Is Alizee a tease? Uses her body to sell music?

[dl123]

Ok, I've read a lot of the posts in this forum, and I just want to know - is Alizee a tease, or are we not supposed to take seriously her provocative, sensual dance routines she does on stage? Being a male, I am, ahem, aroused when I see Alizee dance. But many in this forum take offense to that idea, that Alizee should be appreciated for her beauty, innocence, etc.

I don't think it's a bad thing at all, but when I've seen Alizee dance, there isn't anything "innocent" about it! And the translations I've read of the lyrics to her songs... oh man! Hotter than most anything we hear on the radio here in America.

Your thoughts?

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discussion on whether she uses her body to sell music begins on page 6

[DavidAlizée]

Alizée is perfect in everyway. Her dance routines are awsome and great to watch. She should always be taking seriously... she loves to sing and dance, i dont think she will like not to be taken seriously.

I've seen Alizee dance, there isn't anything "innocent" about it!
i dissagree on that sentance. When she dances she is the sweetest person to watch.

Alizée is a one off time singer... never again will another Alizée come along.. appreciate her for what she is i say... fantastic singer and dancer.
Her beauty is withought question though... i dont think people will take offence to her being appreciated for her beauty too.

I don't think Alizée is a tease.. since when did angels tease?? :roll:

[Lía]

alizée is one if the best popstars ever! she is unique! :mrgreen:

[dl123]

But don't you think that by wearing a certain little black sailor outfit, and dancing in such a way to highlight a certain part of her anatomy, that she is trying to attract the sexual interest of her male fans? And by singing songs that hint at masturbation and "Moi Lolita"?

[Ayan]

Ok, I've read a lot of the posts in this forum, and I just want to know - is Alizee a tease, or are we not supposed to take seriously her provocative, sensual dance routines she does on stage? Being a male, I am, ahem, aroused when I see Alizee dance. But many in this forum take offense to that idea, that Alizee should be appreciated for her beauty, innocence, etc.

I don't think it's a bad thing at all, but when I've seen Alizee dance, there isn't anything "innocent" about it! And the translations I've read of the lyrics to her songs... oh man! Hotter than most anything we hear on the radio here in America.

Your thoughts?
Hi DL123 and welcome to the forum.

From your post i take that you are referring to the incident with Christina Aguilera, when she was wondering why people arent taking her seriously, after she had been dancing half naked and making "sensual" moves. Like anyone was taking her seriously before? hah.

You should know, that it is not Alizée herself, who is writing the lyrics. She is the one who gives the idea to the lyrics, and there are Her thoughts in them. But also at the same time there are doublemeanings in it, wich are mostly coming from Mylène and not from Alizée. Now that of course shouldnt affect your reaction to the lyrics, just think about who says what and how they say it.
As i have seen from various interviews, reportages, newsclips and commercials, people are truly respecting Alizée. She is not a onehitwonder, She is a talented singer and She has class and charisma. People are recognizing that and they appreciate Her for that.

[Mr Bond]

Perhaps she is trying to change the public attitude towards expressing sexuality if so it is a very bold statement. People can get very hot under the collar about this (possibly because they are in denial) but I think people should dress how they want and if they want to outwardly express sexuality then that is cool. She isn't hurting anyone by doing it people can always look at somthing else if they don't like it.

[DavidAlizée]

And by singing songs that hint at masturbation

Sorry, i dont agree with that..ive never heard any of her songs hinting at that.


She isn't hurting anyone by doing it people can always look at somthing else if they don't like it.

Yes, i agree with that

[Manu]

Well on the stage she is an entertainer and it is about pretending. I think some of the dances are a bit provocative indeed, and the outfits had been chosen to keep on the pretending thing, since Alizée herself and in an interview excused before anybody cos of that, but I think that if she were to choose the outfits and choreographies, then it all could be focused in another way. But, anyway, I wonder why she has been a gay icon if that's all for provoking :wink:

[Joseph]

"But, anyway, I wonder why she has been a gay icon if that's all for provoking"

Umm... did I miss something ? In the media ?


Oh yes, answer to topic:
Alizée seems like she is a tease to the first time onlooker; but if you look through her career, study her life, cover yourself kneedeep in everything that is Alizée you'll see that she is really enjoying herself, at least to my thought, and everyone, the crowd, the fans and Alizée herself are all "getting down" because by that time in the song it feels so good and everyones so into it ^^) So, to answer your question, IMHO, it's all just good fun, and nothing more.

*God I wish I could go to one of her Concerts* :cry:

[Manu]

Ehm... that phrase was supposed to be an irony, but I think I failed heh.

[Faze]

Alizée is perfect in everyway. Her dance routines are awsome and great to watch. She should always be taking seriously... she loves to sing and dance, i dont think she will like not to be taken seriously.
never again will another Alizée come along.. appreciate her for what she is i say... fantastic singer and dancer.
Her beauty is withought question though... i dont think people will take offence to her being appreciated for her beauty too.

I don't think Alizée is a tease.. since when did angels tease?? :roll:


Nicely said davidalizee... dl you must not see what the rest of us do.. Alizée enjoys dancing so much you can tell by her expressions, she has been dancing since she was a little girl , I think she is a fantastic dancer, and I dont see any tease at all from her, she isnt like that, she is genuinely and innocently having a good time..

[haloraven]

omg...and agan....well this is how i see it, Shes a beautiful young woman..great body and even greater tallent....so yes i think being sexxy and knowing it is part of her image and her stage act. Hell if i had that kind of body I'd wear sexxy stuff...but let me set this strait...she wearing sexxy stuff NOT SLUTTY stuff. I believe that shes by far the most perfect being I know of next to God. But yet again like it was stated in past threds people on this forum seem scared to say what they really mean or wanna say cuz they get torn apart.

[jon]

I agree with Haloraven. You also can tell she is not a tease because she does not wear clothes like that in all her preformances. Generally her preformances are based around the singing not the looks. Like in the her duet videos she is dressed fairly modestly. Unless you consider a neck line below the collar bone to be a sexually provocative component of clothes. :mrgreen:

[Faze]

haloraven and jon you are both very right... and thats right she doesnt wear the same type of clothes in all her performances, I think she has a great fashion sense and is very smart with her choices, I think her outfits are sexy and very cute at the same time.. Its all in good fun either way :mrgreen:

[jon]

Nice signature, Faze; both parts.

[Faze]

thanks jon :mrgreen: this first one I made using PowerDVD and PSP.. the other I made from a background..

[loveherfromusa]

To look at evidence that she is a tease, look at the La Isla Bonita video towards the end. She stops singing and does a little dance with her hands above her head as she turns. She obviously notices the appreciative reaction of the crowd, smiles and does it again.

She's a beautiful woman and she's very sexy. Why shouldn't she tease us? Another sweet part of her personality comes when she says, "Merci" at the end. She is so humble and sweet when she says it.

I enjoy all of her, the sexy and the sweet.

[DavidAlizée]

Yeah, ive seen the La isla Bonita vid, ur right i agree with that you say... the reaction from the crowd is great when she does the twirl dance.. but i dont think she is teasing in that. Personaly.. i think she just loves to dance and loves the crowd going wild. When Alizée dances, she knows she pleases the crowd by her dancing. The outfits she wears, are very short, but like she has said before, there stage costumes to promote the song. Even though people think she is a tease.. i think she doesnt mean to be, but love the crowds reaction to her so much by her dancing, she doesnt see anything wrong with that... When she is on stage, the crowd are the single most importent thing at that moment.. they can make or break a song. So i say to Alizée you do what you have to do to get the crowd screaming for you :P

[Joseph]

""Personaly.. i think she just loves to dance and loves the crowd going wild. "
Well made, davidalizee. I also agree, and it's so wonderful to see Alizée's face so full of happiness when the crowd goes wild ^^)

[Faze]

her personality is shown in every performance she does, her smile tells it all, her gratiude even when she has given so much is amazing, she never performs with out saying merci at the end, í've seen few performers that do that.. and everyone is right she dances because she is a great performer and thats what makes the crowd happy, and thats what makes her happy...

[mot]

Dancing is her passion, she so loves it, and I've never seen anyone dance better then her. And I'll never will :!:

On stage she feels free and lets herself go all the way. I admit it's a bit sensual, but she's young and sooo beautiful. So why not I guess.

But maybe they made her study those dances for more sales?

The important thing is she loves it, so I do to! ;)

[squeaky ladida]

""Personaly.. i think she just loves to dance and loves the crowd going wild. "
Well made, davidalizee. I also agree, and it's so wonderful to see Alizée's face so full of happiness when the crowd goes wild ^^)

as long as that comes foremost, whatever else happens is secondary
if she's happy and enjoys the results, then it's fine
she does what she wants to enjoy herself and make herself happy

@mot - i just can't stop starying at your avatar and sig

[haloraven]

she does like to dance...shes been doing it all her life, and yes I do think she knows shes sexxy...and even more it seems to me...depending on the song she changes her clothes....like if its a fast fun song shes dressed in bright colors...where if its a slower love ballad shes in darker clothes and is not as SEXXY...but shes just the RIGHT AMMOUNT i think of cute, sexxy and beautiful...OH just to clear things up when yall said TEASE i was thinking about a girl thats being a cock tease...blue baller...ect ect...and by NO WAY is she even close to that...but she does play the crowd....shes got that power.

[squeaky ladida]

*thinks of jim carry singing "i've got the power" *
lol, that just popped in my mind

and indeed, her clothing tends to reflect the music
in PTB she always wore kinda flowing, loose, uhhh.... running out of adjectives already... yeah, she wore that loose white shirt that really reflected that
and stuff like that

and it said "miam miam" on her gourmandises outfit.... hehehehehehehe
miam miam pour les gourmandises, hehehehe

[TheLarch]

And by singing songs that hint at masturbation

Sorry, i dont agree with that..ive never heard any of her songs hinting at that.

