Does Alizée lip-sync? [Archive]

IronRodent

17th June 2004, 06:30

Being new to this forum, I don't know if this has been brought up many times before but...
From watching some of the videos of Alizee's performances, be it on TV or in concert, I noticed that I'm not actually hearing her live voice when she sings. Rather, they sound just like the studio versions. Is this the doing of the authors of the videos or something different?
Of course I've also seen the ones where she does sing live, ie Moi Lolita at Eurobest, La Isla Bonita, L'important C'est D'aimer.
It really makes no difference if this is true or not. I'm just curious and wanting my suspicion to be reaffirmed or disproved. That's all.
Thanks a million.

Ayan

17th June 2004, 07:00

99% of the performances in the French TV shows are lipsynched. Its almost like a tradition, so cant blame anyone here.

Rick Rivers

17th June 2004, 07:06

Being new to this forum, I don't know if this has been brought up many times before but...
There's a simple way to you to know, use the search engine of the Forum and I'm sure you'll find toons of lip-sync subject. :wink:

Xing

17th June 2004, 10:22

it can be hard to get live acoustics right so that it will sound good for the studio audience as well as the TV audience. So it's usually lip-synced..

monkeygod

17th June 2004, 12:10

Yeah, unfortunately thats just the way it is over there. But she DOES perform 100% live on her tour.

I had started a similar thread here:

http://www.alizee-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6492

Moco

17th June 2004, 21:35

What monkeygod says is true. She simply will not do a concert lip-syncing. Even if it's at the expense of doing less dancing, she'll sing every single song live.

But I don't buy the reasoning with lip-syncing on TV shows. I know it's not Alizée's decision, it's just what the TV shows do. But as far as all the technical stuff with acoustics and such, I don't think there's any real problem. Just watch any musical performance here in the US. The majority of the time, you'll see singers singing live. Lip-syncing isn't really accepted over here. But in France it's different. I guess people just don't care if they're really hearing something in playback.

squeaky ladida

18th June 2004, 02:57

yeah, seriously
when i first heard of it (Well, first i got really curious as to why the quality was soo good) and then got it confirmed, i was pretty disappointed/shocked
I was like, wtf?
but i guess that's just how it is...
and wasn't La Isla Bonita synched too?

btw, just a question, but during her earlier TV performances, did she tend to get a little... out of synch? I just watched one of her early L'Alizé vids and she's a bit off a lot of the time

Moco

18th June 2004, 03:27

That's probably just the video. The encoder probably didn't do a good job of syncing up the audio and video. I'm sure if you saw the show broadcast on TV, it would've looked fine.

Out of curiosity, which video is it?

squeaky ladida

18th June 2004, 03:54

Alizée - 2000-09-12 - Performance - L'Alizé - Téléthon - FR2

maybe it's just that is looks like sometimes she's overexagerating her lips or something since she isn't really singing... i dunno
and there's one performance of moi...lolita where her sync is a bit off
don't feel like finding it now.. .maybe later

monkeygod

18th June 2004, 05:25

Naysayers only need to go look at Moi Lolita @ TOTP Italy to see that Alizee can really sing live. You can audibly hear it as she claps her hand against the mic.

It's perhaps the ONLY real LIVE televised SOLO performance of Alizee available other than the crappy quality Korean one.

squeaky ladida

18th June 2004, 07:02

TOTP england moi lolita
also her live
you can tell

monkeygod

18th June 2004, 07:53

TOTP england moi lolita
also her live
you can tell

Hmm, ill have to check on that. We might be talkin' about the same performance. sometimes the video filenames are wrong

Moco

18th June 2004, 08:54

TOTP england moi lolita
also her live
you can tell

Hmm, ill have to check on that. We might be talkin' about the same performance. sometimes the video filenames are wrong
Yeah, I remember a video that was mislabled as TOTP England when it was really from either the Netherlands or Germany. I don't think the actual TOTP England performance is available on the net.

Squeaky, is there a logo in the corner of the screen on that vid? If so, what does it say?

mjatdublin

3rd May 2006, 06:16

I saw the following in forum

"It looks like she’s lip-syncing in every video I’ve seen. Doesn’t she ever sing live?

