to or want to know all the details of her private life? I mean the very details that suppose to show the 'true' Alizée or something. No I dont need to nor want to know. Because I look at her...I look deep into her eyes...and have discovered a hell of a lot about her as a human being, thats all I need. Well a lot of you guys might be wondering about what exactly i am talking about, well I can't describe it to you (if I am to describe it...then I will be describing Lili...and I know that is a feat that can not be achieved by written language, atleast for me...)I can just show you the way...but have you seriously looked very closely into her bright eyes? If you haven't, do so...if you are lucky, you might just notice somethings very wonderful, her beauty within.

[jon]

^^ That's the way to go Axeman. I can't agree with you more.

[loveherfromusa]

I don't have fantasies about her or fantasies about being together with her. I only think she's the most beautiful Person in the World and I really love her music and talents. I really appreciate that she came in my life but I'm not fantasizing about it.

Fantasies have gotten a bad rap on this site by some posters. If you dream, you have fantasies.

[jon]

To have fantasies and to act one them are two different things. Having fantasies is human nature but acting on them can really hurt you.

[IronRodent]

I totally agree with you on that but I don't have fantasies about her or fantasies about being together with her.
I only think she's the most beautiful Person in the World and I really love her music and talents.
I really appreciate that she came in my life but I'm not fantasizing about it.

The Post of the Thread.
One of the more sensible I've read in this forum thus far...

[Ceaser]

Having fantasies is human nature but acting on them can really hurt you.

You now this reminds me of a documintary i have seen on tv about this 16y old guy who was so upsest with this actress that everytime he saw her kiss somone on tv he got mad.So one day he went to her house and ask her for an autograph she gave him one and then she closed the door but that meeting whas not anothe for him so he knock on the door again and when she opend he shot her and she died.This is a true story.

Sorry abouth the spelling.

[IronRodent]

Having fantasies is human nature but acting on them can really hurt you.

You now this reminds me of a documintary i have seen on tv about this 16y old guy who was so upsest with this actress that everytime he saw her kiss somone on tv he got mad.So one day he went to her house and ask her for an autograph she gave him one and then she closed the door but that meeting whas not anothe for him so he knock on the door again and when she opend he shot her and she died.This is a true story.

Sorry abouth the spelling.

Yes...I hope some of you here never take your obsession this far...:\

[Ayan]

Thanks, im sure most of the mentally unstable looneys, who tend to visit this forum in daily basis, will appreciate the concern.

[loveherfromusa]

Having fantasies about her and being a looney are very far apart. Maybe I should call them dreams rather than fantasies. The difference between dreaming and acting should be an obvious difference.

Axeman: "I only think she's the most beautiful Person in the World and I really love her music and talents. I really appreciate that she came in my life but I'm not fantasizing about it."

Why not? Do you mean that you don't have any dreams? Do you mean you don't hope once in awhile that you could be closer to her? If you don't, why do you think it might be wrong for others to have those dreams?

Unstable loonies of the world unite!! :twisted: :lol: :lol:

[jon]

no, he doesn't mean he hasn't dreamed about her in his life. He simply means that he sees that it's a fantasy and he doesn't dwell on it. A fantasy by definition is not real. And he sticks with the real and the practical.

[Manu]

I just saw today a Renault commercial on the TV where Fernando Alonso, one of the best Formula One pilots at the moment, said: "I know I consider my dreams too important, but it's just I dreamed that one day I'd be a F1 pilot".

It's only and advert, but I think the quote means something...

[haloraven]

^ very well said Manu....thats damn true.

Like ive said all along, there is nothing wrong with having a dream or a fantacy, and its wonderful that someone can actually set a goal for them selves...no matter how crazy they might sound. And truly if that goal is to be apart of Alizées life...in what ever way...i say go for it...."most reality starts with dreams...I know mine has..and look where I am now"......i quoted that from a professor of mine back in highschool.....hes a multi-million book selling author...kinda applies to this id think.
I think the true characer of a single person can be measured in the goals they set and if and how they reach that goal. Im sure yall by now have gotten tired of me saying this but ill say it one more time...just have faith.
I love her with all my heart...and i KNOW in my heart that someday...no matter how long I have to wait...or how many walls stand in my way...Ill have that opportunity to tell Alizée how i feel....no matter if shes merried or not.