You needn't go further than A Contre Courant (and judging from your signature, it seems to be one of your favourite songs too).

Des défilés de doigts,
De mon envie de toi.

This should ring a bell.
If it doesn't, look at the translations more closely! :wink:

[squeaky ladida]

And by singing songs that hint at masturbation

Sorry, i dont agree with that..ive never heard any of her songs hinting at that.

You needn't go further than A Contre Courant (and judging from your signature, it seems to be one of your favourite songs too).

Des défilés de doigts,
De mon envie de toi.

This should ring a bell.
If it doesn't, look at the translations more closely! :wink:

There's some in JEAM as well, right at the beginning too
there are many implications that require real understanding of the language/song to comprehend, which is sometimes hard for people who don't learn french as their first language or know the culture of the language and who are very familiar with it, then again, it's that way with pretty much every language

"Pay attention", how does that make any sense?
"Fait attention", makes so much more sense.... but that's just straight french, "use attention" is the direct translation, which makes total sense, just english has its wierd ways to do stuff....

[DavidAlizée]

TheLarch i dont understand your post...

are you trying to tell me that Des défilés de doigts, De mon envie de toi hints at masterbation or somthing ?

[Ayan]

are you trying to tell me that Des défilés de doigts, De mon envie de toi hints at masterbation or somthing ? That quote should mean something like ... " Processions of fingers, my desire of you" so hehe, Mylène is a lonely lady :lol:

[DavidAlizée]

The french have a different and more explicit deep way of expressing there self. Alizée only sings the song.. its not all about what the song says, but how Alizée sings it.. thats what counts. The way she sings and dances. After all.. that is why most of the people here love Alizée......
Also.. Des défilés de doigts, De mon envie de toi .. is part of the song. It doesnt have to make sense.. ( most songs dont always make sence ) but how it sounds (the rhyme )is what counts.

Its also worth saying, [ If ]Alizée wrote the song, i assure you... that "Des défilés de doigts, De mon envie de toi " wouldnt be in the song. She is not a slapper that tried to appeal her songs are about masterbation... when there not.

[jon]

"Des défilés de doigts, De mon envie de toi "


Wait, I'm lost. What is the literal meaning of this phrase?

[Manu]

are you trying to tell me that Des défilés de doigts, De mon envie de toi hints at masterbation or somthing ? That quote should mean something like ... " Processions of fingers, my desire of you" so hehe, Mylène is a lonely lady :lol:

ROFLMAO! :lol:

[loveherfromusa]

Hey, she teases me with her moves. That doesn't mean anything bad. I love the way she teases. She proves over and over that she can be sexy in any amount of clothing. I hope she continues to be sexy and sweet.

[Petsku1]

are you trying to tell me that Des défilés de doigts, De mon envie de toi hints at masterbation or somthing ? That quote should mean something like ... " Processions of fingers, my desire of you" so hehe, Mylène is a lonely lady :lol:

haha... is there something bad singing about masturbation ....when you do it like that.... discreet :roll: :mrgreen:

[TheLarch]

The french have a different and more explicit deep way of expressing there self. Alizée only sings the song.. its not all about what the song says, but how Alizée sings it.. thats what counts. The way she sings and dances. After all.. that is why most of the people here love Alizée......
Also.. Des défilés de doigts, De mon envie de toi .. is part of the song. It doesnt have to make sense.. ( most songs dont always make sence ) but how it sounds (the rhyme )is what counts.

Its also worth saying, [ If ]Alizée wrote the song, i assure you... that "Des défilés de doigts, De mon envie de toi " wouldnt be in the song. She is not a slapper that tried to appeal her songs are about masterbation... when there not.

You assume too much! :P

I actually think those songs relate a lot to her. She has said it often enough that there is a very high degree of cumplicity between herself and MF, in the sense that MF interprets her feelings in a way she can really relate to.

And BTW, I never said her songs, or ACC in particular were about masterbation. I only pointed out that it's mentioned more than once...

As for what it means Des défilés de doigts, or "marching fingers", if you prefer, are a rather graphical description of female masterbation.
And if that wasn't enough, De mon envie de toi, "of my hunger for you" should be enough to clear any remaining doubts, don't you think? :wink:

[DavidAlizée]

my hunger for you... is about how much she feels for someone.. like..."my love for you" ...nothing wrong with that..

[TheLarch]

my hunger for you... is about how much she feels for someone.. like..."my love for you" ...nothing wrong with that..
No one said there was anything wrong with that. I just pointed something out to you. If you don't want to see it, that's your problem! Just don't say you don't understand it, because I really don't believe it...

[haloraven]

HAHAHA....wait wait...first LOOK at who wrote the song...shes kind of an odd ball her self..granted I do enjoy Mylene's music. So I would not doubt there is some slight sexuallity in her music...and anyway we all look at it Alizee is a very attractive young woman, with a great bod, and hell if I looked half as good as her I'd wear the same kind of clothes^_^ !!

[Zappa]

Alizee teases me in some videoes :>
k9z
she is the prettiest creature who walks this earth

[Orion]

alizée is one if the best popstars ever! she is unique! :mrgreen:

C'est La Vie! 8)

[loveherfromusa]

Alizee teases me in some videoes :>
k9z
she is the prettiest creature who walks this earth

"Pretty" is an understatement. She is the most beautiful living being the Earth has ever produced. I have many valid scientific studies that prove this assertion. If you ask to see them, I might have difficulty showing them to you, but take my word for it, it has been proven.

[rammstein]

i love alize...so i don't think she's a tease...she has the freedom to do what she want to do..so, she's not a tease...

[DavidAlizée]

welcome to the forum..

[amerodeh33z]

Hii guys ,
i red all the posts in that topic , i think u all sayed something true 100% ... Alizee is beautiful ... great body , so why to not wear a sexy outfit clothes ???? ...
and i think that one of the perfect things that can attract new fans by it ....
such my friends , they don't know her , they didn't hear about her ... like is no Alizee in the world :evil: , but when i let them see some videos , and performances , they start to know what Alizee meens ... and what kind of beauty she has.....

thx

[Z3R0]

Welcome to the forum rammstein always great to see new members

[Jaycubed]

She is the most beautiful living being the Earth has ever produced.

That's so true, beautiful in every way...i never belived anything in this world could be as beautiful as Alizée is, i know i sound like a broken record but she stuns me everyday, i'm sure some of you feel the same

[haloraven]

OH and the answer to your question...is she a tease....the answer is NO.

[loveherfromusa]

Yes, she is a tease, but not in a bad way. She beckons me with her every move. I want her to tease me. I wish she would tickle me. The negative connotation is that a tease would draw you in and then not follow through. She teases me and then becomes even more. She becomes my dream.

[DavidAlizée]

tickle you?? :roll: lol

[loveherfromusa]

tickle you?? :roll: lol\

Wouldn't that be the ultimate indication of intimacy? It is a great dream.

[DavidAlizée]

yep, sure is. 8)

[haloraven]

I still think of tease in the bad way.....sorry but there is no going around it with me...still no.

[rammstein]

alizee is not a tease...she's the most beautiful girl i ever seen...she just want to share her beauty that's all...

[DavidAlizée]

Peoples think she is a tease.. it depends on the kind of person and what you are thinking of. But for me.. she is not a tease.. just a girl enjoying the fans reactions when she dances and sings.. look no further than La Isla Bonita.. she loves the crowds reaction when dancing..

Shes just breathtaking .. in everything she does.!! :oops:

[Creature]

For real!

[haloraven]

WORD

[loveherfromusa]

She is the most beautiful living being the Earth has ever produced.

That's so true, beautiful in every way...i never belived anything in this world could be as beautiful as Alizée is, i know i sound like a broken record but she stuns me everyday, i'm sure some of you feel the same

Who me? Don't worry about being a broken record. It's difficult to express feelings for her.

[Jaycubed]

we both sound like broken records i guess :D

But there is nothing wrong with that :P I'll say my feelings for her time and time again

[CoquetteH8R]

coquette

\Co*quette"\, n. [F., fr. coquet, coquette, coquettish, orig., cocklike, strutting like a cock, fr. coq a cock. Cf. Cock, Cocket, Cocky, Cockade.] 1. A vain, trifling woman, who endeavors to attract admiration from a desire to gratify vanity; a flirt; -- formerly sometimes applied also to men.

coquette

n : a seductive woman who uses her sex appeal to exploit men [syn: flirt, vamp, vamper, minx, tease, prickteaser] v : talk amorously; "The guys always try to chat up the new secretaries"; "My husband never flirts with other women" [syn: chat up, flirt, dally, coquet, romance, philander, mash]

I give you Alizee

[DavidAlizée]

HUH..

we dont need people like you here ... go away and take your nasty little mind with you...

[Backinblack]

"CoquetteH8R" would have a point, if he was referring to the character that Alizée portrays, not Alizée herself. There's no doubting that the "Lolita" role fits that description (and we're talking about the "lolita" created by Mylène and Laurent, not the original Nabokov Lolita). Same way with JEAM and JPVA; like Alizée has said many times before, the image that she projects onstage, it's just a role that she plays, like in movies.

[Joseph]

But who would seriosuly make an account to reply to a forum with the post's topic in his name, with HATER in it? Someone who read the topic before, and that means he's using another SN:(


WERE AMONG A SPY!

Everyone go into full Alizee Defense Mode!