That’s just the way the majority of all televised musical performances in France (and most of Europe too) are done. All singers do this, not just Alizée, but there are a handful of TV performances where she sings live:
Moi… Lolita @ Top of the Pops Italy, Eurobest, Star Academy & a performance in Korea.
In addition, she sang 100% live for her 2003 concert tour as well as the Les Enfoirés concerts."

I wonder how did the writer know those? And if its true,why? I think her live performances were great(for example the concert), the way she carried herself is so refined and elegant,with her beautiful voice,its perfect.so why shes lip-syncing in so many performances,thats in her request or the organizer or sponsor?

AimLXJ

3rd May 2006, 06:19

Laziness?
MTS :lol:

Everybody has to be lazy at time

Le Fidèle

3rd May 2006, 06:20

who cares. . .

just watch her dance and you wont have too look at her mouth. . . sheesh.

AimLXJ

3rd May 2006, 06:24

who cares. . .

just watch her dance and you wont have too look at her mouth. . . sheesh.

Its not that easy
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8568/frame004120ir3no.th.jpg (http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frame004120ir3no.jpg)

:lol:

mjatdublin

3rd May 2006, 06:36

Laziness?
MTS :lol:

Everybody has to be lazy at time
laziness?come on,she woundnt lazy when performing :?

btw,MTS means what? :cheesy:

AimLXJ

3rd May 2006, 06:40

MTS=Message To Short

Hmm, who knows, we usually have stupid reasons for stuff(or its just me :lol: )

mjatdublin

3rd May 2006, 06:42

who cares. . .

just watch her dance and you wont have too look at her mouth. . . sheesh.
i care :cry: ,i hope the voice i heard coming out of her mouth,

AimLXJ

3rd May 2006, 06:46

Yera, sometimes she can uhhh lip sync really bad :? , forgot which video it was, I was listening and watching her lips and you can tell she was late

RMJ

3rd May 2006, 07:37

I wonder how did the writer know those? And if its true,why? I think her live performances were great(for example the concert), the way she carried herself is so refined and elegant,with her beautiful voice,its perfect.so why shes lip-syncing in so many performances,thats in her request or the organizer or sponsor?
Yes, they are true. 99,9% of her promotional performances are lipsynced. It's common way to do it in Europe (especially in France). The list you quoted has most of the not-lipsynced performances (some other small bits exists).

It's not likely to be her choice if she needs to lipsync or not. It's simply the TV channel's (and/or record company's) guide lines.

She is excellent singer when given chance, tho. Great example is her concert and those few non-lipsynced videos. She could easily sing live if given chance for it.

But if she would sing live in all her performances, there most likely wouldn't be performacnes like JPVA and JEAM. The dances included in them would be hard to do with keeping decent voice through out the song. Notice in TOTP Italy for example, where she sings Moi...Lolita live (and ML isn't even the hardest performances physically) she moves a lot less than normally when she sings in promo performances. That's because she needs to concentrate on her voice more than usual.

In Concert, that effect is clearly visible. The songs where she moves less, the singing is perfect, but in songs where she moves a lot and gets excited (ML, JPVA, JEAM, ACC for example) her singing changes because it's hard to dance/run and sing at the same time. In JEAM she doesn't do the whole JEAM dance, just the easiest parts of it. In JPVA, she does most of the moves of that dance, and it's clearly visible in her voice. During ACC she keeps running back and forth touching people's hands and again her singing isn't perfect. It's physically very hard. She has perfect live voice but it's just physically impossible to sing perfectly when running all around. It's compromise that has to be dealt.

Of course she could have done PTB live easily, but most likely she wasn't allowed. It's just how things works in Europe.

YCZ

3rd May 2006, 08:37

Laziness?
MTS :lol:

Everybody has to be lazy at time
laziness?come on,she woundnt lazy when performing :?

btw,MTS means what? :cheesy:
Too freaking bad
we all want her not to lip sync but are we getting it?
nooooooooo

John

3rd May 2006, 15:53

In addition, she sang 100% live for her 2003 concert tour as well as the Les Enfoirés concerts."

Singing live isn't always good to do. I have some bootlegs of her concerts and its very off and on. Sometimes its great, sometimes its not.