[jon]

I think you really need to distinguish between a fantasy and a goal, Pat. They are two completely different things.

What is happening is probably we are thinking of goal and fantasy with two different definitions. Here is how I'm thinking of it:

A goal is something you set for yourself to acheive. A fantasy is something that is set for you by your emotions and you tell yourself that it is achievable and work towards it no matter how unrealistic it seems.

So are you saying that even a fantasy by my definition there is no problem? Or is a fantasy and a goal the same thing by you?

[Tristana]

But how can you love somebody you just don't know ?
Yes, you said you see everything in her eyes... hey, let's be serious please. You don't know the person she is. You know her voice, how she looks, and what she wanna say in interviews.
Don't forget that almost everything she does is created by Mylène Farmer... Alizée doesn't speak a lot in interviews just like Mylène Farmer : it's her way to create popularity around her, because she becomes mysterious.
And if meeting Alizée is your goal in your life... well, I know I'm not allowed to judge anybody there, but don't you think there are other goals ? Like becoming the person you want to be ? Like having the job you like ?... It's more important than meeting a girl you don't even know...
I don't want to hurt you, but it's just my opinion.

[Mr Bond]

I would say that I am fond of her and find her an appealing person basd on what I've learned about her - personality, outlook on life etc. Not comfortable using the word love to discribe how I feel about her but that's just me.

[DavidAlizée]

I can use that word love towards her.. She has just touched so many people, so deep. I cant understand how people can come out and slag Alizée off at times. She never does a thing wrong, never in the press for thr wrong reasons and is a genuine star. I love everything about her.. i know people say, " how can you love someone you never met" well, it happens...

[Jaycubed]

I can really say i love her, i'm in Love with her she's so special to me, what she's done for so many people, how amazing her voice is, how beautiful she is, in every single way. Words can't express anywhere near how special she is, to me and in general. I know better than anyone else how i feel about her, everything about her i adore and cherish, her little laugh, her deep eyes her courtesy and her caring nature...are only 4 of a number of countless things i totally love about her.

I think of her all the time, she's always in my heart, she isn't just a crush, i'd had one of those before, i don't really care what anyone else thinks about how i feel, but i know i'm in love, it's a wonderful feeling, she can make me so happy. Just seeing her name can flip my world upside down....i could talk about her and my feelings for her all day, and actually on msn, i do :D

[Joseph]

I am right now, Jaycubed. ;) (Sean?)

[jon]

I agree that it is impossible to know someone you don't know. What I was talking about is the emotional part of it. Why people claim they get a feeling when they first see them. That, I think, is in the eyes. But it's not anywhere near actually knowing the person. Falling in love with a celebrity is usually falling in love with your emotion's perception of what you want the person to be, not the actual person.

[loveherfromusa]

I just watched several of her videos with my wife. I asked her how she felt about Alizée being my girlfriend. She said that as long as Alizée is in France, and I am here, she has no problem. Well, Alizée, all you need to do is visit me here. When are you coming?

[haloraven]

humm...Ok first off to answer you jon....Yes as a matter of fact...weather you call it a dream...a fantacy..or a goal...they are all in most parts the same....though Id have to say the only difference they have beetween each other is the WAY you come to them. All ive been saying this whole time is believe in something enough and it will become real to you...or youll find a way to achieve it. Atleast to me a dream and a fantacy are one in the same...but in any case untill you achieve a goal no matter the name...its always going to be "your dream"....take for instance ME...For a long long time I dreamed about becoming a videogame artist...i fantacized about how awsome it would be and all the cool stuff i would create for my games....now look at me...im in Game designing school learning to be a game designer....and its my GOAL to become a pro....im not yet...but im damn close.