*reloads Kar98*
*puts on helmet*
:evil:

[DavidAlizée]

^^^ lol hehe.
LOCK N LOAD. heh

[squeaky ladida]

^wow there....
but seriously, even if she is teasing in some people's eyes, is there anything wrong with it if she enjoys it? I'm sure many people enjoy doing things that not everyone else approves of

[John]

With the beauty Alizee has its hard not to tease. Does she purposely try to tease? I don't think so, she just likes to show what she has, and above all she loves dancing.

[haloraven]

Hum....I honestly dont think of her as "TEASING" but rather being very flirtacious..(i dunno if i spelled that right).....She does flirt alot with the crowds weve all seen her do that in La Isla Bonita, she works the crowd, and yes she is good at it. And I honestly dont know if any of you have known a girl who IS a Tease...but they are very rude, gold diggers and use their bodies to manipulate people for their own benifit and they really like giving guys....BLUE BALLS....< if you dont know what that means dont bother asking. THATS truly a TEASE to me.

[Twiggy]

Alizee is a Goddess. She has the power to do anything to us man. We're all enchanted by her flawless beauty. Some may turn out to be horny after watching her dance. Some may be liquid. and well....... Some may just find her normal. To me, shes a Goddess.

[DavidAlizée]

erm, sos but i defently dont get horny after she dances. I love her for dancing and singing.. not a horny way.

[John]

Alizee is a Goddess. She has the power to do anything to us man. We're all enchanted by her flawless beauty. Some may turn out to be horny after watching her dance. Some may be liquid. and well....... Some may just find her normal. To me, shes a Goddess.

If anyone is horny about Alizee, then they are not here to be a fan. Seems they are here only to get a chance to get laid by her. And what are you reffering to as liquid?

[Ozomulsion]

If anyone is horny about Alizee, then they are not here to be a fan. Seems they are here only to get a chance to get laid by her. And what are you reffering to as liquid?

If you don't mind me asking. Where are you refering to as "here" ? Are you suggesting that posting in this forum would give someone a chance to get laid by Alizee? Your post is very confusing and makes very little sense to me.

[John]

Was not the most well thought out post, but if you try its easy to understand. All in all what I am trying to say is that a true fan is one that likes everything about her, not one who wants to be horny about her. Maybe I am being a bit defensive but I really think a fan sees her for everything she is, not because of her ass.

Some may turn out to be horny after watching her dance
She is sexy and amazing, but If you become horny from watching someone, you should go download some porn.

If you don't mind me asking. Where are you refering to as "here" ? Are you suggesting that posting in this forum would give someone a chance to get laid by Alizee? Your post is very confusing and makes very little sense to me.

Here as in the forums. Confusing, I don't know, maybe. The way horny is used (around where i live) means you want to go screw that person. Maybe my version of the word horny and your version is different. Just like some people's version of the word tease was different.

[Ozomulsion]

Seems they are here only to get a chance to get laid by her.

I reposted your quote because you didn't come close to answering my question. Here is my question again.

How could posting on this forum give someone a chance to get laid by Alizee?
Remember, these are your words not mine. She is married and won't be sleeping with anybody reguardless if they post on these forums or not. Get it?

[loveherfromusa]

"CoquetteH8R" would have a point, if he was referring to the character that Alizée portrays, not Alizée herself. There's no doubting that the "Lolita" role fits that description (and we're talking about the "lolita" created by Mylène and Laurent, not the original Nabokov Lolita). Same way with JEAM and JPVA; like Alizée has said many times before, the image that she projects onstage, it's just a role that she plays, like in movies.

Backinblack: I think you are giving CoquetteH8R too much credit. Yes, Alizée has dressed very seductively for videos. Have you seen how she dresses when she is on the streets? In the Lolita video she is dressed in a simple country outfit. (Yes, I know she does a good job of making even that look good when she dances.)

Observe most concerts: She very humbly says "Merci, merci" at the end. She looks humble. She waves to fans, and autographs papers they hold up for her. During after-concert interviews she does not act anything like an egocentric diva. How many times has anyone heard of her coming on to fans, stagehands, etc.? She has even looked a bit nervous backstage.

I perceive that she has sex appeal, but I don't feel like I'm exploited by it at all. I am glad that she is very pleasant to watch when she sings. I have said many times that she could be sexy in any clothing or covering she wanted to wear. Does she need to be arrogant and ugly to not be a coquette?

To DavidAlizée: We have just recently been asked to try to not run off new members and give them a chance, but I don't think I have enough patience for something this negative.

CouquetteH8R: I don't understand why you posted here. This is a fan site. If someone new comes on and says they like her because she has nice tits, we can work with that. Not as positive and respectful as we would like, but that person at least has positive feelings towards her and can be educated as to her many other positive traits. If that's all you have to say, then thanks for not posting again.

[John]

Seems they are here only to get a chance to get laid by her.

I reposted your quote because you didn't come close to answering my question. Here is my question again.

How could posting on this forum give someone a chance to get laid by Alizee?
Remember, these are your words not mine. She is married and won't be sleeping with anybody reguardless if they post on these forums or not. Get it?
It is pretty obvious what I meant without explaining. And I did in a way, not just as you wanted me to. I have no time to argue with you nor need to explain myself more.

[loveherfromusa]

I really didn't think about it until I read the recent posts. I very much like watching her dancing in videos and talking during interviews. She is very stimulating, but I have never gotten horny. This was not a choice. Most males don't choose to feel horny. It's an unconscious response. I smile and feel warm and wish I could nearer to her, but horny has never been a response.

Any psychiatrists out there?

[haloraven]

Im not a psychiartrist...but I have taken enough psych classes to be able to answer in a general way.

Yes She is the most attractive and beautiful woman ive ever seen, theres no guessing, and I'm not scared to say that she does get my "water boiling", but that does not mean that i go jerk it, or get all teenage boy horny. I think that yall need to lay off thoes who cant really express that feeling that we all get, we all precieve these different stimuli in very much a different way.

The truth is, I do believe, is that alot of these guys on this forum, or new people, are rather young and I know for a FACT that they will be more attracted to her sexuallity and sentual mannerisms than that of lets say a 25 year old that has matured a bit. And really there are NO words that can truly describe both love and attraction to someone or something, so we being simple must find things that have a close relation to that feeling or thoes different emotions, a flower is beautiful therefor we compare something beautiful that we cant describe to that beautiful flower.

In essence thats what alot of people TRY to do, and believe it or not most of us from the looks of our ages are still all strung out and hoped up on our Adolesent pubesent hormones, and weather anyone likes it or not she is attractive and I wont be the first to say she has an amazing sex appeal, and I call bullshit on anyone who would not jump if given the chance to have a "RELATIONSHIP"and any manner of the word with her.

So how about taking in to consideration the age of the person before you just start bashing HUH!!

[DavidAlizée]

Nothing to do with the age.. It was the comments he made. People were stating they don't get Horny looking at Alizée videos :roll:

[Twiggy]

And what are you reffering to as liquid?


Melted

[CoquetteH8R]

But who would seriosuly make an account to reply to a forum with the post's topic in his name, with HATER in it? Someone who read the topic before, and that means he's using another SN:(


WERE AMONG A SPY!

Everyone go into full Alizee Defense Mode!

*reloads Kar98*
*puts on helmet*
:evil:

This is fucking gold. THIS IS FUCKING GOLD.

I've made one post, and already I've ignited some latent paranoia about what certain other members of the board are supposedly 'secretly' up to. You want to believe I'm really somebody else with a second ID? Fine! I know that it'll be a doddle to act in ways that make you reinforce your original misconception, and you will do this because it's human nature not to believe anyone who tries to talk you out of believing what you want to believe about them.

You will even say this is just a very bizarre and far out attempt to persuade you all that I'm not who you think I am, which makes it so fucking classic! I have no idea how to exploit this phenomenon actually, but I'm sure some great ideas will come to me.

So...ummm...who do you think I really am?

:twisted:

[Ayan]

Please stop generating offtopic.
Your first post was totally irrelevant and you missed the point. Like blackinblack told you, indeed you did wrote some stuff, but it didnt have anything to do with Alizée, but instead you were describing some totally different characters.

[John]

I personally could care less who you are. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. However, I am a relatively new member so I might be speaking from little knowledge about these forums, but I really don't think anyone cares who you might or might not be.

Going back to your description about alizee, like someone else said thats very true for the role she plays. But as for public apperances, signing autographs, or any other public videos I have seen of her I think everything you said I would disagree with.

[CoquetteH8R]

Going back to your description about alizee, like someone else said thats very true for the role she plays. But as for public apperances, signing autographs, or any other public videos I have seen of her I think everything you said I would disagree with.

Yes that's true, and it's somewhat sad. She could be a great ambassador for her gender, showing us all that girls...women...females are not all, and do not have to be, simple coquettes who think 'get some money' when a guy with less sense than a puppy dog declares his infatuation with her. Instead, she just dances. What a waste.

[Backinblack]

Hey guys, don't jump to conclusions when you think someone is posting under a different name just to provoke a reaction.

This guy is one of the few who has criticized Alizée that I can actually understand what he is saying.

But,
She could be a great ambassador for her gender
Where along the line would this "ambassador" idea have fallen into place? Before Moi...Lolita? She wouldn't have sold any records that way. Afterward? She still has a very young career; it's hard to imagine her now as a great "ambassador" for the female gender, and I don't think she would ever see herself that way either.

Instead, she just dances.
And makes millions for her record company. Which is the reason why she's there in the first place.



Oh yeah, Mylène Farmer, whose image is the embodiment of what constitutes a "coquette", is also her producer. Darned if she didn't teach Alizée a thing or two about playing with the audience.

[CoquetteH8R]

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I. Love. Your. Post!!!!!

[Backinblack]

It is a pretty good one, isn't it?