Also for the release of the DVD don't they "clean up" to make it sound better? Not sure what the exact term is.

zigabric1

3rd May 2006, 17:21

Nope I dont think so. I if its a live performance then its live. Only the best musicans, who sing good can release a concert album. But in studio, when they are recording sonds, there they clean or cut the bad parts and re-record them.

HumbleHero

3rd May 2006, 18:23

RMJ

3rd May 2006, 19:18

En Concert DVD she is Live and I doubt they "clean up" anything because they already had the sound configured, Their is an extra in the DVD that shows them rehearsing Youpidou and the sound guy is making sound the best.
Of course it's cleaned afterwards, too. It's also cut and edited with tapes from the different concerts.

But it isn't heavily edited like her studio albums. En Concert still has the live touch on it.

zigabric1

3rd May 2006, 19:49

I think he means, 1.) that they later cleaned up the sound ("her voice"), that it will be more correct, or 2.)that they just got all the recordings from the camera edited and put together.
IF (he meant == 1)

I seriously doubt it, because Alizee is a very good singer, so she dont need to fix her voice by a computer.

IF (he meant ==2)

That is of course true. They need to put it togetter with a computer.

:roll:

RMJ

3rd May 2006, 19:55

Both are done.

None of those audiotracks are clean enough fod POP DVD. Not even the one carrying her voice.

Brent

3rd May 2006, 22:58

on her videos i like the dancing more than the singing, because i hear the music all the time, i like seeing her 2nd talent :P

Hrvoje

3rd May 2006, 23:23

What`s wrong with she's lip-syncing

zigabric1

3rd May 2006, 23:34

You really think, that they have cleaned and corrected her voice at the En Concerte dvd???

Draven

3rd May 2006, 23:40

What`s wrong with she's lip-syncing

Probably nothing, but remember that, in some countries people might find it to be strange thing to do on a stage.

Moco

4th May 2006, 02:16

Like in the US; lip-syncing is heavily frowned upon here. Jokes about Britney Spears and her lip-syncing is a common occurrence on late night talk shows.

As for the "why" it's done, in addition to the dancing explanation RMJ gave, it also saves the singer's voice for real concerts. With the heavy promotional schedule some of these singers do, if they sang live on every TV show they appeared on, they'd lose their voice quickly and sound even worse in concert.

There's also a lot more setup and rehearsal time for live performances. Since music shows are so common in France, it's just a lot easier to have singers lip-sync (and musicians pretend to play their instruments) to save time setting up microphones, sound levels, etc... Maybe it is lazy of the TV channels to do this, but they churn out these performances as if they were factories mass producing something. Cheap and efficient.

staos

4th May 2006, 02:18

Lip syncing is looked down on (at least where Im from) because it shows no talent and its sort of disrespectful to the people who came just to see the singer perform. But then again, different countries, different standards so I don't know if its really that big of a deal or not where she is.

mjatdublin

4th May 2006, 03:46

But if she would sing live in all her performances, there most likely wouldn't be performacnes like JPVA and JEAM. The dances included in them would be hard to do with keeping decent voice through out the song. Notice in TOTP Italy for example, where she sings Moi...Lolita live (and ML isn't even the hardest performances physically) she moves a lot less than normally when she sings in promo performances. That's because she needs to concentrate on her voice more than usual.

In Concert, that effect is clearly visible. The songs where she moves less, the singing is perfect, but in songs where she moves a lot and gets excited (ML, JPVA, JEAM, ACC for example) her singing changes because it's hard to dance/run and sing at the same time. In JEAM she doesn't do the whole JEAM dance, just the easiest parts of it. In JPVA, she does most of the moves of that dance, and it's clearly visible in her voice. During ACC she keeps running back and forth touching people's hands and again her singing isn't perfect. It's physically very hard. She has perfect live voice but it's just physically impossible to sing perfectly when running all around. It's compromise that has to be dealt.

i agree with you,but i prefer listening her sang live not lipsynced,even if her voice sounded not perfect. ofc,this is my personal opinion, :D

RMJ

4th May 2006, 04:00

i agree with you,but i prefer listening her sang live not lipsynced,even if her voice sounded not perfect. ofc,this is my personal opinion, :D
Her voice is always perfect... :oops:

It's the singing that might not be perfect if too much physical activity going on. :)

Of course, I prefer real live singing, too. But I also understand that there is reasons that might not always allow her to sing live. We just gotta live with it. It doesn't make her any less talented, we know she has wonderful voice and can sing better than anyone else...