I hope that can make it a bit clearer for you, we need to look at the totality of what we are speaking about....thats how at least as I understand it...the cycle of setting a goal works...first you must have the inspiration to do so...then you have to want it....and finally you have to have the self determination and focus to reach that goal that youve then set for youself.

Next to comment on the not knowing someone yet loving them....
Ok well first there are like what 8 BILLION people in the world...and im sure there are more than enough people out there to love...or to be loved by. And by fact of the matter is, if you believe in love at first sight, then you would understand. In my phychology class we discussed the developement of an individual..mentaly....and in freudian terms when you are young subconsiencely you pick different things....who you are going to be....how you are going to act...what attracts you...what you dont like.....the list goes on. Well I was able to discuss my attraction and emotional connection a bit with my psych teacher, and she replies to me that it more or less is that freudian connection im having with my subconsience. She is what is known as an "IDEAL" shes my ideal woman, I'm sure there are others out there who would agree with me, and the more I look in to that fact...I find myself being more attracted to women who look like Alizée.

But back to my origional point, thoes of us...Sean, Nathan, Joseph, myself and a hand full of others...are only a very very tiny percent of her fans who can say the truly do love her....and think about it...she has MILLIONS of fans...all around the world, we all love her for our own reasons that i dont care to even bring up right now.....but with me it was love at first sight...the fact that shes a superstar and all that jazz is mearly a material facade that is assoceated with her. And the more I know about her...the more I learn about her...and the more I am bless to experience her...the more I love her...and thats the way it is in my eyes.

[Tristana]

I believe in love at first sight. But not with stars. Why ? Because there is no sight at all... You have never seen her in front of you, being just a teenager of 20. You have just seen what she is on TV, a singer who wants to promote what she does. And what's more, a singer who is "created" by another singer, Mylène Farmer. 'Cause Alizée was not this kind of girl before she met and began to work with Mylène Farmer. She was not sexy, she was just a pretty teenager who wasn't there to talk about sex...
And finally I just wanna quote Jon who has understood what I'm trying to say : "Falling in love with a celebrity is usually falling in love with your emotion's perception of what you want the person to be, not the actual person."

[DavidAlizée]

I believe in love at first sight. But not with stars. Why ? Because there is no sight at all... You have never seen her in front of you..You have just seen what she is on TV

Is there a difference ? Its still love at first sight imo. Also, even if shes wasnt a star, and i seen her walking around Corsica, id feel the same way. Her beauty is beauty is exceptional. Her eyes tell a thousand stories.. I can tell by the way she smiles, and the sound she makes when she laughs..and also on interviews she is a realy nice girl. Always got time for anyone. I also belive as you do about love at first sight, but ive known her for 4 years.. and fell in love with her then, and still feel the same way and always will.

[Ayan]

I believe in love at first sight. But not with stars. Why ? Because there is no sight at all... You have never seen her in front of you, being just a teenager of 20. You have just seen what she is on TV, a singer who wants to promote what she does. And what's more, a singer who is "created" by another singer, Mylène Farmer. 'Cause Alizée was not this kind of girl before she met and began to work with Mylène Farmer. She was not sexy, she was just a pretty teenager who wasn't there to talk about sex...
And finally I just wanna quote Jon who has understood what I'm trying to say : "Falling in love with a celebrity is usually falling in love with your emotion's perception of what you want the person to be, not the actual person."
Damn tristana, your post made a whole lot more sense without the last quote.

However, about the "love at first sight" thing. You are forgetting that there doesnt have to be an actual eye contact. Alizée is not just a picture or an imaginary girl from a video. No. She is real. She is a real person. Why would it matter whether you are seeing a 'projection' of Her or seeing Her in real life. Yes, i imagine that to see Alizée in person would be far more powerful than to see only a picture of Her, but if even a picture can unleash such emotions, then one can only guess what a real eyecontact would feel like.
As for me, i dont belive in love at first sigh. Maybe because i have never experienced it before. But then again, i never belived love existed, until i felt it for the first time.

[Tristana]

Damn tristana, your post made a whole lot more sense without the last quote.