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[Rodrigo]

BAN!!! BAN!!! BAN!!! The numpty Ned Guy that seems to be a kind of minger guy :badboys: :cheesy:

[Faze]

... here we go again with this... i get tired of this, i dont even come around the forum much anymore because of stuff like this.. i totaly understand what everyone is saying but, in the defence of the forum and "some" of its members, people like CoquetteH8R come into the forum with 5 posts and show little to no respect for anyone or their feelings.. you know if thats your opinion thats fine, please dont share it with the rest of us...

if you guys would just ignore people like this it would be alot better.. they are fueled by our geting iritated and upset, and dont start with the spy stuff and start acttacking.. just leave it alone... Ignore the Ignorant..

[haloraven]

I agree with you so very much Nathan.....and to say the least I'm starting to get a bit annoyed with all the random shit thats being put on here, I know it happens...but just the random stuff all over the boards as of late and getting soo off topic. If we have something we just gotta ask thats THAT important then make a new thread in the GENERAL section please, it seems this is like the 10th person in the past month or so thats tryed to make trouble on here and everyone falls back in line and starts insulting and attacking them....just blow that shit off....as for me Im not goin to spend another minute of my precious life on stupid people...........there i said it. :x

[Joseph]

I thought the same way...

But sometimes, you have to deal with stupid people... the only way to get around it is live from10pm to 10AM... *MOTHER* :roll:

[loveherfromusa]

if you guys would just ignore people like this it would be alot better.. they are fueled by our geting iritated and upset, and dont start with the spy stuff and start acttacking.. just leave it alone... Ignore the Ignorant..

People like what? You keep talking about a Hater. I didn't know a person like this could exist. If there was such an entity (person would be too much), then it has no relevance. What useless person are you talking about? :evil: :D

[Ayan]

Some similarities ...

People keep talking about certain things they dont like. Certain elements in a person perhaps. And then they are suddenly Refering to Alizée.

Fine, if you dont like something then thats it, but there is no need to attach something totally out of context to Alizée.
Like this whole coquette thing - what has it got to do with Alizée in the first place.

Some other people dislike music, wich is " too commercial", they dont like it at all and they also dislike the artists. Thats fine, i can relate to that. Heck i might even feel the same way from time to time. What i dont understand is, that why is it neccessary to refer to Alizée once again. Can you belive it, there are people, who dislike Alizée because they think the music is too commercial.
Talk about stupidity. :roll:

Its like - there are persons out there who are just waiting for a chance to whine about something, so that they would seem 'deep'


And uh... this whole "teasing" thing. First it would be neccessary to define the word "tease", so that people would at least stop arguing whether Alizée is ' a tease' for 'them' or not.

[John]

Fine, if you dont like something then thats it, but there is no need to attach something totally out of context to Alizée.
Like this whole coquette thing - what has it got to do with Alizée in the first place.
FIrst off, Alizee is a coquette in a way. It is a rather accurate description of her role as a lolita given by Mylene. Outside that role then thats a different story.

[Ayan]

Fine, if you dont like something then thats it, but there is no need to attach something totally out of context to Alizée.
Like this whole coquette thing - what has it got to do with Alizée in the first place.
FIrst off, Alizee is a coquette in a way. It is a rather accurate description of her role as a lolita given by Mylene. Outside that role then thats a different story.
Excactly.

She is playing a role. Thats not Alizée herself.
An actress playing a vampire slayer is not neccessary killing vampires in her free time.
How hard is that to understand.

[DavidAlizée]

An actress playing a vampire slayer is not neccessary killing vampires in her free time

hehe :lol:

[squeaky ladida]

An actress playing a vampire slayer is not neccessary killing vampires in her free time

hehe :lol:
WHAT?!?!!! but.... but....
*puts down stake*
there go my dreams...


anywhoo, if you all will think back to the MTV Italy interview
*time machine*
*doo doo doo doo*
MTV Italy guy - so, what is your name, is it Alizée, Lo, Lola, Lolita, what is it?
Alizée - Alizée, just Alizée
MTV Italy guy- says something like "So who is Lo, Lola?"
Alizée - She is a character, just like in a film

ok, so it isn't that exact, i was pulling all that from memory, but the song is like a story, with it's own set of characters
the video and performances are like a script turned into a screenplay being acted out on a musical stage
it's all put together as a story

[DavidAlizée]

yep.. and the actual word "LOLITA" i belive..means "young and sexy" and thats what Alizée is. Shame this word is so missinterpreted to mean somthing else.

[Joseph]

didn't someone say that the french interpretation is

"girl who older boys like"

and not the american equivalent-

"whore"?

[DavidAlizée]

well, in french class at school.. someone asked that that word ment i remember. It always stuck in my head. The teacher told us it means "young and sexy" .

[squeaky ladida]

the word itself means a young and sexually attractive girl
literature has kinda warped that meaning, though, to one a young girl who is attracted to older men
the word itself only means the young and sexually attractive part
and for modern day use of the word online, I just suggest you don't type in the word "lolita" into image search

[Ayan]

About this whole 'lolita' word meaning & imagesearch... It doesnt matter how a bunch of people call it. Just because they are stupid enough not to understand the true meaning of the word, doesnt change the word itself.

[squeaky ladida]

About this whole 'lolita' word meaning & imagesearch... It doesnt matter how a bunch of people call it. Just because they are stupid enough not to understand the true meaning of the word, doesnt change the word itself.

^everything i said in like, 2 sentances.... damn he's good

[Jaycubed]

Ahh we all know Ayan is good anyway surely we do by now :D

It's people that misconceive that cause all this, but usually they seem to misconceive then this point is the only point they wanna argue then can't accept the fact that there is a very good argument to prove them wrong by people that know a lot more about the situation and the person. We just have to try the diplomatic approach if it's possible

[Mr Bond]

Does this require discussion I think we know how that word has been widely misused so many sick b***ards nowadays. Why such a fuss? Alizee's song does not use the word lolita in a degrading sense. Girls tend to look to slightly older guys because as they think they are more mature Alizee has expressed this preference too could this be the meaning of moi lolita?

[Joseph]

well put, all of you. nice justification, as we are the guardians of Alizée:)
I don't think there's anything further to add tho,.

[windsurfer]

i saw someone on youtube leave a comment on Alizee's video saying that Alizee is just like a slut on stage, cuz she always showing and shaking her ASS around and stuff like that, he/she said Alizee is just selling her music with her body, is a true slut.
when i saw this comment, i was fury, fire burn inside me just make me wanna kill that person for his rubbish comment.
but then, i was thinking, even though Alizee don't give me a bad impression (slut), but if she's not that pretty, will she be that famous? i know a LOT of ppl love her because she's pretty, they don't really care if she really can sing or not (frankly, i'm one of them.) to me, she's like an angle, well, ppl likes angle, who really does care if a angle can or can't sing??
ok, back to this evil guy who leave rubbish on Alizee's video, i reply to him said that of course you SHAKE your ASS when you DANCE!!
for me, Alizee is someone look well manner, very polite, very nice, and very decency, apart from her "i'm fed up" black & white dress , i think all of her outfits are very nice and proper, and i like all of them.
the reason why i dislike the "black & white i'm fed up" outfit, is that i think it's not suitable for an angle wear like that.....well, just my personal thought, maybe i'm too conservative...
anyway, i think if ppl think she's sexy it's not her problem, just that when male saw beautiful girl they naturally think of SEX.
well, but, i'm a girl so Sex is of course not the thing that attract me about her, i think alizee is somehow really special and that's the thing really attract her fan instead of sexiness.
so she's definitely NOT A SLUT, and she's NOT selling her music with her Body, she's just doing what she like: singing and dancing.
and we're just doing what we like: buying her DVD and Watching her video, listening her music every night late till 12.

[RMJ]

Well, yeah. You are definitely right that she's not a slut. There's big step from being a beautiful girl to being a slut. Alizée has not really taken that step. And she doesn't need to.

If you compare her to some american (or pretty much anyone else in the world) pop stars there's quite a different. There's much worse cases when those stars do they all selling by just being a slut. Sex sells, it's an unfortunate fact.

Ok, yeah, Alizée do have some sexy dances. I'm not blind either, even tho I'm not keep talking about those dancing all day long. Some of them are real teasers really, and that's what they really are supposed to be. Alizée knows it herself as well, she's not a kid who doesn't understand what goes in adults head. She wasn't kid at 15 and she's not a kid now. But the different between small tease and playing a slut is quite big. If we think about it, she didn't even show anything during those dances (well, except couple unfortunate camera angles). Like said, it was teasing at it's purest form. If you find it anyway dirty or slutty, then it's in your own head really. She kept it clean.

Tho, I do not like that black JEAM outfit that much either. It's on the edge of good taste really. I mean, ok, it still covers pretty much everything (it's like wearing short pants and hence showing your tights whichwould show up even when wearing miniskirt... so what's the difference), but still it's a bit too much concentrating on her body. I think it was step to wrong direction, and she really paid for it I'd say. Surely she made the male fans to enjoy the show more, but I believe she lost lots of other fans during the first part of MCE era. She wasn't anymore the pretty girl she used to be during Gourmandises and the same idol for all the kids (and their parents, too, surely they are affected too by what their kids like). Of course it's was part of the "growing up" and chaging the image a little bit but it still went too far. It was too much concentrating on her body and leaving out many other important aspects.

On the other hand, I like the pants version of JEAM very much. It's much more appropriate style for her, even tho, it's pretty much as sexy as anything else. But it does take a bit the attention away from her body. Even tho, she's shaking her butt equally much during it. But it's much more balanced due this different dressing style.

But no, she's not a slut. It takes much more than just wearing a miniskirt or short pants to show your thighs. It takes the attitude, too. And Alizée doesn't have that. She has whole a new perspective to this show business. She's not afraid to look sexy and beautiful, but she keeps the good taste. She that something that makes girl to be pretty angel instead of sexy slut.