Brent

4th May 2006, 04:47

anybody from america remember the ashlee simpson singing incident? goodness. lol

AimLXJ

4th May 2006, 06:30

anybody from america remember the ashlee simpson singing incident? goodness. lol

Who can't? :roll: :lol:

YCZ

4th May 2006, 06:39

anybody from america remember the ashlee simpson singing incident? goodness. lol
stop it the poor girl got a sore throat that day :\

Orion

4th May 2006, 06:40

well, didn't she blame it on the band . . . something about playing the wrong song etc :lol:

YCZ

4th May 2006, 06:41

well, didn't she blame it on the band . . . something about playing the wrong song etc :lol:
what it happened was she just sang that song, and the song got play again. BUSTED

mjatdublin

5th May 2006, 03:01

AimLXJ

5th May 2006, 03:40

RMJ

5th May 2006, 03:48

But if she would sing live in all her performances, there most likely wouldn't be performacnes like JPVA and JEAM. The dances included in them would be hard to do with keeping decent voice through out the song.
that means all of her JPVA and JEAM performances were not live sing? :cry:
Yes.

Somewhat full list of her LIVE performances:

Moi...Lolita : Top of the Pops show in Italy ( full song )
Moi...Lolita : in Korea ( full song )
Moi...Lolita : Star Academy 3 ( duet with Amina )
Moi...Lolita : Eurobest ( she only sings the end of the song.. )
Moi...Lolita : Amsterdam ( just few first lines are live. after that it's lipsynced )
Moi...Lolita : sings few lines after L'Alizé performance in Le Grande Hit
Moi...Lolita : Stars à Domicile 2001 ( sings part of the song over a tape )
Moi...Lolita : Studio 22 ( live radio appearance. No video )
J'en Ai Marre : in Japanese show. ( only few second clip is available )
J'en Ai Marre : Start à Domicile 2003 ( sings part of the song over a tape )
Les Enfoirés 2001
Les Enfoirés 2002
En Concert DVD ( & bootlegs )

If I forgot something... one can correct me...

mjatdublin

5th May 2006, 04:12

thank you very much,i will download all because they were sang live :wink:

Orion

5th May 2006, 05:47

But if she would sing live in all her performances, there most likely wouldn't be performacnes like JPVA and JEAM. The dances included in them would be hard to do with keeping decent voice through out the song.
that means all of her JPVA and JEAM performances were not live sing? :cry:
Yes.

Somewhat full list of her LIVE performances:

Moi...Lolita : Top of the Pops show in Italy ( full song )
Moi...Lolita : in Korea ( full song )
Moi...Lolita : Star Academy 3 ( duet with Amina )
Moi...Lolita : Eurobest ( she only sings the end of the song.. )
Moi...Lolita : Amsterdam ( just few first lines are live. after that it's lipsynced )
Moi...Lolita : sings few lines after L'Alizé performance in Le Grande Hit
Moi...Lolita : Stars à Domicile 2001 ( sings part of the song over a tape )
Moi...Lolita : Studio 22 ( live radio appearance. No video )
J'en Ai Marre : in Japanese show. ( only few second clip is available )
J'en Ai Marre : Start à Domicile 2003 ( sings part of the song over a tape )
Les Enfoirés 2001
Les Enfoirés 2002
En Concert DVD ( & bootlegs )

If I forgot something... one can correct me...

I am still not totally convinced that the TOTP Italy was without any sort of aid.Comparing other ML live performances that are a certainty, the totp Italy seems just too perfect . . . . too much discrepancy when compared to her other live performances. I am pretty certain she had aid . . . maybe my ears need a cleaning ( :arrowl: just opened myself up for ridicule, didn't I :lol: )

tern

5th May 2006, 05:58

thank you very much,i will download all because they were sang live :wink:

And the whole live DVD!

but don't download that. :wink:

mjatdublin

5th May 2006, 06:02

thank you very much,i will download all because they were sang live :wink:

And the whole live DVD!

but don't download that. :wink:

of course not,i bought the dvd,you cant believe how hard i found it since it havent released in my country :P

RMJ

5th May 2006, 06:54

thank you very much,i will download all because they were sang live :wink:

And the whole live DVD!

but don't download that. :wink:
Don't scare me like that again ! :shock:

I only saw the first line of yours and was coming to kick your ass but while getting up from the chair I accidentally rolled mousewheel and it showed the next line...