However, about the "love at first sight" thing. You are forgetting that there doesnt have to be an actual eye contact. Alizée is not just a picture or an imaginary girl from a video. No. She is real. She is a real person. Why would it matter whether you are seeing a 'projection' of Her or seeing Her in real life. Yes, i imagine that to see Alizée in person would be far more powerful than to see only a picture of Her, but if even a picture can unleash such emotions, then one can only guess what a real eyecontact would feel like.
As for me, i dont belive in love at first sigh. Maybe because i have never experienced it before. But then again, i never belived love existed, until i felt it for the first time.

Yes... but I'm sorry, people are looking at a singer who is promoting her songs. Not in front of a girl who lives her life. It's really different, yes, because when you meet somebody in the street, he/she hasn't prepared what he/she's gonna say, etc. It's real, not a job, not something the person has thought before and has worked on.
And moreover, when you really meet the person, it's not the same. You can see how she's really, without all this make-up, and you feel her odour... It's not the same, I'm sorry.

[Jaycubed]

I'm Sorry Tristana but if you think that 'make-up' is going to make any difference and odour and such, i mean i am in love with Alizée, i know i am...and i don't care for make-up and odour in the grand scheme of things, my happiness comes from her happiness and contentment, of course the answers she gives in interviews aren't always gonna reveal everything about her, and i wouldn't want her to reveal everything, her privacy is hers to keep to herself and i respect that and i hope everyone else would as well.

And one more thing, you are saying in your last post that...

'when you really meet the person, it's not the same. You can see how she's really, without all this make-up, and you feel her odour... It's not the same, I'm sorry.'

But why be sorry, so because it's not the same when you meet the person, it's easily as possible that meeting the person irl is dare i say it, even better than i can ever have imagined...it can work both ways, but Alizée i know i love her, and i know if i meet her in the future, i'm only gonna fall deeper and deeper in love with her

[haloraven]

Very well said Jaycubed,

I can say with a clear head that even if I met her in highschool...or at a bar...or hell on the street even I would still fall for her....granted maybe not RIGHT away, but just from her look, the way she moves the way she smiles...all of that. It matters not thats shes a star...and even if she were not...i would still feel the same about her...it would just be under a somewhat different situation. I am attracted to women that look like her....hell the first girl I was ever truly in love with looks very very similar to Alizée. No I dont know her, but that really matters not to me. I have alot of faith in my religion, and as sad as it might sound...i did prey alot for god to bring in to my life someone who i could love....that didnt mean physically...just someone to love, and guess what...i then get introduced to Alizée.

All I know is that shes special to me, there truly is no ONE reason why I love her...its just the fact that i do...and I CAN. And above all else she makes me happy. I do what I can to look past the clothing and makeup and the lights....i look at her eyes...at the way she talks...the way she smiles, how she sits...all these things play in to WHAT KIND OF PERSON SHE IS....and I base how i feel about her on these and many other factors. So to say that I or anyone else on here does not KNOW her, that in its self would be a grave miss-statement on your or anyone elses part. The very fact that the hand full of us who LOVE HER...(and can say that with out thinking)...can actually see that and follow it...who have an open mind enough to care about these kind of things...the signals that a person gives off, that is truly how with out a doubt in my mind we as fans can SAY and TELL how she is in her natural ways. We can all read body language (atleast i hope) to some extent, and you can tell by the way people carry themselves how or what kind of person they are....not saying its right to Judge them by just that alone...but its a start to atleast help you begin to fully understand how they are.

...so there. :cheesy:

[loveherfromusa]

J^3 We could have a battle to see who was more in love with her, but my love for her stops me from feeling that combative.

She has the looks, the personality, the sweetness - I would fall in love with her at first site. All the females I have loved have been dark-haired beauties, but none as beautiful as she is. She could win me with a smile or a twinkle of her eyes. Do I say I love her without thinking? Of course I do. I don't believe in gods or angels, but she is what I imagine an angel to be. I have never felt this way about any other personality. Penelope Cruz and Halle Berry are very beautiful, but I have only seen them as visual images that I enjoy. ............. more to say, but you understand by now my feelings.............