And btw, It's not really so that males thinks only of sex when seeing beautiful girl. Well, not any more than when girl seeing handsome men. Of course it takes their attention but surely you are not going to go drool over them either when you see them. Or are you ? :)

And she can be sexy or look like the cutest angel on the Earth, it's totally up to her and her current mood. She can't hide her beauty but she can bring it out different ways. One moment she can be the innocent little girl, or more mature version of the same girl, and then the next moment she can look something that makes even me to blush... But that's what I really like in her, she's so full of surprises, she can be everything we could ever want her to be. And yet, during all that, she's just herself. She doesn't need to play a role if she doesn't want to. She will never need to go to be a slut to get our attention. She gets it even on her worst day, since her natural beauty is shining through her, radiating all over the place.

[Alex Atlantis]

No, I disagree at all... First of all, they talked about a 4-year ago scene clothes... we all known what Alizée thinks about being sexy: "You can be sexy without falling into voulgarity"... We know Alizée is totally another person out of the scenes... Even more, today there are singers, like Hilary Duff, who, on stage, during their concerts, are less dressed than Lili before... Yes, maybe the black clothes of JEAM were, for me, a little at limit of the good taste, but knowing Alizée is very shy, I imagine she would never have gone on scene with those clothes... maybe she considers her body as a form of language, maybe not even as I consider it, because I live in a country in which a girl can't work in Television if before the same girl had no posed for an erotic calendar....
It seems to me Lilì arrived at the top working on her talent in arts, like dance and, first of all, singing and music. She doesn't fill gossip pages, she's a very reserved person.
I love her... I love listening to her music at late night, because her songs is a lullaby, a melody that brings me to another world, a world in which I can stay closer to her, the world of the Dream..... I am a dreamliner, like Alizée

[Señor Villa]

I never have thought that Alizée sold her albums using her body. She has every right to dress what she wishes. The perverted minds watching her videos need to get a life and stop judging her.

[Brent]

not a slut, women dont have a fair chance in society today, use what you have

because not many women accomplish much in the music business without a good body, neither do we see big men, in pop that is

[nyI{o]

sellin music with her body, highly true mmmrhmmmrhmmmmmmmhh

[AlphaDevil2]

Alizée has levels of decency far different from other young female singers. She does not lower herself to the levels of depravity that the Britneys of this world have done. This, her persona is part of the fact why we like her so much, she is different, we would not want it any other way.

[Pranav K]

People talkking like this dont know her much.. They dont know she was made a star by Gourmendises, whose any of the song a video contain any such material to call her a slut, Exactly not any of her video or puplic appearance.. Then the MCE even more elegant then ever.. They dont know the diffrence bteween sensual n slut.. I think these poor guys search the net only for explicity.. n whatever they get they consider it as being vulgar.. They dont even think that a pop singer have a adorable n decent loved by all image As maintained by ALIZEE till date n i m sure it will be for ever, She is just Adorable to her fans.. They say so cos their brains r all filled with all the garbage spilled on net.. These poor people need counselling..

[iramusa-marjo]

Beauty can a blessing and a curse at the same time.

I completely agree with RMJ. She was provoking but it's far from being a slut. Actually me neither like her JEAM outfit. It's like Windsurfer said. This outfit doesn't fit an Angel. Although she looks pretty sexy wearing it. She attracted new fans thanks to it and she probably lost some. Frankly, I was within the group of her "new fans". I started to look for information about her right after I saw JEAM video. She wasn't doing anything wrong. At least in comparison with other pop-stars...Beauty has always been an integral part of singers talent:P.
Her beauty is one of the reasons why we love her. I believe we can assume that if she had looked like Christina Aguilera (for example) we wouldn't have loved so much.

PS: kick that youtube guy's ass for insulting our Queen! :hate:

[Adams]

Even more, today there are singers, like Hilary Duff, who, on stage, during their concerts, are less dressed than Lili before... Yes, maybe the black clothes of JEAM were, for me, a little at limit of the good taste, but knowing Alizée is very shy, I imagine she would never have gone on scene with those clothes... maybe she considers her body as a form of language, maybe not even as I consider it, because I live in a country in which a girl can't work in Television if before the same girl had no posed for an erotic calendar....


Oh no, guys some of you ( not you Atlantis) are talking about those things like a man who saw naked woman ......and after that he escaped. :shock: :)


Don't forget that her black clothes from JEAM performance is one of the symbols of Alizee and she is well recognized because of that....... and it doesn't matter if you agree with me with that or not.

There's a dressed women who looks vulgarity and completely naked who looks innocent ( I mean artistic photo etc).

Good example for me is Mylene Farmer video L'Amour N'est Rien when some stupid dude on chat called that clip as a soft porno but infact Mylene has proved again that she's a genius when we are talking about performances and when we combine picture and music as a one. Excellent artistic job and I didn't see any vulgarism on it at all.

[william hall]

There will always be people who post negative remarks on youtube, that's the type of place it is, it attracts all sorts. Best just to ignore them, though i know that isn't always easy. We, her fans know Alizée is the opposite of a slut, she is sweet, well mannered, and beautiful. She knows how to use her looks of course, she is a beautiful woman, why shouldn't she. It's one of the things that sets her apart, her ability to be sexy without being vulgar or tarty.

[ghostface]

well take this for example, when a woman sleeps with alot of men, theyre considered sluts, but IF a man sleeps with alot of woman, he seems cool and nobody really cares, and is not considered something like slut

now if a man was singer and was very attractive to women, and they liked him for looks rather than his talent, u dont ever hear them get dissed for "selling" his body or looks

men and women still have a long way to go before ever becoming equal

btw why is there a smiley face on the title? you dont seem happy bout this situation lol

[PSL]

If she was trying to sell her music by using her body/sex appeal and what else people make up these days, then she would have never changed her image, she would have stayed the sexy little lolita and really tried to sell her music with her "body" but she doesnt, she changed her image to something she is more happy with, meaningly herself. i mean sure she still is beautiful,gorgeus,attractive and sexy but she doesnt have to do anything for it, its her natural presence.

And even in the lolita era she never really used her body, she always stayed sophisticated and had buckloads of class. which as said earlier is something 99.9% of all other female singers out there do not have.


ps. dont pay attention to what people say on youtube, the people who write such comments are usually jealous, or bitter inside and dont really deserve any attention.

Although i agree its never nice to read such things.

[Brian01]

If she was trying to sell her music by using her body/sex appeal and what else people make up these days, then she would have never changed her image, she would have stayed the sexy little lolita and really tried to sell her music with her "body" but she doesnt, she changed her image to something she is more happy with, meaningly herself. i mean sure she still is beautiful,gorgeus,attractive and sexy but she doesnt have to do anything for it, its her natural presence.

And even in the lolita era she never really used her body, she always stayed sophisticated and had buckloads of class. which as said earlier is something 99.9% of all other female singers out there do not have.


ps. dont pay attention to what people say on youtube, the people who write such comments are usually jealous, or bitter inside and dont really deserve any attention.

Although i agree its never nice to read such things.

+1

doodaly doodaly doo (message to short)

[Brent]

If she was trying to sell her music by using her body/sex appeal and what else people make up these days, then she would have never changed her image, she would have stayed the sexy little lolita and really tried to sell her music with her "body" but she doesnt, she changed her image to something she is more happy with, meaningly herself. i mean sure she still is beautiful,gorgeus,attractive and sexy but she doesnt have to do anything for it, its her natural presence.

And even in the lolita era she never really used her body, she always stayed sophisticated and had buckloads of class. which as said earlier is something 99.9% of all other female singers out there do not have.


ps. dont pay attention to what people say on youtube, the people who write such comments are usually jealous, or bitter inside and dont really deserve any attention.

Although i agree its never nice to read such things.

yes, first 2 albums = success

this album = failure

i dont think its bad she used it

also, why do you guys keep comparing people to britney spears, the most sluttiest woman of pop

[RMJ]

Good example for me is Mylene Farmer video L'Amour N'est Rien when some stupid dude on chat called that clip as a soft porno but infact Mylene has proved again that she's a genius when we are talking about performances and when we combine picture and music as a one. Excellent artistic job and I didn't see any vulgarism on it at all.

I do like L'Amour N'est Rien. But I don't like the JEAM outfit.

The first one is purely artistic video. I could watch that video even if in Mylène's place was Alizée, or any other singer.

But I do not like JEAM outfit because there's nothing artistic in it. It's only purpose is to show her body, without excatly putting her naked on the stage. The outfit is very cheap and quickly done without any reasonable designing. Obviously "last minute" change for JEAM. It as too much from Mylène.

[relinets]

thanxxxxxx alt to do that

[Brian01]

yes, first 2 albums = success

this album = failure

i dont think its bad she used it



Thats what pisses me off, she shouldnt have to do somthing she doesnt want to do, just to sell albums. Now I know thats what the public wants, if Lili were to walk out on stage in nothing but her underwear, she would sell millions of records. And I think that thats pretty sad if thats what an artist has to do just to be popular. :(

I just wish she could do as well without running around half naked. I wish people could see her talent and not just her body. But hey, most people suck :wink:

[Adams]

The first one is purely artistic video. I could watch that video even if in Mylène's place was Alizée, or any other singer.

But I do not like JEAM outfit because there's nothing artistic in it. It's only purpose is to show her body, without excatly putting her naked on the stage.


Yes I must agree with you RMJ about this video, it’s something brilliant though Mylene is not in my type as a woman and I don’t wanna compare her with Lili ( Alizee ....... is beauty like a dream ;)).

And when I watch JEAM sometimes I think about her sexuality and then she looks in my eyes really very attractive but I know that the whole idea of that creation is naive and not too much complicated.