Oh well... Now when I'm up, I might as well go make some coffee and breakfast... :)

Orion

5th May 2006, 06:58

ah, don't worry RMJ . . . I saw his post and have watched him carefully, while shining my army boots :cheesy:

*kidding* . . . . . . about army boots :P

and with RMJ up and about . . . I will go to sleep now . . . .I leave you all in good hands 8)

:zzz:

RMJ

5th May 2006, 07:44

I am still not totally convinced that the TOTP Italy was without any sort of aid.Comparing other ML live performances that are a certainty, the totp Italy seems just too perfect . . . . too much discrepancy when compared to her other live performances. I am pretty certain she had aid . . . maybe my ears need a cleaning ( :arrowl: just opened myself up for ridicule, didn't I :lol: )
Bleh... Forgot to answer to this due to all the ass kicking...

But well, it's definately is live one. :)

Is there a tape on back, or is it echo, is it soundtrack artifact or what is it that you might hear on background I don't know... But the main voice that you hear comes from her beautiful little mouth, live. Everything matches between audio and video. 101% match. Even her hand's clapping against the mic is hearable.

And not to mention that this is one of the very few performances where she uses the more subtle ML coreography. Conincident ? After all the other details... I don't think so... Also notable that she also uses the more subtle coreography in other live ML performances (and couple other performances but usually with good reason, like in PopWorld she plays with the camera... ).

Orion

5th May 2006, 15:05

yeah, you can hear her hands clap but that is because she was singing but they might have had a CD playing in the background just to give her voice teh album sound (or closer to it) SOmetomes artists have their single playing in the background and their mic volume is made higher than the CD. It's all Lili's voice, and it's all beautiful, but I am not convinced that it was purely live. In time I willl be one way or the other.

btw, Orion does not ass kiss anybody . . . I was just joking around with that talk becasue you said you just woke up and we were bugging ternuc . . . so I said what I said to bug HIM . . . not to kiss you nasty ass biatch :lol: (OH . . . ass kickin :lol: . . . . . :cheesy:

I just thought about something::

Listen to her En COncert DVD performance of ML and compare the pitch of her voice etc . . . dancing or no dancing, it's just too different even when compared with other live performances.

EDIT::::::::::::

I just listened to TOTP ITALY and I must agree now that it is live . . . did I get mixed up with Pistoia concert . . . anyway I just did a comparison with the others and it IS her voice there. In my mind I had another performance that lingered. It is so obvious that it's her voice there *slaps forhead*

Now I want to figure out which one I was really thinking of :shock: haha, I was probably arguing with myself this whole time *moron overload* wa it probablty another totps? :?

RMJ

5th May 2006, 16:19

btw, Orion does not ass kiss anybody . . . I was just joking around with that talk becasue you said you just woke up and we were bugging ternuc . . . so I said what I said to bug HIM . . . not to kiss you nasty ass biatch :lol:
Hah, I know, I know. :) I just ment that I was so busy booking up flight ticket so I could go to kick Ternuc's ass that I forgot to reply to you. :)

Oh... And I wasn't just woke up... I was up all night. :P

EDIT::::::::::::

I just listened to TOTP ITALY and I must agree now that it is live . . . did I get mixed up with Pistoia concert . . . anyway I just did a comparison with the others and it IS her voice there. In my mind I had another performance that lingered. It is so obvious that it's her voice there *slaps forhead*

Now I want to figure out which one I was really thinking of :shock: haha, I was probably arguing with myself this whole time *moron overload*
If it comforts you even little bit, I knew all along that you must be mixing it with some other performance. :) Because if you knew and remember this performance, you'd know that it differs from others. It's clearly different. It's different because it's live. :)

But well, now when you have got it figure out, all is good again. :)

Orion

5th May 2006, 16:49

yeah, I think it was theTOTPs England maybe or something, because after I posted I went to check and it was clear as day, that it was live . . .

Thanks for going easy on me . . . others would have mocked and ridiculed :lol:

tern

6th May 2006, 04:14

No one will be kicking my ass. Not RMJ, not Orion, not any of you, so don't talk like that.