[jon]

Yes... but I'm sorry, people are looking at a singer who is promoting her songs. Not in front of a girl who lives her life.


I don't think anyone has really adressed this point. It makes sense and it happens that celebrities have a public personality and a private one. This is a very smart thing to do. If there is a celebrity who has an anger problem, this public personality can cover that flaw up and make more people like him or her. So what makes Alizée different? I'm sure she has in her mind when in a interview that this will affect her career and how many people like her. She doesn't want to mess up and ruin her public image. So how can a person judge her private personality based on her public one?

Another point that I was not clear enough about. Pat, I think the difference between two types of dreams is where they stem from. A dream that is based on a practical goal is one kind. A dream that is stems from an emotional desire is another kind. Your fantasy of becoming a video game artist is based on the practical. You find it fun to design stuff like that and you think you have the skill to make a living out of it. Yeah?

An emotional dream is like a person who dreams of kissing Alizée. This clearly stemmed from an emotion and can happen but the practicality of the dream is not as present.

So whereas in one kind of dream, the reality of the issue is a cause for the dream ( a pratctical dream), the other one the practicality is a result of the dream. That was what I was trying to say earlier. Am I clearer this time? :P

[DavidAlizée]

It was clear the first time..

Also yeah, its not about who is the biggest fan here..http://img44.exs.cx/img44/6712/resterquunanim01.gif

[haloraven]

Quite true Davidalizee....I dont see why we always have to do this kind of crap....first one person says i love her..then someone comes back with NO i love her more....I doubt she would really want to have her fans ( being thats what we are) argueing like children over who is better than the other. I truly doubt there would be a way to measure how much I am a fan and care for her....I dont think any of you should care about that either....

[Tristana]

Quite true Davidalizee....I dont see why we always have to do this kind of crap....first one person says i love her..then someone comes back with NO i love her more....I doubt she would really want to have her fans ( being thats what we are) argueing like children over who is better than the other. I truly doubt there would be a way to measure how much I am a fan and care for her....I dont think any of you should care about that either....

I think she just doesn't want her fans to love her the way you do at all...

[Manu]

I agree with Pat (haloraven :P ), and I think that kind of stuff only makes threads and this forum degenerate most of the times.

[loveherfromusa]

Quite true Davidalizee....I dont see why we always have to do this kind of crap....first one person says i love her..then someone comes back with NO i love her more....I doubt she would really want to have her fans ( being thats what we are) argueing like children over who is better than the other. I truly doubt there would be a way to measure how much I am a fan and care for her....I dont think any of you should care about that either....

Chill. Most of this competition is in fun. I don't take it seriously.

[haloraven]

Dude I am chill....its thoes who get bent all out of shape because someone has the gaul to start shooting off their mouth. No, neither do I take anything on here seriously....except my beliefs but thats not the point...its the few of us that bitch at other people because we dont agree with them or their opinion or how their Avatar looks...or their sig....all that stuff...

I am completely fine with people not agreeing with me or anyone else...but I hate seeing someone get on here and just say ...NO YOUR WRONG....with out giving WHY...just I dont like what you said...so your wrong. I see no reason not to have a logical and actually somewhat Intelligent debate or arguement....but instead we just have people flaming up and getting into shouting matches....so yeah we ALL should chill.

[loveherfromusa]

Maybe it is time to close this thread (not this topic) since it does seem to have gotten away from its purpose.

How about a "Fight it out and flame each other thread :badboys: "? Then anyone who wants to do that can post there.

Icons for Alizée: :D :lol: :oops: :cry: :P

Icons for what we should stay away from: :badboys: :boff: :evil:

[DavidAlizée]

There is nothing to fight out, and yeah this thread is becoming very boring.

[Jaycubed]

Maybe if more and more people suggest the cease, it might materialize....here's to hoping, maybe

[Backinblack]

OK, I see the consensus here. Thread closed. But keep in mind what haloraven said above.