But Im sure that if I stand like you someday (well......maybe) eye to eye with Lili rather I forget about her sex appeal and her body and I’ll just concentrate on conversation with her which Im sure will be much more exciting for me than even sex because I know that she has enormous intellectual potential and unique personality. She’s just the best! For me.


Now I know thats what the public wants, if Lili were to walk out on stage in nothing but her underwear, she would sell millions of records. And I think that thats pretty sad if thats what an artist has to do just to be popular. :(


Hmm........that’s not a standard and I don’t think that guys from Metallica , Pink Floyd or Rolling Stone they have better body than Lili , I guess.



also, why do you guys keep comparing people to britney spears, the most sluttiest woman of pop

Yeah.......... I don’t like Britney Spears at all.

[dana0_7]

I read the same thing on a site. It was a clip from JEM era and they said that she was there thanks to her body and to her clothes! But that was in that period! Now you can see that she has another style. When Mylene was near to her, everytime Alizee was in a show she had the same clothes, right? With ML she had that red dress, with JPVA that pink/blue dress, with JEM that fish suit etc. But now it's a pleasure when she appears. Me, as a girl, i can't wait to see her in a new show to see how she's dressed because she has a special style and i just adore it. Yes, she's very beautiful, but she has that "je ne sais quoi" who makes you love her. I understand boys, but there's something else too.

[Andres87]

She does have a great look, but that is not all, if looks would have been the only thing, she wouldn't have sold so many cd-s. Looks alone, does not make so many people give money for her albums. And fans waited years for her return, again, only looks don't give you patiance to wait that long. But she has internal beauty, great voice, and talent that comes with this great look. She has the full package. And that is what makes people buy her cd-s.
And like dana said, I like more her clothes now, I now it represents her.

[dana0_7]

Yes, it means something if we waited so much for her return. And even children love her so much. So, she does have something special!

[loveherfromusa]

On one thread we were discussing which video was her sexiest. Most agreed that Isla Bonita was her sexiest. She is mostly covered. Her actions are provocative. I like watching her be sexy. It's a performance. Pictures of her on the street show her in completely different clothes.

Enjoying the physical appearance of a singer is natural. Do you buy ugly things to wear or have in your house? I'm not saying she is a thing to purchase; just that when I watch her I invite her into my aesthetic consciousness. I want to see and hear beauty in the world.

Her new videos are playful. I enjoy watching her - enough said.

[PSL]

yes, first 2 albums = success

this album = failure

i dont think its bad she used it

also, why do you guys keep comparing people to britney spears, the most sluttiest woman of pop

How can you say this album is a failure?, its only been out for 2 months, with some shitty promotion and a bad first single.

She has to promote her new image a bit, its like she started all over again, do you think Gourmandises had became a multi selling record if they released Abracadabra as the first single? it wouldnt, it was just some smart promoting by putting one of the best songs ever as the first single with a promotion that made it inevitable to not notice her.

Something RCA failed to do, and i hope they can set it straight with Fifty Sixty, and if the record doesnt sell more after the next 2 singles you can say uts a "failure" but only chart wise, imo it can never be a failure.

[Brian01]

How can you say this album is a failure?, its only been out for 2 months, with some shitty promotion and a bad first single.

She has to promote her new image a bit, its like she started all over again, do you think Gourmandises had became a multi selling record if they released Abracadabra as the first single? it wouldnt, it was just some smart promoting by putting one of the best songs ever as the first single with a promotion that made it inevitable to not notice her.

Something RCA failed to do, and i hope they can set it straight with Fifty Sixty, and if the record doesnt sell more after the next 2 singles you can say uts a "failure" but only chart wise, imo it can never be a failure.

+1

boogidy boogidy boo

[Brent]

How can you say this album is a failure?, its only been out for 2 months, with some shitty promotion and a bad first single.

She has to promote her new image a bit, its like she started all over again, do you think Gourmandises had became a multi selling record if they released Abracadabra as the first single? it wouldnt, it was just some smart promoting by putting one of the best songs ever as the first single with a promotion that made it inevitable to not notice her.

Something RCA failed to do, and i hope they can set it straight with Fifty Sixty, and if the record doesnt sell more after the next 2 singles you can say uts a "failure" but only chart wise, imo it can never be a failure.

okay so how many months do you want to wait to have the same discussion?

there isnt a moi lolita on this album

[Brian01]

there isnt a moi lolita on this album

well no there isnt! Just check the track list!! :wink:

point is, MJ didnt do well as the first single, lets see what FS can do. FS is a better song, so we shall see.

Its true that odds are, none of the new songs will be ML status, but lets be honest, what the hell can? That songs was freakin huge, its gonna be damn hard to get another song to be that big you know? Just cause the new songs might not be as big as ML, doesnt mean the album is a failure.

Lets see what FS is able to do shall we?

[Brent]

im willing to give it a chance, but the theme of this album is a lot less dance, no more moi lolita, gourmandises, j'en ai marre, etc. i really dont think there is an ACC either.

but we will see, id be happy if i would be proven wrong, but i highly doubt i will be, i think its over. its sad to me.

i want mylene and laurent back :/

[PSL]

You cant compare the stlye of this album with moi lolita, ML was a dance track as shown in the video you should dance to it in a night club.

This songs on psy are a different style, maybe a little too many different styles but judging by the title and alizée's comments it was ment that way

But fifty sixty WILL relaunch this album, it has that potential, its just up to alizée and mostly RCA/Sony to reach that potential and unleash it into the world. if done right she will be just as famous as she used to be, ive already seen it happen, when i first played MJ out here people didnt like it, when i did the same thing like 2 weeks ago i got much more positive feedback, its even a regular track in the playlist of my favorite bar here in town.

It can take this album to a higher level its just up to the promotion.
And also its not like MCE has alot of dance songs..it had some sellers which they released as singles with some good promotion...and everything after ML didnt sell as much and nobody said things like "it's over" back then....i mean its been almost 8 years since then and with a break of 3-4 years people are still here, people bought her album even though she had a horrible promotion....

And i kinda lost my point now, but wait untill we see how they handle the promotion etc of Fifty Sixty and if it fails its the fault of RCA/Sony and not really Alizée she did what she wanted, what made her happy, she took confidence in a inexperienced yet very talented producer along with shitloads of other artists and put down a pretty good album with alteast 3 potentional hits....but hits dont become hits by itself...its all about promotion.

[Brian01]

im willing to give it a chance, but the theme of this album is a lot less dance, no more moi lolita, gourmandises, j'en ai marre, etc. i really dont think there is an ACC either.

but we will see, id be happy if i would be proven wrong, but i highly doubt i will be, i think its over. its sad to me.

i want mylene and laurent back :/


its not over!!! SHEESH!

Look at EVERY band or artist that leaves for a long time, and then comes back with a different style, the first album back, NEVER does as well as the older ones. It just takes the public time to get used to the new style. If this album doesn't do very well, im sure her next one will do alot better.

The lack of faith her isnt helping her either! If people see her own fans looking on the down side of everything, they arnt gonna be to excited about her either! Stay positive people, please.

[Brent]

ha good luck with 50/60 i think it will be even less successful than the ML, i think there is no specified style as you said, and if you like one of her new songs there is no guarantee you would like the next single

well its my word against yours, we will let it it ride out

i just dont think its a good album

[Brent]

If this album doesn't do very well, im sure her next one will do alot better.

^ lol, like mariah carey or faith hill? this is what happens when people try to make their own albums more of their opinion and style. my music professor pointed it out with a lot of examples, i think this is no different.

again, i am no being unfaithful, i just know the album isnt what people want to hear

sorry to be frustrating, its just that im still listening to the old albums and the new one is deleted. i think its a pretty safe assumption to the recent topics springing up around half the forum feels the same way. lets count how many people have went missing recently in the past 6 months lol

i wish i could fast forward in time to show you but this is going to take months

[Brian01]

^ lol, like mariah carey or faith hill? this is what happens when people try to make their own albums more of their opinion and style. my music professor pointed it out with a lot of examples, i think this is no different.

again, i am no being unfaithful, i just know the album isnt what people want to hear

sorry to be frustrating, its just that im still listening to the old albums and the new one is deleted. i think its a pretty safe assumption to the recent topics springing up around half the forum feels the same way. lets count how many people have went missing recently in the past 6 months lol

i wish i could fast forward in time to show you but this is going to take months

well thats your opinion i guess.
Im not gonna fight with you about it, cause your opinions are your own :)



I should make a forum for just those who want to live in the past, and have only that Lili, id charge admission though, and if what you say is right Brent, id be freakin rich :P

[PSL]

ha good luck with 50/60 i think it will be even less successful than the ML, i think there is no specified style as you said, and if you like one of her new songs there is no guarantee you would like the next single

This almost made no sense to me.

Less succesfull then ML?....wasnt ML one of the best sold singles in this decade?
And there is no specific style, its a mix of alot of styles its "psychedelic"
And there is always a guarantee that one would like the next single...so far all the singles has been good, some better than the other but nobody can make every single better than the last one.

But the fact remains that she keeps selling, she is unique she didnt tagged along on a hype or current style like the nu metal rock in the end of the 90's and early 2000, or like the whole rap scene in 2002-2004, and even the current monopoly of R&B or whatever that crap is called will come to an end and alot of artist will fade away , its the unique style of artists that stays populair and i dont blame you if you dont like this album it is you own taste, but if you were not on this forum and just got your information from the promotions you wouldnt even notice alizée was back and you probably would have never heard MJ, but i am 100% sure that you WOULD notice Fifty Sixty if it is given the promotion that Lolita got. just because you maybe already listened to 50-60 a tenfold of times its not "new" anymore and thats is ok because one still enjoys it and more important it will attract new and old people that wil purchase the single and after that the album.