RMJ

6th May 2006, 09:54

Not even her ? Just think about it... How nice it would be. :lol:

Orion

7th May 2006, 01:38

No one will be kicking my ass. Not RMJ, not Orion, not any of you, so don't talk like that.

What posesses a guy to take that talk so seriously, I will never know . . . . unless . . . ternuc wasn't being serious above . . . .

kick his lame ass anyway, just for confusing me . . . .

Hey this remoids me of that "kick his ass" thread . . . . I dare you to meet me there :P

bracer028

10th June 2008, 22:19

alizee is lip syncing in that MJ performance and other ones.

the only one i notice that she didn't was the la isla bonita and her en concerto.

i so wish she doesn't lip sync. she is so much better than that.

AlphaDevil2

11th June 2008, 00:41

Well doing so is not an uncommon thing to do when an artist is in a TV studio and with tight scheduleing.

However there have been times when she has sung live in addition to her "en concert". Most recently though she has sung live for the French TV show Acoustic. Here she sung several songs live. The link to that show is [TV] Acoustic - TV5 Monde (2008-05-31) (http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?t=22362)

She also sang live at the 3 Les Enfoirés concerts she appeared in and there has been several other appearances where she sang live, such as Moi Lolita on the Top of the Pops in Italy.

Orion

11th June 2008, 00:59

ok guys I just merged the new thread ("Lip synching" created by bracer028 ) with this old one. . . enough threads on this subject :shock:

* Just remember that she is a pop star (not a rock star ;) ) and they most often lip-sync. . . Now, if she were to do it for a concert, then expect some repercussions, from the fans :shock:

edit:

here is another thread that might interest you guys: (not merged) (http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?t=13611)
How true is this? (http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?t=13611)
edit 2

I have merged this thread here also:
Does Alizée lip-sync? (http://www.alizee-forum.com/showthread.php?t=13307)

that's a total of 3 threads already merged!!! :shock: Well, at least we can say that it IS a very important aspect of her career, as far as her fans are concerned!

Brian01

11th June 2008, 05:35

yeah if she did lip sync in concert, people would get mad, but she doesnt, so its ok :)

Thank you for merging the threads Orion.

Anonymous

11th June 2008, 15:49

Yes, but not all the time. The whole lip synching thing was really getting me bummed out BIG TIME! It was all put to rest with the *Acoustic* TV5Monde Performance. Completely restored my faith. You should watch the whole performance in the Higher quality video and put it through some good headphones/speakers. ITS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!

Here are the links.. Rapidshare sucks I know but once you get them all downloaded its is absolutely 100% WORTH IT!
(You need all parts ... unrar part 1 and it unrars them all)
http://rapidshare.com/files/119082197/000__TV5MONDE_EUROP_31-05.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/119142554/000__TV5MONDE_EUROP_31-05.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/119145487/000__TV5MONDE_EUROP_31-05.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/119148587/000__TV5MONDE_EUROP_31-05.part4.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/119151588/000__TV5MONDE_EUROP_31-05.part5.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/119154456/000__TV5MONDE_EUROP_31-05.part6.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/119078651/000__TV5MONDE_EUROP_31-05.part7.rar

Orion

12th June 2008, 05:29

Fans know she has an angelic voice, and just want to be able to be entertained by her . . . we may get annoyed when we KNOW she can do this without any lip-syncing. I understand they all do it, and so it's really about not having to do it . . .

For TV, and if you are a pop star, most of the time they are forced to lip-sync. As far as "Acoustic" is concerned, I have deep questions as to whether some of those performances might have been borderline lip-sync (already explained why, in Acousitc thread pg 13).

Guess it's been discussed to death, but we have to accept it, knowing that she atleast does sing live also. Remember that with pop stars, it is all about image and sound being as close to the album as possible: most pop stars are entrapped in their music because they engineer songs too heavily . . . but I know that they ALL can do without it anyway due to the great voice they have. ie, Christina Auguilera . . .she is amazing live . . . her voice is simply magnificent.

Not caring for who has the better voice, I think that Lili, no matter how much engineering is put into her songs, she can perform all of them just nicely without the need for lip-syncing . . . < this is the essence of the matter in this discussion.

Predator Mario

14th June 2008, 13:26