[PSL]

^ lol, like mariah carey or faith hill? this is what happens when people try to make their own albums more of their opinion and style. my music professor pointed it out with a lot of examples, i think this is no different.

again, i am no being unfaithful, i just know the album isnt what people want to hear

sorry to be frustrating, its just that im still listening to the old albums and the new one is deleted. i think its a pretty safe assumption to the recent topics springing up around half the forum feels the same way. lets count how many people have went missing recently in the past 6 months lol

i wish i could fast forward in time to show you but this is going to take months

Mariah carey and faith hill are the worse singers you could mention :p
Miss carey went from smooth lovely ballads to some wannabe hiphop style...and that never sells...it can even get worse, like limp bizkit, once the nu metal era was over..limp bizkit was over...eminem...he probably was the only one in his music style that i really enjoyed...i even went to his concert but he was smart enough to realize that he cant keep doing what he did because the current music hype changes constantly and if you cannot adapt yourself you are doomed, thats why he "retired" and took time to maybe figure out a new more personal style or what he is doing now starts to produce songs for other artists.

There ARE artits who totally change their style and still sell as much, just look at for example Linkin Park, Nelly Furtado, Pink, Kelly Clarkson, Avril Lavigne, they all changed their style and became more populair...LP is close to sell as much albums as their first album even though it got some terrible comments from people who we cant really call fans but still bought the first 2 albums..and even those people turned 180 degrees...nelly furtado? dont think she was ever this populair...Avril lavigne...sold more records with her latest albums than the first 2 combined...kelly clarkson is maybe the black sheep in my list but she went from poppy idol crap to her own style and had a few smashing hits...pinl..same story from some R&B style to a more rocking style and...she sold more albums after a while...

Artist need to change...in order to evolve...in order to grow...and those artist are usually in it because they enjoy to make music and perform and not just earn money..

This change of style only works in the benefit of alizée maybe not right away because you need some hell of material to achieve that but in time people will turn around again and in time say "i cant stop going back to listen to fifty-sixty,lilly town,par les paupieres etc" .

You'll see.

[Brent]

Mariah carey and faith hill are the worse singers you could mention :p
Miss carey went from smooth lovely ballads to some wannabe hiphop style...and that never sells...it can even get worse, like limp bizkit, once the nu metal era was over..limp bizkit was over...eminem...he probably was the only one in his music style that i really enjoyed...i even went to his concert but he was smart enough to realize that he cant keep doing what he did because the current music hype changes constantly and if you cannot adapt yourself you are doomed, thats why he "retired" and took time to maybe figure out a new more personal style or what he is doing now starts to produce songs for other artists.

There ARE artits who totally change their style and still sell as much, just look at for example Linkin Park, Nelly Furtado, Pink, Kelly Clarkson, Avril Lavigne, they all changed their style and became more populair...LP is close to sell as much albums as their first album even though it got some terrible comments from people who we cant really call fans but still bought the first 2 albums..and even those people turned 180 degrees...nelly furtado? dont think she was ever this populair...Avril lavigne...sold more records with her latest albums than the first 2 combined...kelly clarkson is maybe the black sheep in my list but she went from poppy idol crap to her own style and had a few smashing hits...pinl..same story from some R&B style to a more rocking style and...she sold more albums after a while...

Artist need to change...in order to evolve...in order to grow...and those artist are usually in it because they enjoy to make music and perform and not just earn money..

This change of style only works in the benefit of alizée maybe not right away because you need some hell of material to achieve that but in time people will turn around again and in time say "i cant stop going back to listen to fifty-sixty,lilly town,par les paupieres etc" .

You'll see.

wait... linkin park sold this time more than meteora? at this point on the U.S. billboard top 200 it has sold 2,200,00. where meteora sold 5,500,000.

pink has one single out but how good is she doing? lol

what about kelly clarkson? a new song that wasnt near as popular as her old ones?

lol@avril lavigne

real artist: kanye west, who dared to do what noone else in his industry would do and still get handfulls of awards.

but lets see, the only one who had massive numbers on this list was nelly furtado, and her change was really dramatic and changing, so was kanye's.

i cannot say that alizee's album is "daring" or "courageous", if anything it seems to be low key and safe, i dont think you can compare psych. to these types of albums.

[Brian01]

yeah well at least Lili doesnt cry when she doesnt win an award like kanye does :P :P :P :P

[Brent]

her mom isnt dead...

that was low, i just lost respect

[Brian01]

her mom isnt dead...

that was low, i just lost respect

lol i didnt know why he was upset, i just saw the footage of him coursing like a sailer back stage :P
the story as was told here, was that he was pissed cause he lost. Said nothing about a dead mother.

and not to be rude, but do you rly think that you loosing respect for me would really bother me at all? :wink: I just started getting used to you being nice to me, if you stopped and went back to the way you were before, wouldnt be that big a deal :P :P :P :P

[Brent]

This almost made no sense to me.

Less succesfull then ML?....wasnt ML one of the best sold singles in this decade?
And there is no specific style, its a mix of alot of styles its "psychedelic"
And there is always a guarantee that one would like the next single...so far all the singles has been good, some better than the other but nobody can make every single better than the last one.

But the fact remains that she keeps selling, she is unique she didnt tagged along on a hype or current style like the nu metal rock in the end of the 90's and early 2000, or like the whole rap scene in 2002-2004, and even the current monopoly of R&B or whatever that crap is called will come to an end and alot of artist will fade away , its the unique style of artists that stays populair and i dont blame you if you dont like this album it is you own taste, but if you were not on this forum and just got your information from the promotions you wouldnt even notice alizée was back and you probably would have never heard MJ, but i am 100% sure that you WOULD notice Fifty Sixty if it is given the promotion that Lolita got. just because you maybe already listened to 50-60 a tenfold of times its not "new" anymore and thats is ok because one still enjoys it and more important it will attract new and old people that wil purchase the single and after that the album.

i meant MJ my bad

[Brent]

lol i didnt know why he was upset, i just saw the footage of him coursing like a sailer back stage :P
the story as was told here, was that he was pissed cause he lost. Said nothing about a dead mother.

and not to be rude, but do you rly think that you loosing respect for me would really bother me at all? :wink: I just started getting used to you being nice to me, if you stopped and went back to the way you were before, wouldnt be that big a deal :P :P :P :P

lol i dont expect you to care, youre 15, what do you guys care about haha

[Brian01]

lol i dont expect you to care, youre 15, what do you guys care about haha

Im only a little over a year younger then you bud :wink:

And Im sorry about his mom, but the story as i saw it, was he was just pissed cause he lost.

and even if I was 15, doesnt mean i couldnt care about things :)

[Brent]

This almost made no sense to me.
Less succesfull then ML?....wasnt ML one of the best sold singles in this decade?


lol btw, no it wasnt, maybe in italy and poland, but it didnt even reach top spots in some major countries in europe inluding france

[Brent]

Im only a little over a year younger then you bud :wink:

And Im sorry about his mom, but the story as i saw it, was he was just pissed cause he lost.

and even if I was 15, doesnt mean i couldnt care about things :)

he performed his song that he made about his mom while she was alive there

[PSL]

wait... linkin park sold this time more than meteora?
Yes..meteora sold around 6.7million copies....Minutes to midnight sold 6.4 up until now...after 10 months...meteora sold around 4 million after 10 months....so yes it sold more...and it got ALOT of bad reviews when it was released...but sales dont lie.
pink has one single out but how good is she doing?
i was reffering to the change from her first album Can't take me home to her second album M!ssundaztood which contained world wide hits like "get this party started" , "dont let me get me'' ''Just like a pill'' and ''Family Portrait''

Big change - Even bigger sales

what about kelly clarkson? a new song that wasnt near as popular as her old ones?

Again reffering to her post idol album and the album Breakway which had some world wide hits like,"Since you've been gone" "Behind these hazel Eyes" ,''Because of you'' and "Breakaway" interesting story here is...that the album sales in the first few months were depressing compared to her first album...however after the release and promotion of the singles it went up the charts and stayed in the top20 for over a year.....also interesting fact is that her record label was RCA...yes...RCA...:shock:

lol@avril lavigne
You can lol....but...you cant deny she is more successfull than ever... already sold over 5 million albums after 10 months...while her 2nd album sold in total close to 8 million..her first one sold over 16 million over a time of 6 years...
real artist: kanye west, who dared to do what noone else in his industry would do and still get handfulls of awards.

True but his sales of his latest album are low...just over 1 million albums up untill now...and i dont really take the grammy awards serious.
But true he changed his style a bit...its still hip hop but its different...i dont really know much more about it because its not really my kind of music but i admit and support his decision to change.

but lets see, the only one who had massive numbers on this list was nelly furtado, and her change was really dramatic and changing, so was kanye's.

i cannot say that alizee's album is "daring" or "courageous", if anything it seems to be low key and safe, i dont think you can compare psych. to these types of albums.

Nelly's change was huge...from some weird folklore pop sound to a more...well...cant really put a label on her music...but its a mix of Pop, R&B, hip hop, dance-pop, and pop rock, and some latin pop with juanes.

And may i point out that they have a much much wider audience than alizée, she is reduced to France,Mexico and parts of asia.

However look at this table

Mexican Top 100 Albums Chart - 17
Mexican International Top 20 Albums Chart - 1
French Download Chart - 7
French Top 200 Albums Chart - 16
Swiss Top 100 Albums Chart - 99
Belgium(Wallonia)Ultra Top 50 Albums - 50

That was only because of her loyal fans...and maybe a handfull of people that liked and were able to listen to and see MJ on tv/radio, and i dont think those are some bad charts...its only in france and mexico..and swiss and belgium but thats just the fans over there and not the majority of the folks over there....and i hate to say it again because i said it a few times already :p , when they give fifty sixty a proper promotion and air time on tv and radio in a few more countries her sales will rise and you will hear nobody again.

But please do not expect her to sell millions of records just yet...gourmandises didnt sold millions right away aswell..it takes time...its harder for people to find out about her if they arent looking for her on the innerweb..

[PSL]

lol btw, no it wasnt, maybe in italy and poland, but it didnt even reach top spots in some major countries in europe inluding france

Moi lolita chart positions...


France Top 100 -2
Italy Top 20 -1
Spain Top 20 -1
Belgium Top 20 - 4
Austria Top 40 - 5
German Top 40 - 5
Denmark Top 20 - 9
Polish Top 20 - 1
UK Singles Top 40 - 9
Swiss Top 100 - 11
Swedish Top 100 - 52
Netherlands Top 40 - 2


Pretty decent single

But Mademoiselle Juliette sold worse...but we all know the story behind that.

[Brent]

lol, you are going by the people who bought on the hype around the world if that is indeed true, which i havent seen those stats anywhere

anyways, mine are in america, which shows that after we've had a taste of them we aren't recieving them as well, stuff gets old, especially that new album, which ive reported american statistics

kanye's album didn't sale much, but what about all his awards, and more importantly, stronger, the single, broke countless records, how many weeks was it the worlds #1? case rested.

and yes, moi lolita was decent, but like i said, it wasnt exaclty cream of the crop

MJ sold worse because it was circular and not exactly a good song

edit: also kanye west released stronger before the album was out, so that is a solid reason for the album sales to die down so quickly, the songs were also heard before the album was out. they were playing at clubs, it beat LP out for 2007's record for most album's sold in a week.

[PSL]

Its a well known fact that the music taste of americans is not the same as the rest of the world...i sometimes take a look at the billboard charts and think...why would anyone buy that kind of crap..but that is just my opinion and music taste...

And you want sale statistics of albums that were made in certain era's?

Why? that wasnt my point...my point was that real artists who are indeed talented or smart enough to hire some talented producers while having an influence of 80% in the final album, still sell alot of albums whilst they drasticly changed their style...

And for the love of god, be a bit more clear in what you are saying...english is not my mother tongue and although i can understand it fine im having some problems understanding you....but maybe that is the time it is here at the moment and im not as clear as in the morning.

[Brent]

well it is a fact that american music is in the rest of the world's top 10 charts, but no european music gets into the american top 10.

of course we dont speak the same language as all of europe, but england listens to stuff that isnt their language.

[Brian01]

oh! and on a side note, Brent, you and I ARE talking about two different things. I was talking about an award show in which kanye lost when he thought he was 100% gonna win, thats when he went back stage and started cursing at the stage people and having a tantrum about loosing. You are talking about when a sang a song about his mom and started to cry. Which is understandable.

Just wanted to let you know, that i wasnt even talking about whatever it is you thought I was, so no need to hate me :P


ON TOPIC!

I think we should give Lili some time, and everything will be fine

[Brent]

yeah forget all of the topic, lets go live in melbourne

[PSL]

Is european music getting promoted in the usa? not really...is europe being force fed with all kinds of american music? yes..

And looking at the current billboard top 10 of the states there are 3-4 songs that are populair in europe...Rihanna with her dont stop the music (which isnt weird since it uses a sample from mister jackson)

Further...Timbaland and Alicia keys....
And that is pretty much it
So its not as big as you think...and true american artists are populair in the rest of the world, i cant deny that...but its not what is in the top 10 currently.

I can list all kinds of american artists that are big in the rest of the world....but i cba at this point...i made my point clear and it is a bit complex but its true that true artists keep on selling records while other flukes dont

We got way off topic, the words body and alizée havent been mentioned for a while now :p

[Brian01]

yeah forget all of the topic, lets go live in melbourne

what does that mean? lol

[fallenONE]

this sales thing is tearing AF apart

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[Brian01]

this sales thing is tearing AF apart

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no it aint bud :) Me and Brent just had a misunderstanding, no harm done, and him and PSL are just having a debate :P

This is what the forum is for! Discussion! As long as no one get shot or stabbed, I think we're ok!! :D

[Brent]

Is european music getting promoted in the usa? not really...is europe being force fed with all kinds of american music? yes..

And looking at the current billboard top 10 of the states there are 3-4 songs that are populair in europe...Rihanna with her dont stop the music (which isnt weird since it uses a sample from mister jackson)

Further...Timbaland and Alicia keys....
And that is pretty much it
So its not as big as you think...and true american artists are populair in the rest of the world, i cant deny that...but its not what is in the top 10 currently.

I can list all kinds of american artists that are big in the rest of the world....but i cba at this point...i made my point clear and it is a bit complex but its true that true artists keep on selling records while other flukes dont

We got way off topic, the words body and alizée havent been mentioned for a while now :p

lol we arent forcing it, as the people, anyways, rihanna has been #1 for a long time there, is that my fault?


this sales thing is tearing AF apart

=[

heh, do we look like we hate eachother?

[Knight]

heh, do we look like we hate eachother?

If you are asking then

yes :lol:

[Brian01]

Well i hate Brent, but not cause of this. He killed my father with a pack of stampeding wildebeests when i was a child :mad:

:P :P :P :P

[Brent]

lion king

i heard a lvl 70 female priest rezzed ur dad

[Brian01]

lion king

i heard a lvl 70 female priest rezzed ur dad

lol was waiting for someone to get that :)
And no, a lvl 7 gnome did, so now my dad has an arm comming out of his head, and can only speak in broken Cantonese :shock:


(PS: glad your still speaking to me Brent, sorry for the misunderstanding :D)

[Brent]

i was never mad... lol

[Brian01]

i was never mad... lol


yes but you "lost respect" :P

[fallenONE]

but overall, all the threads and the concern about her dropping sales is at least giving me a bit of a hard time

[PSL]

lol we arent forcing it, as the people, anyways, rihanna has been #1 for a long time there, is that my fault?

No i never said it is your or anyones fault, im just pointing out that fact that america has two sides, a side that "provides" some of the greatest artists ever who keep evolving and selling records and not to forget earn alot of respect from the people who become a fan,

And there is a side that rides with the current hype or music style era, producers come up with songs, find a pretty face to sing it and cash in, while a few years later the producers moved onto the next hype while the singers will be never heard of again.

Thats how i see it, and that is how it went down and is still going down.
Time will tell if singers like rihanna are still around in 5 years.
Time will tell if Psychédélices gets a boost from a proper 50/60 promotion because the song has that potential.
And time will tell if i will ever find my damn psg lighter....



heh, do we look like we hate eachother?

Yea dont think there was ever even a slightest hint of someone not liking one other, we just had a little discussion and it got a bit off topic that is all :)

If people cant have a discussion about something without having to dislike eachother, we would be living in a pretty fucked up world.

But we all love each other so its all good :)

[loveherfromusa]

Some artists have produced 20 CDs, some of them do very well, some not so well. Some artists have received Grammys for their 10th CDs. As long as she doesn't give up, I hope to see her until I am using a walker to get her latest release.

[Brian01]

Some artists have produced 20 CDs, some of them do very well, some not so well. Some artists have received Grammys for their 10th CDs. As long as she doesn't give up, I hope to see her until I am using a walker to get her latest release.


+1

although if my back doesnt get better, ill be using a walker real soon :)

[Brent]

@PSL, right now she is looking like the most solid artist in america, appearing in so many songs off and on her own album :]

[nyI{o]

@PSL, right now she is looking like the most solid artist in america, appearing in so many songs off and on her own album :]

plus winning a Grammy...or 2??

[PSL]

@PSL, right now she is looking like the most solid artist in america, appearing in so many songs off and on her own album :]

Ofcourse she maybe is the most populair artist in the stats at the moment in the current hype.

But will she still be in a few years?...i doubt it..
Unless she takes control , and does what alizée is doing, sure she will lose sales, maybe even "fans" but she will gain alot of respect and much more fans over time.

And like i said grammy's dont mean anything to me.
Even amy whatshername got some....which is ridiculous.

[Brent]

well we can agree to disagree that alizee has taken over anything lol

i want her to suceed, she just hasnt done it on a household name scale yet

its pretty easy to make an impression on france, thats been obvious throughout its music chart history

[Mathias]

I disagree, if she was selling her music with her body, would her first album ( at age 15 ) have sold 5mil?
The poster was probably a troll anyway, seeing that Alizee is a Youtube Celeb, he/she realized that a good way to start a flame war would be to insult the performer.
And as for her J'en Ai Marre dance, provocative, yes, though not to a large extent, if you watch En Concert, 'slut' is one of the last things to come to mind.
Alizee has considerable talent for singing but she also has a rather beatiful body, marketing is about pushing the product any way you can or have to, she could have gone all Madonna and probably gotten more sucess, but she didn't and I admire that.

As I put a final edit on my post prior to submitting it, I looked down and I see that the last post was kinda in another topic so, to address this :

I belive Alizee to be a success dispite the rather dismal sales of her last 2 albums, she has become an internet sensation and, in this day and age, that's what really counts, no?

[Linkin_pl]

Well, i think that theres no reason to care about "stupid comments on youtube". I have seen them a lot and most of them are really ... without any sense:) This one is one of my favourites : "Youtube was made in america....So in for english language ONLY" :D

I would agree (barelly) that Alizee is selling her music with her natural beauty.

Anyway, is there a point to buy music cds because u like the way how singer looks only...?

[Isabella]

Yeah, her body was a important part of her succes i think (not only, because the songs are also very good). But i think now she won't that anymore. I think she wants fans more because of her music, you can see that at her performances now, they